Kings are putting together a package for Rondo

[BballTim]

I just can't talk myself into the idea of a 5'9 guard being the centerpiece of a successful NBA team.

me neither.  But 20 year old Mclemore and two 1sts for a fringe all-star PG who can't shoot?... that's an absolute haul.

   When you're talking about draft picks who might turn out to be all-stars someday you refer to them as franchise cornerstones, but you refer to someone who's made 4 straight all-star games as a fringe all-star. You somehow reversed those definitions in your head.

With the amount of great PGs in the NBA I highly question him getting half that many for the rest of his career.

  I spent much of the offseason hearing about how Rondo was unlikely to make any more all-star games because the other point guards were so great. Now we're seeing threads about how Jordon Crawford has a shot at being an all-star. If you've been here since 2008 or so you'd have seen numerous posts about how Rondo will never be (fill in the blank) unless he greatly improves his jump shot and ft%, with (fill in the blank) starting out as "anything other than a below average pg" and progressing through above average, having a chance at being an all-star and so on.

  Every time Rondo surpasses the previous "unattainable level" the "Rondo will never" crowd just moves on to the next prediction like nothing happened. Rondo's been in the league for quite some time. If he was as bad as his detractors imagine they'd be saying "Rondo has never done" all the time instead of saying "Rondo's unlikely to ever do" about things he's already done multiple times.

Well, let's not ignore facts though. Rondo was an injury replacement in 2012 (Joe Johnson) and was voted in by the fans last year, which the fan voting being a glorified popularity contest. Let's not act as though Rondo is a sure fire all-star. Many questioned him even being on the team last year because our record was so poor.

He stays in the East and he deals with Williams, Irving, and Wall. Goes to the West and it gets worse with Paul, Curry, Lillard, Parker, and Westbrook.

  Rondo was injured during much of the abbreviated voting in 2012, that's why he wasn't on the roster to begin with. Claiming that you shouldn't count a player's all-star appearances if they're voted in as starters? Hilarious.

Good point... calling him a "fringe all-star" isn't appropriate.   We should be calling him an "injury prone fringe all-star"

  I mentioned this before, but you refer to someone who's made the last 4 all-star teams a fringe all-star, but you refer to draft picks who might be all-stars someday as franchise cornerstones. The terms you're using don't really mean what you think they do.

Good point.   We should refer to him as an "injury prone former all-star".

  Sure, because after every all-star game the players are technically former all-stars. You're heading towards accuracy.

[MBunge]

Rondo's a top 10 PG

Well, more like a top 5 PG in an era of some really great PGs.

And the thing to remember about Rondo is he's spent his entire career playing in a straight jacket with Doc's walk-it-up, grind-it-out offense that was entirely designed to get shots for KG and Pierce.  This is the first time in his career when Rondo's really going to be able to run a team like CP3 and other top point guards do.

Mike

In no particular order

Curry, parker, westbrook, cp3, williams, lillard, rose when healthy( if youre counting rondo when hes injured im counting rose) john wall.

So I have rondo at 8th.

John Wall?  JOHN WALL?

Mike

[Jailan34]

Rondo's a top 10 PG

Well, more like a top 5 PG in an era of some really great PGs.

And the thing to remember about Rondo is he's spent his entire career playing in a straight jacket with Doc's walk-it-up, grind-it-out offense that was entirely designed to get shots for KG and Pierce.  This is the first time in his career when Rondo's really going to be able to run a team like CP3 and other top point guards do.

Mike

In no particular order

Curry, parker, westbrook, cp3, williams, lillard, rose when healthy( if youre counting rondo when hes injured im counting rose) john wall.

So I have rondo at 8th.

John Wall?  JOHN WALL?

Mike

hes averaging 20-10 and is more athletic, bigger, stronger, better finisher than rondo.

[Rondohara]

Would be a dumb move for both teams, this rumor was created by someone who knows very little of the NBA. Horrid for the Celtics, would be a panic "Gerald Wallace has to go", I'm surprise some people were okay with this junk, but then again I remember some guys just want to see Rondo gone. Luckily none of those are in the front office.

Let's break down that fictional package:
Isiah Thomas: UFA
Picks: Unlikely to be "good" should be in the 18+ range. The ones thinking we'll get great picks here are a bit delusional, it would be a very slim chance.
McLemore: Dude is a bust, horrid shooting percentages for a guy who is supposed to be a "true shooter", one has to see that if he wasn't looking bad they wouldn't consider trading him (and maybe they aren't in real world), they would rather build around him and Cousins as a young core, way better then Rondo and the airhead Rudy Gay.
Thornton:  Overpaid (way less then Wallace, but still has Negative value)
Thompson: Horrid 4 year contract for a below mediocrity player. Negative value.

I'm kind of offended by this junk package (obviously it was just a rumor), there isn't all that desperation to get rid of Wallace, specially getting 2 other bad deals in return. An expiring and 3 picks (heck 2 if one of those were marginally good) would be better under the aforementioned scenario.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Pass.

An All-Star or a guy who's only a matter of time before becoming one are the only players we should trade Rondo for.

[action781]

Historically,the Team that gets the BEST player in a trade, wins out...so, No to this deal. You don't trade your All-Star player for multiple mediocre players...Unless your All-Star wants out.

Mmmm... Carmelo?  Dwight? ... Brooklyn? haha

[saltlover]

I don't understand the excitement of getting rid of Wallace.  Thompson's contract runs a year longer than Wallace's, and the cap savings in Wallace's final year is about $3.4 million once you include Thompson's trade kicker.  Thompson isn't anything special -- it could easily be argued that Wallace is the better player.  I suppose being tall and thick has its uses on a roster short of such players, but being owed $20 million the three seasons following this one is hardly a bargain.

I don't think it's a terrible trade if the picks are unprotected, and this year's is one of them.  But they owe a pick to Cleveland that is protected for several years, making two first rounders difficult to produce.  For instance, I don't think we can get their pick this year unless there's also something in the deal saying they get a pick from us next year if they have to send a pick to the Cavs (because they finish high enough to not have a top 10 pick), since they can't trade picks in consecutive future years.  Accordingly, I don't think there's a way to get very good picks from them.

[LarBrd33]

Rondo's a top 10 PG

Well, more like a top 5 PG in an era of some really great PGs.

And the thing to remember about Rondo is he's spent his entire career playing in a straight jacket with Doc's walk-it-up, grind-it-out offense that was entirely designed to get shots for KG and Pierce.  This is the first time in his career when Rondo's really going to be able to run a team like CP3 and other top point guards do.

Mike

In no particular order

Curry, parker, westbrook, cp3, williams, lillard, rose when healthy( if youre counting rondo when hes injured im counting rose) john wall.

So I have rondo at 8th.

John Wall?  JOHN WALL?

Mike

hes averaging 20-10 and is more athletic, bigger, stronger, better finisher than rondo.

I'm all for calling Rondo a top 10 PG, but admittedly some of the guys I had above Rondo have been pretty disappointing this season.  Irving and Parker haven't been putting up great stats.  Deron is just now coming on strong, but he's been injured.  Truthfully, if Rondo played 100% like he did early last year, he'd be 4th in the league statistically right now behind #1 - Chris Paul, #2 - Steph Curry and #3 - John Wall. 

Westbrook is coming on strong though.  He had a rough start to the season.  So far, the top 5 PG's (statistically) have been Paul, Curry, Wall, Eric Bledsoe and Michael-Carter Williams.  Yeah, I know... crazy.

It's still an absolutely loaded position, though.  A ton of parity.  Chris Paul is the undisputed King (27 EFF).  Curry is a bit behind him (24 EFF)... Then there is about 16 other point guards putting up between 16 and 20 EFF.  It's the easiest position in the league to fill:  Wall, Bledsoe, Carter-Williams, Westbrook, Dragic, Lawson, Holiday, Ellis, Lillard, Conley, Thomas, Lowry, Parker, Rubio, Jennings, Irving.   Add Deron, Rondo and Rose to that list.  Pretty much every team in the league has an effective "PG".

[SHAQATTACK]

We got something THEY need

We don't need to get rid  of Rondo.........

I think Rondo is happy at Boston,  happy with coach and sees his future at Boston.

It would have to be another star in his prime to get a trade out of DA

The stupid moronic Laker fans think we're going to trade Rondo and Hump for Gasol........LOL

They are so delusional ......Gasol is old and crippled ,  he isn't worth Hump .....much less Rondo......THEY at up the creek and are dreaming in Laker fantasy land .....their fate sealed with DH leaving and paying Kobe four times his worth .

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Another utterly useless Rondo thread. There's one every day....

[oldtype]

At the very least that's very tempting. Two first rounders, Thomas, Mclemore, and taking Wallace off our hands. Would depend on what year/what protection the picks were on of course, but I don't think we could possibly get a better deal for Rondo for now.

[PhoSita]

Point guard really is a loaded position these days.

Rondo is still a really nice player, but when I see guys like Isaiah Thomas and Jeff Teague putting up great numbers and leading productive offensive teams, it makes me wonder at the wisdom of investing too much in players at that position unless it's a player who regularly takes over games.

Rondo has the potential to take over games, which sets him apart from the Goran Dragics and Jeff Teagues of the world.  But an average game from Rondo probably isn't that much more valuable than what those guys give you, especially if your team is lacking in high volume scorers.

That's why since we're in rebuilding I think it makes sense for Ainge to be open to considering packages like the Kings package talked about in this thread (even if the 'rumor' is a bunch of bologna). 

All of that said, I really doubt a team is going to offer a package like this for Rondo.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Rondo's a top 10 PG

I only trust a handful including RR to do it in the playoffs. A healthy RR is a better defender than all of them too (when he's engaged he's one of the best in the game position doesn't matter).

Man, I hope RR comes back healthy (stays that way). I need him to show that he is underrated by most. People still think it was all the Big 3. Ugh!
Well, more like a top 5 PG in an era of some really great PGs.

And the thing to remember about Rondo is he's spent his entire career playing in a straight jacket with Doc's walk-it-up, grind-it-out offense that was entirely designed to get shots for KG and Pierce.  This is the first time in his career when Rondo's really going to be able to run a team like CP3 and other top point guards do.

Mike

In no particular order

Curry, parker, westbrook, cp3, williams, lillard, rose when healthy( if youre counting rondo when hes injured im counting rose) john wall.

So I have rondo at 8th.

John Wall?  JOHN WALL?

Mike

hes averaging 20-10 and is more athletic, bigger, stronger, better finisher than rondo.

I'm all for calling Rondo a top 10 PG, but admittedly some of the guys I had above Rondo have been pretty disappointing this season.  Irving and Parker haven't been putting up great stats.  Deron is just now coming on strong, but he's been injured.  Truthfully, if Rondo played 100% like he did early last year, he'd be 4th in the league statistically right now behind #1 - Chris Paul, #2 - Steph Curry and #3 - John Wall. 

Westbrook is coming on strong though.  He had a rough start to the season.  So far, the top 5 PG's (statistically) have been Paul, Curry, Wall, Eric Bledsoe and Michael-Carter Williams.  Yeah, I know... crazy.

It's still an absolutely loaded position, though.  A ton of parity.  Chris Paul is the undisputed King (27 EFF).  Curry is a bit behind him (24 EFF)... Then there is about 16 other point guards putting up between 16 and 20 EFF.  It's the easiest position in the league to fill:  Wall, Bledsoe, Carter-Williams, Westbrook, Dragic, Lawson, Holiday, Ellis, Lillard, Conley, Thomas, Lowry, Parker, Rubio, Jennings, Irving.   Add Deron, Rondo and Rose to that list.  Pretty much every team in the league has an effective "PG".

[Celtics4ever]

Looking at this source, it is hard to fathom that 11 pages were done off what is obviously a fan post and not an actual offer.

[PhoSita]

Looking at this source, it is hard to fathom that 11 pages were done off what is obviously a fan post and not an actual offer.

Heh, how long have you been posting here?