Kings are putting together a package for Rondo

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Historically,the Team that gets the BEST player in a trade, wins out...so, No to this deal. You don't trade your All-Star player for multiple mediocre players...Unless your All-Star wants out.

This has been talked about a lot here, but I think this is a fairly broken cliche at this point. Orlando and Denver won the Howard and Melo deals, respectively, both with packages of 'pieces', after their stars asked out and when they had less years on their deals than Rondo.

The Cs could certainly trade Rondo for a package of stuff and win -- especially in the long run -- as long as the package is sweet. And that's a pretty sweet package, assuming the picks are SAC's.

That said, that rumor hardly seems credible, though you can see why SAC would reach for a guy like Rajon.

[gpap]

Yeah, I agree with others that this seems too good to be true.

I don't doubt Sacramento would love to pair Rondo with Gay and Cousins, but to me, the alleged return makes it a borderline steal for the Celts (at least in my eyes.)

[fantankerous]

I only do this deal if there 2014 pick is involved. Not sure it can be bc Cleveland owns some rights to it.

Cleveland gets the pick if it's outside the top 12. Sac could trade the rights in the 1-12 range to us.

Can Sac trade the rights to picks 1-12 since it would put them in jeopardy of trading first round picks in multiple drafts?  The pick owed to Cle is protected 1-12 in 2014 and then 1-10 through 2017.

[Eddie20]

I just can't talk myself into the idea of a 5'9 guard being the centerpiece of a successful NBA team.

me neither.  But 20 year old Mclemore and two 1sts for a fringe all-star PG who can't shoot?... that's an absolute haul.

   When you're talking about draft picks who might turn out to be all-stars someday you refer to them as franchise cornerstones, but you refer to someone who's made 4 straight all-star games as a fringe all-star. You somehow reversed those definitions in your head.

With the amount of great PGs in the NBA I highly question him getting half that many for the rest of his career.

[BballTim]

Historically,the Team that gets the BEST player in a trade, wins out...so, No to this deal. You don't trade your All-Star player for multiple mediocre players...Unless your All-Star wants out.

This has been talked about a lot here, but I think this is a fairly broken cliche at this point. Orlando and Denver won the Howard and Melo deals, respectively, both with packages of 'pieces', after their stars asked out and when they had less years on their deals than Rondo.

  They "won" the trades in the sense that the other teams screwed up what they did with their hauls, not in the sense that the teams were better off with the new players than they were with the stars they traded.

[RJ87]

Also, no notable reporters have picked this up yet. If this was legit and a "source" was leaking info, you have to think someone fromthe ESPN hack squad would be all over it by now.

[hpantazo]

Wow, if true, that's a package comparable to what Denver got for Melo. You gotta do that.

[KG_ended_Bias]

I think people are missing the boat here. Could Rondo & Cousins exists? Who's team would it be? I would assume their would be plenty of fights between those 2, if not with each other the coaches!... As far as the trade though I would take McClemore, Jimmer & Thompson instead of Thomas & Thornton because I wouldn't wanna ruffle Crawford's feathers with a heir apparent starter from the look of a trade like that. Keep Crawford starting & Jimmer is more than a capable quality backup. And McClemore is a future star who can wait his turn until we find a suitor for A.B. now throw in 2 1st rounders even if Thompson is not in the deal & we still make out like fat rats.

[ScoobyDoo]

This would be a brilliant move by the GM of the Sacramento Kings and it also makes sense as to "why" they would put such an aggressive package together for Rondo.

Think about it.

1. Sacramento has had lottery pick after lottery pick after lottery pick the last 5-7 years. Where are they headed? The lottery...

2. Isaiah Thomas is a nice little point guard - I actually like him a lot. But he's probably nto a guy who will "lead you to the promised land".

3. Ben Mclemore could turn out well but you don't know. Meanwhile, good veteran off guards are generally available each year.

4. Two first round picks? Not a major issue - because they think with Rondo in hand those won't be as close to the lottery as people think.

5. Thompson and Thornton - decent role players - can be replaced.

So now we look at Sacramento after the trade:

Cousins / Aaron Gray
Carl Landry / Derrick Williams
Rudy Gay / Gerald Wallace
Gerald Wallace (For now)/ Quincy Acy
Rondo / Ray McCallum

Cousins, Gay and Rondo form an incredibly talented trio at very key positions to move forward with.   

From there, the moves to be a legit title contender are very simple:

1. Draft a good young PF or off guard with your draft pick this year

2. Veteran Free agent signing at whatever position you did not draft in #1.

3. Mid level and bi annual for veteran pieces.

That is a much, much better path forward than what they are currently looking at.

For the Celtics, the key question in this equation to me is, how good will Ben Mclemore be? And that is a matter of professional due diligence on the kid's skill as well as your gut feeling about his drive, heart and potential ceiling as an NBA player. If you feel that projects at an all star level this is a very hard deal to turn down.

Flip Bass, Lee and two first rounders, if you "had" to (since you just picked up two more from Sacramento) for Asik now.     

What do we look like?

Asik / Faverani / Iverson
Sully / Olynyk
Green / Bogans for now...
Bradley / McLemore / Thornton
Crawford / Isaiah Thomas /

Still have 9 first round picks, if you only traded
Lots of cap
A lot of good young talent.

if McLemore pans out:

Asik
Sully
Green
Mclemore
Crawford 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1290961

Didn't see this posted on the forums , sry if there is already a thread

Sac is prepared to offer Isah Thomas, Maclemore, Thompson and two 1st rd picks for Rondo

Thoughts?

Its a strong offer, but I am not completely sold on Maclmore, how good will he be?

You forgot to mention that they want to send Thorton too..

Isiah Thomas, Marcus Thorton, McLemore, Thompson and two first round picks.

Thats a pretty huge return for Rondo. However, I still say no. I think Rondo is much more important than to us than that package would be. We would just be the Kings 2.0 with two extra first rounders.

I don't know. Assuming no other trades, we'd still have Sully, Green, Bradley, KO, Crawford. Seems a bit better than the Kings.

[CelticG1]

Historically,the Team that gets the BEST player in a trade, wins out...so, No to this deal. You don't trade your All-Star player for multiple mediocre players...Unless your All-Star wants out.

This has been talked about a lot here, but I think this is a fairly broken cliche at this point. Orlando and Denver won the Howard and Melo deals, respectively, both with packages of 'pieces', after their stars asked out and when they had less years on their deals than Rondo.

The Cs could certainly trade Rondo for a package of stuff and win -- especially in the long run -- as long as the package is sweet. And that's a pretty sweet package, assuming the picks are SAC's.

That said, that rumor hardly seems credible, though you can see why SAC would reach for a guy like Rajon.

A lot of people are already lumpimg the KG Pierce trade into this category as well

[Kane3387]

Presently the kings have the sixth worst record in the nba.

[BballTim]

I just can't talk myself into the idea of a 5'9 guard being the centerpiece of a successful NBA team.

me neither.  But 20 year old Mclemore and two 1sts for a fringe all-star PG who can't shoot?... that's an absolute haul.

   When you're talking about draft picks who might turn out to be all-stars someday you refer to them as franchise cornerstones, but you refer to someone who's made 4 straight all-star games as a fringe all-star. You somehow reversed those definitions in your head.

With the amount of great PGs in the NBA I highly question him getting half that many for the rest of his career.

  I spent much of the offseason hearing about how Rondo was unlikely to make any more all-star games because the other point guards were so great. Now we're seeing threads about how Jordon Crawford has a shot at being an all-star. If you've been here since 2008 or so you'd have seen numerous posts about how Rondo will never be (fill in the blank) unless he greatly improves his jump shot and ft%, with (fill in the blank) starting out as "anything other than a below average pg" and progressing through above average, having a chance at being an all-star and so on.

  Every time Rondo surpasses the previous "unattainable level" the "Rondo will never" crowd just moves on to the next prediction like nothing happened. Rondo's been in the league for quite some time. If he was as bad as his detractors imagine they'd be saying "Rondo has never done" all the time instead of saying "Rondo's unlikely to ever do" about things he's already done multiple times.

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Historically,the Team that gets the BEST player in a trade, wins out...so, No to this deal. You don't trade your All-Star player for multiple mediocre players...Unless your All-Star wants out.

This has been talked about a lot here, but I think this is a fairly broken cliche at this point. Orlando and Denver won the Howard and Melo deals, respectively, both with packages of 'pieces', after their stars asked out and when they had less years on their deals than Rondo.

The Cs could certainly trade Rondo for a package of stuff and win -- especially in the long run -- as long as the package is sweet. And that's a pretty sweet package, assuming the picks are SAC's.

That said, that rumor hardly seems credible, though you can see why SAC would reach for a guy like Rajon.

A lot of people are already lumpimg the KG Pierce trade into this category as well

Well... that deal's a very distant cousin. The Pau Gasol to LA deal is a 1st cousin, and another example of the cliche not really working.

[Fafnir]

This is the sort of trade that Danny would do for Rondo. Blue Chip prospect + draft picks + cap relief.

I haven't seen anything of Maclemore since his time in Kansas so I'm not sure how I feel about him. He can't be a bust if you make this move.