Report: Joel Embiid's physical with Cleveland "did not go well"

[Fafnir]

4 of those 2nd round picks can turn into a lotto pick

I'm not even sure what this supposed to mean, you can't trade 4 second round picks for a lottery pick. Also the expected return on 4 2nd round draft picks isn't even a rotation player.

[LooseCannon]

How would you feel if doctors felt that his best-case scenario for staying healthy was missing games at a rate similar to Andrew Bogut?

[Donoghus]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

I think Sully took a physical at the combine, so everyone saw the results.  Embiid stayed away, and is keeping the results private.

Than no way the celts take the risk and move up to draft embiid. Dont even think they will take him at 6.

The 76rs though can afford to. They just have too many picks

So do the Celtics......

The celts have 2. The 76ers have like 6. 4 of those 2nd round picks can turn into a lotto pick

Based on what exchange?  I doubt 10 2nd round picks would yield a lottery pick, especially in this draft.

I'm not sure any amount of 2nd round picks would yield a lottery pick. 

[footey]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

Time to wake up from your nap, SL.  Embiid is not slipping to 6.

To clarify, I've been on the "Embiid is injured, I'd stay away" camp since pre-combine and lottery.  I'm biased, but not because I hope he falls to 6 for the Celtics.

And if he only lets Cleveland see the results, and they pick someone else, I think he falls to 5 at a minimum unless someone trades to get him.  Too much risk at the top to pick a player who may not be healthy, and the only information you have is that the only team who saw his medicals passed.

If Nerlens Noel can fall to 6 in a shallow draft, Embiid certainly can fall to 6 or beyond in a deep draft.

Maybe your right, but I feel GMs have a much higher regard for Embiid's upside as a 5 than they had for NN.  Night and day.

[Tr1boy]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

I think Sully took a physical at the combine, so everyone saw the results.  Embiid stayed away, and is keeping the results private.

Than no way the celts take the risk and move up to draft embiid. Dont even think they will take him at 6.

The 76rs though can afford to. They just have too many picks

So do the Celtics......

The celts have 2. The 76ers have like 6. 4 of those 2nd round picks can turn into a lotto pick

Based on what exchange?  I doubt 10 2nd round picks would yield a lottery pick, especially in this draft.

Not in past drafts. But in this one those 4 2nds = 10 to 14 pick easily imo

[CeltsAcumen]

He could also go to the Jazz.  Jazz have several bigs to take the majority of the workload until the back issue clears.  Emblid would not be rushed into the starting lineups and Utah could monitor his back.

IF the Celts had the 4th or 5th pick, yeah they might have a shot at him.

I am very concerned about Smart, Randle and Embiid.  One has no real position and his skills are not up to my liking the other two scream injury issues.

Celts need to draft a guy who can help now, even if he is not the top guy.

Aaron Gordon, that's my guy and I am sticking with it.  Dude is a beast and just needs to be taught how to use his skills and athleticism properly.

[Fafnir]

Not in past drafts. But in this one those 4 2nds = 10 to 14 pick easily imo

No way, just no way.

[byennie]

Maybe your right, but I feel GMs have a much higher regard for Embiid's upside as a 5 than they had for NN.  Night and day.

I agree, but by the same token an injured Noel in this draft might have slipped out of the lottery entirely, Sullinger style. I think the Noel vs Embiid and 2013 vs 2014 factor may just about even out in the end.

[CFAN38]

Ok this is a bit of a stretch and rich on conspiracy theory but what if.....


The Cavs are leaking that their physical did not go well to pressure the 76ers to trade with them? It has been reported that the 76ers really want Wiggins and have explored trading up to unsure getting him. It the 76ers are sure that Embiid is going #1 and if Fords reports that the Bucks are high on Parker then they have no reason to trade up. A bad physical now puts Wiggins in play at #1 and the 76ers are potentially left with with Embiid or Exum both are redundant to current players on their roster (MCW and Noel).

Could this leak force the 76ers to pay to move to #1 and then force embiid to fall to #3 where the Cavs could then still get him?

 

[Donoghus]

Not in past drafts. But in this one those 4 2nds = 10 to 14 pick easily imo

No way, just no way.

Agreed.

[Fafnir]

I don't think this sort of leak would increase the Cavs trade leverage.

[Rondo9]

Not in past drafts. But in this one those 4 2nds = 10 to 14 pick easily imo

No way, just no way.

Agreed.

Yeah no way those 4 2nd round picks turn into 10-14 picks.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Well okay, the draft would still have Wiggins, Parker and Exum going in the top 5 guarenteed if he dropped out.  Vonleh would almost certainly go top 5 in this scenario.  So we'd basically be betting that the Jazz or Magic would take Marcus Smart or Aaron Gordon over Embiid.  Seems unlikely, but it could happen I guess.  If he had to sit out a year, I would be still fine with it.  We just need to handle him with kid gloves

[Tr1boy]

Not in past drafts. But in this one those 4 2nds = 10 to 14 pick easily imo

No way, just no way.

Yes way. You get garry harris with the 10th or kj mcdaniel, napier, mcgary and int prospect

Which one would u pick?

[Roy H.]

Not in past drafts. But in this one those 4 2nds = 10 to 14 pick easily imo

No way, just no way.

Ditto.  If that was the case, you'd see a lot of teams buying second rounders right now, and Philly would have another lottery pick in its pocket.