Kings are putting together a package for Rondo

[Eddie20]

I just can't talk myself into the idea of a 5'9 guard being the centerpiece of a successful NBA team.

me neither.  But 20 year old Mclemore and two 1sts for a fringe all-star PG who can't shoot?... that's an absolute haul.

   When you're talking about draft picks who might turn out to be all-stars someday you refer to them as franchise cornerstones, but you refer to someone who's made 4 straight all-star games as a fringe all-star. You somehow reversed those definitions in your head.

With the amount of great PGs in the NBA I highly question him getting half that many for the rest of his career.

  I spent much of the offseason hearing about how Rondo was unlikely to make any more all-star games because the other point guards were so great. Now we're seeing threads about how Jordon Crawford has a shot at being an all-star. If you've been here since 2008 or so you'd have seen numerous posts about how Rondo will never be (fill in the blank) unless he greatly improves his jump shot and ft%, with (fill in the blank) starting out as "anything other than a below average pg" and progressing through above average, having a chance at being an all-star and so on.

  Every time Rondo surpasses the previous "unattainable level" the "Rondo will never" crowd just moves on to the next prediction like nothing happened. Rondo's been in the league for quite some time. If he was as bad as his detractors imagine they'd be saying "Rondo has never done" all the time instead of saying "Rondo's unlikely to ever do" about things he's already done multiple times.

Well, let's not ignore facts though. Rondo was an injury replacement in 2012 (Joe Johnson) and was voted in by the fans last year, which the fan voting being a glorified popularity contest. Let's not act as though Rondo is a sure fire all-star. Many questioned him even being on the team last year because our record was so poor.

He stays in the East and he deals with Williams, Irving, and Wall. Goes to the West and it gets worse with Paul, Curry, Lillard, Parker, and Westbrook.

[Mikedmx6]

I really do not want to lose rondo whatsoever, I want to build around him.. I refuse to sit back n believe these first round picks are going to save out franchise.. Draft picks are so over rated it's insane..

Please if this went down this is full 5 yr rebuild mode and start from scratch. Means ainge or someone really doesn't like rondo cause to not build around and him start from scratch says alot

[obnoxiousmime]

This offer is too good to be true which leads me to believe it's false. Ainge would have jumped all over this immediately.

I know we all love Rondo but you're not going to get a better offer than this, especially since Wallace's deal is included.

[Kane3387]

@ZachLowe_NBA

@celticsblog @Aykis16 Nothing to that, for now, especially since SAC for now can't trade a 1st-round pick till '19.



--- Lowe on the rumored trade.  We should really stop posting RealGM links in my opinion.

 I think everyone already knew the protection surrounding the pick.

Sacramento's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-12 in 2014, 1-10 in 2015, 1-10 in 2016 or 1-10 in 2017; if Sacramento has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Cleveland by 2017, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished)

However, this doesn't mean that a potential deal would be dead. It simply means that the language needs to be changed. For example, swapping picks with Sacramento in 2 of the next 3 years, which obviously is predicated on if the pick goes to Cleveland or not, and a 1st rd pick in 2019 is still a great offer.

Don't think a swap is worth it but I understand what you're saying.

[DavorCroatiaFan]

After a little fun with trade machine...would anyone do this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kv2bxnt

BOS: out- Rondo, Wallace, Brooks, Pressey to SAC, Humphries, Lee to NYK
BOS: in - McLemore, Thomas, Asik, Stoudamire, Kings #1 2017, Knicks #1 2018

HOU: out- Asik to BOS
HOU: in - Shumpert, Fredette, Thompson

SAC: out- McLemore, Thomas, 2017 #1 to BOS, Thompson, Fredette to HOU, Thornton, 2019 to NYK
SAC: in- Rondo, Wallace, Brooks, Pressey

NYK: out- Stoudamire, 2018 #1 to BOS, Shumpert to HOU
NYK: in- Humphries,Lee, Thornton, Kings 2019 #1

Boston gets its future SG, starting C, solid PG, 2 firsts and gets rid of the Wallace and Lee deals. 

Houston gets young stud Shumpert and solid backup C in thompson

Sacramento gets Rondo

New York gets rid of Stoudamire contract

Our roster:
Crawford / Thomas
Bradley / McLemore
Green / Bogans
Sullinger / Bass / Ollynk
Asik / Stoudamire / Faverani
+6 extra first round draft picks

Imagine at the trade deadline Minnesota is out of the playoff picture.

trade 2: Sullinger, Bass, Bogans expiring and 3 first round picks for Love

At next deadline Green, Bradley and 3 first round picks for Durant.

C's 2015 roster:

Crawford / Thomas
McLemore / 2014 pick
Durant / 2014 other pick
Love / Olynyk
Asik / Faverani

[sofutomygaha]

Sofu:

It ought to be a crushing defensive team, that's for sure. There are similarities to the Pacers, though I wouldn't take them too far because, by law, "X is a poor man's Y" statements are now over.

Not following the "X" / "Y" comments - please elaborate.

I mean to say that I'm resisting the temptation to rattle off lazy comparisions of the form "Jeff Green is a poor man's Paul George," "Omer Asik is a poor man's Roy Hibbert," or "Jared Sullinger is a poor man's David West." It's been used so often as a prop for terrible arguments and so rarely to any useful effect. I am satirically referencing its banishment.

[Moranis]

I get why Sacto wants Rondo and I'm sure they are taking on Wallace to help entice Boston, but that trade would leave them without a single SG on the roster.  I would think that it would make more sense with Lee and Landry also being added.

So

Lee, Wallace, Rondo

for

Thornton, Landry, Thompson, McLemore, Thomas, 2 firsts

Bass and Outlaw could also be added if they wanted Bass to replace Landry.


Now that is a bunch of salary for Boston 4 years from now, but is less salary this year, next year, and the year after (assuming Rondo re-signs) so I can see the financial motivation even with the extra years.

I think that trade sets Boston up quite nicely as well with or without the Bass/Outlaw part of the trade (I have included Bass and Outlaw in the trade).

PG - Thomas, Crawford
SG - Bradley, Thornton, McLemore
SF - Green, Outlaw, Thornton
PF - Sullinger, Thompson, Landry
C - Olynyk, Humphries, Faverani

I would expect that Boston might then trade Bradley with Humphries and one of the extra picks to try and bring in a big man. 

[sofutomygaha]

After a little fun with trade machine...would anyone do this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kv2bxnt

WOW dude. That is some serious trade machine artistry. It's going to take me the rest of the afternoon just to soak this in.

[SHAQATTACK]

Getting rid of the bag of poop Wallace contract is very tempting  ..

We need unprotected picks

If the end goal is to get our OWN center , then I'm more  on board

Rather bring Cousins here.


We have the point guard we need

We need to keep Rondo and find a GOOD Center .....dump bass, hump and Wallace and Crawford.


Unless this trade leads to. direct  trade to  land a Big Center player, like Howard, Hibbert , etc....then I'm not for it ......

We need the BIG guy to build around ......Rondo helps us keep him....

[Birdman]

I do it!! Hate to see Rondo go but that would be hard to pass on..also I think Rondo really needs great players around him to make him great..don't know on a rebuilding team like we are

[Eja117]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1290961

Didn't see this posted on the forums , sry if there is already a thread

Sac is prepared to offer Isah Thomas, Maclemore, Thorton,Thompson and two 1st rd picks for Rondo and Wallace

Thoughts?

Its a strong offer, but I am not completely sold on Maclmore, how good will he be?

That is an exceptionally strong offer.  We send a horrid contract, and a guy coming off an ACL injury who is likely to want a lot of money and get a very good package in return.  It's kinda too good to be true. The Bulls would kill to be able to go back in time and get this. When Mclemore is looking like the next Bradley Beal this would be very good. He just is going to have a hard time begging for shots with Rudy Gay around.

A guard rotation of IT, Crawford, McLemore, and Bradley is very very good.  Put all those picks up front with Sully, KO, and Green and we're in business. It puts us in a very strong position to be able to deal for things like we did last time.

[aporel#18]

Until Rondo is back 100%, expect a lot of GMs to make lowball offers for Rondo. This proposed trade isn't that, so I concur in that it doesn't look legit. In fact, that package is very very good. I still wouldn't trade Rondo, but that group of players+picks is close to fair value for him , albeit like someone said, those picks from a Rondo+Cousins team wouldn't be that good.

In fact, I think this period where Rondo isn't back on the court will be very interesting, because lowball offers for Rondo could engage conversations which lead to real trades. I hope this rebuilding process can be really short.

[SparzWizard]

Nope. We want Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and DeMarcus Cousins.

Wait a sec...

[BballTim]

I just can't talk myself into the idea of a 5'9 guard being the centerpiece of a successful NBA team.

me neither.  But 20 year old Mclemore and two 1sts for a fringe all-star PG who can't shoot?... that's an absolute haul.

   When you're talking about draft picks who might turn out to be all-stars someday you refer to them as franchise cornerstones, but you refer to someone who's made 4 straight all-star games as a fringe all-star. You somehow reversed those definitions in your head.

With the amount of great PGs in the NBA I highly question him getting half that many for the rest of his career.

  I spent much of the offseason hearing about how Rondo was unlikely to make any more all-star games because the other point guards were so great. Now we're seeing threads about how Jordon Crawford has a shot at being an all-star. If you've been here since 2008 or so you'd have seen numerous posts about how Rondo will never be (fill in the blank) unless he greatly improves his jump shot and ft%, with (fill in the blank) starting out as "anything other than a below average pg" and progressing through above average, having a chance at being an all-star and so on.

  Every time Rondo surpasses the previous "unattainable level" the "Rondo will never" crowd just moves on to the next prediction like nothing happened. Rondo's been in the league for quite some time. If he was as bad as his detractors imagine they'd be saying "Rondo has never done" all the time instead of saying "Rondo's unlikely to ever do" about things he's already done multiple times.

Well, let's not ignore facts though. Rondo was an injury replacement in 2012 (Joe Johnson) and was voted in by the fans last year, which the fan voting being a glorified popularity contest. Let's not act as though Rondo is a sure fire all-star. Many questioned him even being on the team last year because our record was so poor.

He stays in the East and he deals with Williams, Irving, and Wall. Goes to the West and it gets worse with Paul, Curry, Lillard, Parker, and Westbrook.

  Rondo was injured during much of the abbreviated voting in 2012, that's why he wasn't on the roster to begin with. Claiming that you shouldn't count a player's all-star appearances if they're voted in as starters? Hilarious.

[LarBrd33]

I just can't talk myself into the idea of a 5'9 guard being the centerpiece of a successful NBA team.

me neither.  But 20 year old Mclemore and two 1sts for a fringe all-star PG who can't shoot?... that's an absolute haul.

   When you're talking about draft picks who might turn out to be all-stars someday you refer to them as franchise cornerstones, but you refer to someone who's made 4 straight all-star games as a fringe all-star. You somehow reversed those definitions in your head.

With the amount of great PGs in the NBA I highly question him getting half that many for the rest of his career.

  I spent much of the offseason hearing about how Rondo was unlikely to make any more all-star games because the other point guards were so great. Now we're seeing threads about how Jordon Crawford has a shot at being an all-star. If you've been here since 2008 or so you'd have seen numerous posts about how Rondo will never be (fill in the blank) unless he greatly improves his jump shot and ft%, with (fill in the blank) starting out as "anything other than a below average pg" and progressing through above average, having a chance at being an all-star and so on.

  Every time Rondo surpasses the previous "unattainable level" the "Rondo will never" crowd just moves on to the next prediction like nothing happened. Rondo's been in the league for quite some time. If he was as bad as his detractors imagine they'd be saying "Rondo has never done" all the time instead of saying "Rondo's unlikely to ever do" about things he's already done multiple times.

Well, let's not ignore facts though. Rondo was an injury replacement in 2012 (Joe Johnson) and was voted in by the fans last year, which the fan voting being a glorified popularity contest. Let's not act as though Rondo is a sure fire all-star. Many questioned him even being on the team last year because our record was so poor.

He stays in the East and he deals with Williams, Irving, and Wall. Goes to the West and it gets worse with Paul, Curry, Lillard, Parker, and Westbrook.

  Rondo was injured during much of the abbreviated voting in 2012, that's why he wasn't on the roster to begin with. Claiming that you shouldn't count a player's all-star appearances if they're voted in as starters? Hilarious.

Good point... calling him a "fringe all-star" isn't appropriate.   We should be calling him an "injury prone fringe all-star"