Report: Joel Embiid's physical with Cleveland "did not go well"

[saltlover]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess. 

[LilRip]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

unless the back injury is worse than it really is, in which case his agent was right in not revealing the info.

i still can't see Embiid falling out of the top10, even if teams are picking blind. Some GM will bite. If everyone saw the red flags, he could drop all the way to say...#21?

[Tr1boy]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

[saltlover]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

I think Sully took a physical at the combine, so everyone saw the results.  Embiid stayed away, and is keeping the results private.

[footey]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

Time to wake up from your nap, SL.  Embiid is not slipping to 6. 

[footey]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Unless Tellum wants us to draft him. He and Danny have a good relationship, from what I have read.

[Rondo9]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

Time to wake up from your nap, SL.  Embiid is not slipping to 6.

Are you going to give a reason?

[Tr1boy]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

I think Sully took a physical at the combine, so everyone saw the results.  Embiid stayed away, and is keeping the results private.

Than no way the celts take the risk and move up to draft embiid. Dont even think they will take him at 6.

The 76rs though can afford to. They just have too many picks

[Rondo9]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

I think Sully took a physical at the combine, so everyone saw the results.  Embiid stayed away, and is keeping the results private.

Than no way the celts take the risk and move up to draft embiid. Dont even think they will take him at 6.

The 76rs though can afford to. They just have too many picks

So do the Celtics......

[saltlover]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

Time to wake up from your nap, SL.  Embiid is not slipping to 6.

To clarify, I've been on the "Embiid is injured, I'd stay away" camp since pre-combine and lottery.  I'm biased, but not because I hope he falls to 6 for the Celtics.

And if he only lets Cleveland see the results, and they pick someone else, I think he falls to 5 at a minimum unless someone trades to get him.  Too much risk at the top to pick a player who may not be healthy, and the only information you have is that the only team who saw his medicals passed.

If Nerlens Noel can fall to 6 in a shallow draft, Embiid certainly can fall to 6 or beyond in a deep draft.

[Tr1boy]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

I think Sully took a physical at the combine, so everyone saw the results.  Embiid stayed away, and is keeping the results private.

Than no way the celts take the risk and move up to draft embiid. Dont even think they will take him at 6.

The 76rs though can afford to. They just have too many picks

So do the Celtics......

The celts have 2. The 76ers have like 6. 4 of those 2nd round picks can turn into a lotto pick

[footey]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

Time to wake up from your nap, SL.  Embiid is not slipping to 6.

Are you going to give a reason?

Yes.  He is too talented for all of the first 5 teams to pass on him.  If his back issue is so bad that it can't be corrected with surgery, which is highly unlikely, then no one will draft him.  But what is the point of speculating on that? If the report is that his back is in the same category as Sully, wherein surgery will eventually be required, he might slip from 1, but seriously don't think he slips all the way to 6.  This guy is such a beast of a center, has so much upside, most teams would be willing to have him sit for a year to recover.  Including us, I hope.

[saltlover]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Unless Tellum wants us to draft him. He and Danny have a good relationship, from what I have read.

That's a lot of money he'd be costing his player if he strong-armed him from #2 overall to #6.

[byennie]

He may not fall to 6, but if this is for real, he's out of the top 3. Wiggins, Parker & Exum will go ahead of him, probably in that order. So now we're looking in Orlando and Utah's general direction. They both have young centers, so it could get interesting.

[footey]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

I think Sully took a physical at the combine, so everyone saw the results.  Embiid stayed away, and is keeping the results private.

Than no way the celts take the risk and move up to draft embiid. Dont even think they will take him at 6.

The 76rs though can afford to. They just have too many picks

So do the Celtics......

The celts have 2. The 76ers have like 6. 4 of those 2nd round picks can turn into a lotto pick

Based on what exchange?  I doubt 10 2nd round picks would yield a lottery pick, especially in this draft.