The Celtic-Clipper trade talk (merged) - Clippers back out.

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I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

youre a Clippers fan? right

do you even have to ask? you're welcome for the information, btw. just know that rivers isn't the difference maker between paul leaving and staying, and that the clippers talking to shaw and hollins is REAL, no a bluff.

Who cares if it isn't a bluff.  The clippers should hire who ever your gm / owner thinks is the best fit.  But just because you SAY that the clippers pursuit of Doc isn't tied to CP3 staying with the LA clippers doesn't make is so.

and just because you think the clippers entire future rides on doc rivers doesn't make it so, not even remotely close

I don't think anyone is even saying that lol

I certainly didn't say that. 

[RJ87]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

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the fact that cp3 hasn't signed an extention up to date flies in the face of any thinking that cp3 resigning to the clips is a done deal, let them hire shaw/hollins and see what happens

I don't really care what happens with the Clippers.  Hire whoever they want.  If they think DA is desperate to get rid of Doc they are wrong.  WE are rebuilding at this point.  If Doc leaves or Doc stays it doesn't have the same impact as the coach selection for the clippers has.

If Doc / KG go there I will probably watch them more on tv than I do now (I live in LA).  But either way I don't care about the clippers. 

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the fact that cp3 hasn't signed an extention up to date flies in the face of any thinking that cp3 resigning to the clips is a done deal, let them hire shaw/hollins and see what happens

I don't really care what happens with the Clippers.  Hire whoever they want.  If they think DA is desperate to get rid of Doc they are wrong.  WE are rebuilding at this point.  If Doc leaves or Doc stays it doesn't have the same impact as the coach selection for the clippers has.

If Doc / KG go there I will probably watch them more on tv than I do now (I live in LA).  But either way I don't care about the clippers.

well said.  It's my firm belief that if this falls apart Doc will be back next year whether the Celtics run it back or try to rebuild on the fly.  And I'll be happy to have him.

I doubt they could set up a similar scenario anywhere else, unless Doc agreed to be Flip Saunders assistant in Minny and KG held his nose and agreed to go back there (followed by Paul Pierce, of course).  I think that would be an excellent team, Pekovic, KG and Love as bigs, Rubio, Kirilenko, Pierce.....We get Derrick Williams and pick #9.

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the fact that cp3 hasn't signed an extention up to date flies in the face of any thinking that cp3 resigning to the clips is a done deal, let them hire shaw/hollins and see what happens

I don't really care what happens with the Clippers.  Hire whoever they want.  If they think DA is desperate to get rid of Doc they are wrong.  WE are rebuilding at this point.  If Doc leaves or Doc stays it doesn't have the same impact as the coach selection for the clippers has.

If Doc / KG go there I will probably watch them more on tv than I do now (I live in LA).  But either way I don't care about the clippers.

Does anybody in LA care about the Clippers?

[CT32]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

I think that this is the first time in his career that he's paired with a young superstar in blake, in a large market. He left that franchise cause they were more focused on rebuilding and saving money. That's not the case with the clippers. If this deal doesn't go through, the clippers still get a new coach that cp3 likes, along with better developed dj, bg, and bledsoe. Completely different situation than in new orleans.

[winsomme]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

Also, I'm not sure how this got focused on CP needing Doc. The big reason for Doc going to LA is to bring KG along. Doc may not mean that much to CP but there is no question that he means a lot to KG and would be big part of him waiving his no trade clause...

[winsomme]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

I think that this is the first time in his career that he's paired with a young superstar in blake, in a large market. He left that franchise cause they were more focused on rebuilding and saving money. That's not the case with the clippers. If this deal doesn't go through, the clippers still get a new coach that cp3 likes, along with better developed dj, bg, and bledsoe. Completely different situation than in new orleans.

But not a completely different situation than last year in which you did worse in the playoffs than the year before...CP wants to be on a contender and that team you have now is not a contender.

[CT32]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

I think that this is the first time in his career that he's paired with a young superstar in blake, in a large market. He left that franchise cause they were more focused on rebuilding and saving money. That's not the case with the clippers. If this deal doesn't go through, the clippers still get a new coach that cp3 likes, along with better developed dj, bg, and bledsoe. Completely different situation than in new orleans.

But not a completely different situation than last year in which you did worse in the playoffs than the year before...CP wants to be on a contender and that team you have now is not a contender.

so Doc and a 37 year old KG (who we don't even know will survive next season) are gonna make the clipps a contender? getting hollins and improving DJ won't do that?

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CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

Also, I'm not sure how this got focused on CP needing Doc. The big reason for Doc going to LA is to bring KG along. Doc may not mean that much to CP but there is no question that he means a lot to KG and would be big part of him waiving his no trade clause...

They are saying it because it's been said and put out there in even just the most recent article on all this, here by Marc Stein and Ramona Shelburne from ESPN LA:

The Clippers, meanwhile, believe that landing Rivers would guarantee that star guard Chris Paul re-signs with the team when he becomes a free agent July 1. The Clippers would also then still have Bledsoe as a trade chip to pursue additional roster upgrades to ensure Paul's signature on a new contract.

One side concern for the Clippers, though, is the prospect of the Denver Nuggets hiring either Shaw or Hollins for their head coaching vacancy and robbbing L.A. of one of its preferred fallback choices. Shaw and Hollins have interviews scheduled with the Nuggets this week.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9397095&src=desktop

[winsomme]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

I think that this is the first time in his career that he's paired with a young superstar in blake, in a large market. He left that franchise cause they were more focused on rebuilding and saving money. That's not the case with the clippers. If this deal doesn't go through, the clippers still get a new coach that cp3 likes, along with better developed dj, bg, and bledsoe. Completely different situation than in new orleans.

But not a completely different situation than last year in which you did worse in the playoffs than the year before...CP wants to be on a contender and that team you have now is not a contender.

so Doc and a 37 year old KG (who we don't even know will survive next season) are gonna make the clipps a contender? getting hollins and improving DJ won't do that?

Um, yeah. That's why CP wants the deal to happen. You can't even keep Jordan on the floor. He got benched. Just look at their stats, man. KG makes players around him better.

[CT32]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

I think that this is the first time in his career that he's paired with a young superstar in blake, in a large market. He left that franchise cause they were more focused on rebuilding and saving money. That's not the case with the clippers. If this deal doesn't go through, the clippers still get a new coach that cp3 likes, along with better developed dj, bg, and bledsoe. Completely different situation than in new orleans.

But not a completely different situation than last year in which you did worse in the playoffs than the year before...CP wants to be on a contender and that team you have now is not a contender.

a new coach makes a huge difference with this squad

[winsomme]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

Also, I'm not sure how this got focused on CP needing Doc. The big reason for Doc going to LA is to bring KG along. Doc may not mean that much to CP but there is no question that he means a lot to KG and would be big part of him waiving his no trade clause...

They are saying it because it's been said and put out there in even just the most recent article on all this, here by Marc Stein and Ramona Shelburne from ESPN LA:

The Clippers, meanwhile, believe that landing Rivers would guarantee that star guard Chris Paul re-signs with the team when he becomes a free agent July 1. The Clippers would also then still have Bledsoe as a trade chip to pursue additional roster upgrades to ensure Paul's signature on a new contract.

One side concern for the Clippers, though, is the prospect of the Denver Nuggets hiring either Shaw or Hollins for their head coaching vacancy and robbbing L.A. of one of its preferred fallback choices. Shaw and Hollins have interviews scheduled with the Nuggets this week.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9397095&src=desktop

But that also includes KG....There's no "just Doc" deal on the table.

[CT32]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

I think that this is the first time in his career that he's paired with a young superstar in blake, in a large market. He left that franchise cause they were more focused on rebuilding and saving money. That's not the case with the clippers. If this deal doesn't go through, the clippers still get a new coach that cp3 likes, along with better developed dj, bg, and bledsoe. Completely different situation than in new orleans.

But not a completely different situation than last year in which you did worse in the playoffs than the year before...CP wants to be on a contender and that team you have now is not a contender.

so Doc and a 37 year old KG (who we don't even know will survive next season) are gonna make the clipps a contender? getting hollins and improving DJ won't do that?

Um, yeah. That's why CP wants the deal to happen. You can't even keep Jordan on the floor. He got benched. Just look at their stats, man. KG makes players around him better.

where did cp3 himself say that he wants the deal to happen

again, if cp3 said that he wants doc and kg, management would take both terry and lee, and probably give bledsoe to you guys. the clippers not being desperate tells me that cp3 said no such thing, and that the earlier rumors that he likes hollins is again shown

[RJ87]

CT32, I wanna give you some food for thought:

Chris Paul has already left one NBA franchise because he felt they weren't willing to make the moves to give him a chance to win. Let's say the Clippers pull out of this deal. They not only pass on Doc, but also a serious roster upgrade in KG.

What happens when CP3 starts his free agency tour, and meets with Daryl "Wonderkid" Morey & Coach McHale in Houston or Coach Carlisle & Mark "Deep Pockets" Cuban in Dallas and they pitch him on being willing to make those big moves. Do you really think he doesn't at least consider it?

I think that this is the first time in his career that he's paired with a young superstar in blake, in a large market. He left that franchise cause they were more focused on rebuilding and saving money. That's not the case with the clippers. If this deal doesn't go through, the clippers still get a new coach that cp3 likes, along with better developed dj, bg, and bledsoe. Completely different situation than in new orleans.

But not a completely different situation than last year in which you did worse in the playoffs than the year before...CP wants to be on a contender and that team you have now is not a contender.

so Doc and a 37 year old KG (who we don't even know will survive next season) are gonna make the clipps a contender? getting hollins and improving DJ won't do that?

Make no mistake about, KG - even at 37 - is a far superior player than Deandre. Unless Deandre magically developes an 18-foot jumpshot to create better floor spacing, transforms into a game-changing defensive force, and is able to be played in the fourth quarter,  you're asking a heck of a lot from him. Deandre doesn't quite have the BBIQ to make that kind of leap.

Look up their playoff stats and defensive metrics from the past 2 playoffs alone, and with a straight face say he isn't a major upgrade.