The Celtic-Clipper trade talk (merged) - Clippers back out.

[csfansince60s]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

[CT32]

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

Actually you are wrong on some things. Let me pick it apart:

If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape.

The Clippers aren't in great shape. They were a 1st round out last year. They have a couple of (assumed) late 1st rounder picks and one expiring contract. If they do sign CP3 to a max deal they will be over the cap so their financial flexibility isn't great.  They are in a very volatile stage where the fate of the next 5 years of their franchise is up in the air while Paul decides if he wants to bail to Atlanta/Dallas/Houston with D12. Great isn't the word I'd use. Interesting maybe.

The Clippers have all of the leverage here

That is just a silly statement. The Celtics have assets the Clippers want. Making this trade puts LAC in the conversation for top team in the West. Need I restate the 1st round out from last year? Boston on the other hand either rebuilds...or as reports suggest, rebuild. We're assuming base on reports that either KG/Doc go or they retire/quit. While it would be nice to have some assets for them I'm not sure how much I think of DJ and a late round 1st next year. The leverage isn't as one sided as you make it out to be.

cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not

I don't know if you're right or wrong on this one but I suspect you don't know what you're talking about. Do you know CP3? This statement leads me to believe you're just instigating.

I'm not one to forecast the future and proclaim it as gospel and I dislike when other people do it as well.

I don't understand what you guys are angry about.

We're angry because our team is falling apart and we're fans. We're also angry because we feel like we might get fleeced and have to watch a bad team for a while as a result. Hope I cleared that up for you.

Nope, clippers were a first round exit last season because of no system. That's where the new head coach comes in. He also helps DJ develop, because he was the weakest link in that chain last season.

Just about EVERY SINGLE source from the clippers has hinted that cp3 IS staying. Paul's hinted it. He basically said that if he could, he'd haev signed that new deal a while ago.

The clippers have odom's 8 mil off the books this year, and carons next. They have a nice trading piece in bledsoe. Blake is signed to a 5 year extension, and cp3 soon to follow. With a new coach and better developed dj and blake, they're in pretty darn good shape.

okay and let me rephrase something that I said earlier "why are you angry at the clippers for playing their cards right?" They have nothing to lose here, as they get to keep their assets and hire a good coach if this thing doesn't happen. You guys should be mad at ainge for quickly saying bledsoe isn't required in the trade. Just by him saying that, it appears the celtics ARE the more desperate team.

Aren't those same "sources" also saying that cp3 wants to team up with Howard? Last time I checked, the clippers don't have the cap space for both.

no, those "sources" are chris broussard. These sources are people actually from and close to the clipper organization

[CT32]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

[j804]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

youre a Clippers fan? right

[Chief Macho]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

why are they doing it then?  if the clippers can just go sign another coach and forget about kg,  why don't they?  they could keep this prodigy jordon and not give up picks and all the cash rivers would demand. 

[csfansince60s]

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

Actually you are wrong on some things. Let me pick it apart:

If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape.

The Clippers aren't in great shape. They were a 1st round out last year. They have a couple of (assumed) late 1st rounder picks and one expiring contract. If they do sign CP3 to a max deal they will be over the cap so their financial flexibility isn't great.  They are in a very volatile stage where the fate of the next 5 years of their franchise is up in the air while Paul decides if he wants to bail to Atlanta/Dallas/Houston with D12. Great isn't the word I'd use. Interesting maybe.

The Clippers have all of the leverage here

That is just a silly statement. The Celtics have assets the Clippers want. Making this trade puts LAC in the conversation for top team in the West. Need I restate the 1st round out from last year? Boston on the other hand either rebuilds...or as reports suggest, rebuild. We're assuming base on reports that either KG/Doc go or they retire/quit. While it would be nice to have some assets for them I'm not sure how much I think of DJ and a late round 1st next year. The leverage isn't as one sided as you make it out to be.

cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not

I don't know if you're right or wrong on this one but I suspect you don't know what you're talking about. Do you know CP3? This statement leads me to believe you're just instigating.

I'm not one to forecast the future and proclaim it as gospel and I dislike when other people do it as well.

I don't understand what you guys are angry about.

We're angry because our team is falling apart and we're fans. We're also angry because we feel like we might get fleeced and have to watch a bad team for a while as a result. Hope I cleared that up for you.

Nope, clippers were a first round exit last season because of no system. That's where the new head coach comes in. He also helps DJ develop, because he was the weakest link in that chain last season.

Just about EVERY SINGLE source from the clippers has hinted that cp3 IS staying. Paul's hinted it. He basically said that if he could, he'd haev signed that new deal a while ago.

The clippers have odom's 8 mil off the books this year, and carons next. They have a nice trading piece in bledsoe. Blake is signed to a 5 year extension, and cp3 soon to follow. With a new coach and better developed dj and blake, they're in pretty darn good shape.

okay and let me rephrase something that I said earlier "why are you angry at the clippers for playing their cards right?" They have nothing to lose here, as they get to keep their assets and hire a good coach if this thing doesn't happen. You guys should be mad at ainge for quickly saying bledsoe isn't required in the trade. Just by him saying that, it appears the celtics ARE the more desperate team.

Aren't those same "sources" also saying that cp3 wants to team up with Howard? Last time I checked, the clippers don't have the cap space for both.

More disinformation from LaLa Clipperland. Just like the Hollins and Shaw crap.

Lakers will NEVER help the Clippers in a trade. NEVER.

[Chief Macho]

[dang],  i didn't realize i was arguing with a clippers fan.  i'm surprised they know how to use the internet.

[CT32]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

youre a Clippers fan? right

do you even have to ask? you're welcome for the information, btw. just know that rivers isn't the difference maker between paul leaving and staying, and that the clippers talking to shaw and hollins is REAL, no a bluff.

[csfansince60s]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

why are they doing it then?  if the clippers can just go sign another coach and forget about kg,  why don't they?  they could keep this prodigy jordon and not give up picks and all the cash rivers would demand.

+1...the most logical stuff I have heard in this thread (cause it echoes what I said  )

[esel1000]

@ramonashelburne: Clippers still feel Boston asking for too much and won't "get taken advantage of," source says.

Delusional.

That's a joke

[CT32]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

why are they doing it then?  if the clippers can just go sign another coach and forget about kg,  why don't they?  they could keep this prodigy jordon and not give up picks and all the cash rivers would demand.

cause they have an opportunity to get kg and doc for dj and a pick (2 assets that they need to put time and effort into developing). we're okay either way. now, if the celtics are really the ones calling the shots here, why was it that they couldn't even get bledsoe into the trade? why is it that they're offering their precious kg and doc for an overpaid center and a crappy 1st round pick? Cause Ainge is effin desperate. He's backed himself into a corner. not that hard to admit.

and to answer your question, the clippers ARE doing that. They're doing 2nd interviews with very REAL and good coaching candidates. It's the front offices job to attempt ALL options, including this celtics option.

[SHAQATTACK]

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

Actually you are wrong on some things. Let me pick it apart:

If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape.

The Clippers aren't in great shape. They were a 1st round out last year. They have a couple of (assumed) late 1st rounder picks and one expiring contract. If they do sign CP3 to a max deal they will be over the cap so their financial flexibility isn't great.  They are in a very volatile stage where the fate of the next 5 years of their franchise is up in the air while Paul decides if he wants to bail to Atlanta/Dallas/Houston with D12. Great isn't the word I'd use. Interesting maybe.

The Clippers have all of the leverage here

That is just a silly statement. The Celtics have assets the Clippers want. Making this trade puts LAC in the conversation for top team in the West. Need I restate the 1st round out from last year? Boston on the other hand either rebuilds...or as reports suggest, rebuild. We're assuming base on reports that either KG/Doc go or they retire/quit. While it would be nice to have some assets for them I'm not sure how much I think of DJ and a late round 1st next year. The leverage isn't as one sided as you make it out to be.

cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not

I don't know if you're right or wrong on this one but I suspect you don't know what you're talking about. Do you know CP3? This statement leads me to believe you're just instigating.

I'm not one to forecast the future and proclaim it as gospel and I dislike when other people do it as well.

I don't understand what you guys are angry about.

We're angry because our team is falling apart and we're fans. We're also angry because we feel like we might get fleeced and have to watch a bad team for a while as a result. Hope I cleared that up for you.

Nope, clippers were a first round exit last season because of no system. That's where the new head coach comes in. He also helps DJ develop, because he was the weakest link in that chain last season.

Just about EVERY SINGLE source from the clippers has hinted that cp3 IS staying. Paul's hinted it. He basically said that if he could, he'd haev signed that new deal a while ago.

The clippers have odom's 8 mil off the books this year, and carons next. They have a nice trading piece in bledsoe. Blake is signed to a 5 year extension, and cp3 soon to follow. With a new coach and better developed dj and blake, they're in pretty darn good shape.

okay and let me rephrase something that I said earlier "why are you angry at the clippers for playing their cards right?" They have nothing to lose here, as they get to keep their assets and hire a good coach if this thing doesn't happen. You guys should be mad at ainge for quickly saying bledsoe isn't required in the trade. Just by him saying that, it appears the celtics ARE the more desperate team.

Aren't those same "sources" also saying that cp3 wants to team up with Howard? Last time I checked, the clippers don't have the cap space for both.

More disinformation from LaLa Clipperland. Just like the Hollins and Shaw crap.

Lakers will NEVER help the Clippers in a trade. NEVER.

True...  Mitch would never make the team down the hall into a SUPER POWER...... it could come back to haunt the Lakers team for many years......Lakers are dumping alot of contract in a year.......and Kobes hurt anyway ....so they would be no better off

I still hope Anige is totally fired over this.   


Jordon is not worth Bass and Bradley  .......

We need serious comp.  or just forget the deral ....why do we care if CP3 goes anywhere....he HATES BOSTON .....so why does Angibe suck up to set up a spoiled brat to win a ring.....

Boston helping a LA team  or ANY other team build a SUPER TEAM and recieving nothing but a second rate scrub in return

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@ramonashelburne: Clippers still feel Boston asking for too much and won't "get taken advantage of," source says.

Delusional.

That's a joke

They talk like DeAndre Jordan is an asset, rather than a mediocre player on a big contract.

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I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

youre a Clippers fan? right

do you even have to ask? you're welcome for the disinformation, btw. just know that rivers isn't the difference maker between paul leaving and staying, and that the clippers talking to shaw and hollins is REAL, no a bluff.

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I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

Get out troll. The Celtics are not desperate to win. 17 Championships buys you time unlike endless Clipper failure doesn't.

Din't even troll once, you just can't handle simple logic. You want to be bias, but you're seeing more and more than I'm right in this situation. Ye, those 17 rings are really helping out your current team.

There is no way your argument is logical.  The C's are into rebuilding already.  They don't have to do anything.  If they roll it all back this year both KG and PP and Doc are probably gone at the end of next year, with tons of cap space.  Not getting DJ and some bad filler isn't going to change the face of the Celtics like losing CP3 would for the clippers.  If you are going to just come in and say everyone is wrong without any logic ideas people are going to call you out on it.