The Celtic-Clipper trade talk (merged) - Clippers back out.

[goCeltics]

firstly

don't feed the troll

secondly

if the le cheapo's don't wanna take back salary i say danny move on and figure out wwhat to do with pp and the doc/kg situation would work itself out anyway neither are going to wanna stay with a rebuilding team.

Can't see how we are getting anything of value from this deal

[WeMadeIt17]

Honestly isn't there a chance that Cp3 and Dwight just straight up team up elsewhere. How amazing would that work out.

[RJ87]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

why are they doing it then?  if the clippers can just go sign another coach and forget about kg,  why don't they?  they could keep this prodigy jordon and not give up picks and all the cash rivers would demand.

cause they have an opportunity to get kg and doc for dj and a pick (2 assets that they need to put time and effort into developing). we're okay either way. now, if the celtics are really the ones calling the shots here, why was it that they couldn't even get bledsoe into the trade? why is it that they're offering their precious kg and doc for an overpaid center and a crappy 1st round pick? Cause Ainge is effin desperate. He's backed himself into a corner. not that hard to admit.

and to answer your question, the clippers ARE doing that. They're doing 2nd interviews with very REAL and good coaching candidates. It's the front offices job to attempt ALL options, including this celtics option.

You should broaden your sources and not believe everything that comes from the Clippers organization. Any long term Clippers fan would know that.

I am a long time Clippers fan, and Clipper Sources haven't been the problem with us, it's been ownership lol. Maybe you guys also need to broaden your sources to figure out that it's not "Doc or bust" for the clippers

Also you should understand,  its not "Deandre or bust" for us. (A cold shiver just ran down my spine at the thought).

Like I said above, Danny can the go the shrewd-GM route and amnesty Pierce (or waive him and pay him the $5m). Tell Doc he's not waiving his contract clause therefore not allowing him to coach for 3 years.  No Pierce + no Doc = KG officially retires.

Does that mean CP3 bolts? I have no idea, and I'm pretty sure you don't either. There ARE some attractive options on the market (Houston and Dallas) Sources say alot of things, but unless you're familiar with Chris' line of thinking, you can't really say. No one thought LeBron would bolt Cleveland for Miami, but he did.

[The Rondo Show]

Nope, clippers were a first round exit last season because of no system. That's where the new head coach comes in. He also helps DJ develop, because he was the weakest link in that chain last season.

Maybe this is true. It's also possible that they were a first round exit because they have very few good players. I'm not sure which is right but I'm willing to bet that getting better players AND a better coach would help regardless.

Just about EVERY SINGLE source from the clippers has hinted that cp3 IS staying. Paul's hinted it. He basically said that if he could, he'd haev signed that new deal a while ago.

The most recent thing I heard was that he and D12 were looking for a situation where they could play together. While that could be LAC it could also be other places. And "he basically said" doesn't cut it. Why don't you link a source to some of these proclamations. Or are they divination? Smells like a cow to me.

The clippers have odom's 8 mil off the books this year, and carons next. They have a nice trading piece in bledsoe. Blake is signed to a 5 year extension, and cp3 soon to follow. With a new coach and better developed dj and blake, they're in pretty darn good shape.

The Clippers have $43.8M in committed salaries before signing CP3. They sign him and go over the cap which really ties their hands in the FA market. That is all I was saying. I think they are in the same shape they were in last year with virtually the same personnel, maybe a better coach. They might be in "great" shape but that shape is still a first round exit until we see otherwise.

okay and let me rephrase something that I said earlier "why are you angry at the clippers for playing their cards right?" They have nothing to lose here, as they get to keep their assets and hire a good coach if this thing doesn't happen. You guys should be mad at ainge for quickly saying bledsoe isn't required in the trade. Just by him saying that, it appears the celtics ARE the more desperate team.

If you read through this thread you'd see that both perspectives you mentioned are well accounted for. Ainge is taking fire here and the Clippers are certainly trying to give up the least they can. Being Celtics fans we're not exactly predisposed to empathize with the opposing team. That is why we have 17 banners in our rafters.

Desperate is a silly way to put it. We're rebuilding one way or the other. I'm not sure that makes us desperate or not but both sides have something to lose here. Your team might be losing a shot at their championship window, our team might be losing our on a par center and a late 1st rounder.

honestly dude, I'm not gonna try to find the twitter posts and all that about the sources. I found one here that's a good indication that he's staying.http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/chris-paul-enjoying-playing-eric-bledsoe-now-because-204831453--nba.html

there's also another article where the reporter asks him if he's going to sign the 5 year deal or not and why he hasn't yet, he smiled and said something along the lines of "what do you want me to say, if i could have i would have signed" or so. trust me, just like you guys have inside info on your team, we have it on our team.

Gotta love the inside sources

[fairweatherfan]

youre a Clippers fan? right

do you even have to ask? you're welcome for the information, btw. just know that rivers isn't the difference maker between paul leaving and staying, and that the clippers talking to shaw and hollins is REAL, no a bluff.

You know there's a difference between speaking authoritatively and being an authority, right?  It's kinda like the difference between potential championships and actual ones.

[Chief Macho]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

why are they doing it then?  if the clippers can just go sign another coach and forget about kg,  why don't they?  they could keep this prodigy jordon and not give up picks and all the cash rivers would demand.

cause they have an opportunity to get kg and doc for dj and a pick (2 assets that they need to put time and effort into developing). we're okay either way. now, if the celtics are really the ones calling the shots here, why was it that they couldn't even get bledsoe into the trade? why is it that they're offering their precious kg and doc for an overpaid center and a crappy 1st round pick? Cause Ainge is effin desperate. He's backed himself into a corner. not that hard to admit.

and to answer your question, the clippers ARE doing that. They're doing 2nd interviews with very REAL and good coaching candidates. It's the front offices job to attempt ALL options, including this celtics option.

You should broaden your sources and not believe everything that comes from the Clippers organization. Any long term Clippers fan would know that.

I am a long time Clippers fan, and Clipper Sources haven't been the problem with us, it's been ownership lol. Maybe you guys also need to broaden your sources to figure out that it's not "Doc or bust" for the clippers

Also you should understand,  its not "Deandre or bust" for us. (A cold shiver just ran down my spine at the thought).

Like I said above, Danny can the go the shrewd-GM route and amnesty Pierce (or waive him and pay him the $5m). Tell Doc he's not waiving his contract clause therefore not allowing him to coach for 3 years.  No Pierce + no Doc = KG officially retires.

Does that mean CP3 bolts? I have no idea, and I'm pretty sure you don't either. There ARE some attractive options on the market (Houston and Dallas) Sources say alot of things, but unless you're familiar with Chris' line of thinking, you can't really say. No one thought LeBron would bolt Cleveland for Miami, but he did.

well said.

[j804]

Arash Markazi @ArashMarkazi about 12 minutes ago
At this point any Clipper hire as coach other than Doc may get the D'Antoni treatment, i.e. didn't replace VDN, replaced Doc.

Arash Markazi @ArashMarkazi about 10 minutes ago
Obviously different situations but Clippers fans are all-in on Rivers. If the Clippers go elsewhere, it won't be as well received pre-talks.

This ESPN LA writer is right, if they turn their head for an unproven Shaw or whoever they get their fanbase (not named CTwhatever) isn't going to take it to well.

[rondohondo]

Is this the longest thread in Celtics blog history?

[WeMadeIt17]

I am hoping this is all over with by tomorrow. I have work from 6am till 230 and all i'll be doing is checking my phone for updates.

[CT32]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

youre a Clippers fan? right

do you even have to ask? you're welcome for the information, btw. just know that rivers isn't the difference maker between paul leaving and staying, and that the clippers talking to shaw and hollins is REAL, no a bluff.

Who cares if it isn't a bluff.  The clippers should hire who ever your gm / owner thinks is the best fit.  But just because you SAY that the clippers pursuit of Doc isn't tied to CP3 staying with the LA clippers doesn't make is so.

and just because you think the clippers entire future rides on doc rivers doesn't make it so, not even remotely close

[The Rondo Show]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

youre a Clippers fan? right

do you even have to ask? you're welcome for the information, btw. just know that rivers isn't the difference maker between paul leaving and staying, and that the clippers talking to shaw and hollins is REAL, no a bluff.

Who cares if it isn't a bluff.  The clippers should hire who ever your gm / owner thinks is the best fit.  But just because you SAY that the clippers pursuit of Doc isn't tied to CP3 staying with the LA clippers doesn't make is so.

and just because you think the clippers entire future rides on doc rivers doesn't make it so, not even remotely close

I don't think anyone is even saying that lol

[CT32]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

why are they doing it then?  if the clippers can just go sign another coach and forget about kg,  why don't they?  they could keep this prodigy jordon and not give up picks and all the cash rivers would demand.

cause they have an opportunity to get kg and doc for dj and a pick (2 assets that they need to put time and effort into developing). we're okay either way. now, if the celtics are really the ones calling the shots here, why was it that they couldn't even get bledsoe into the trade? why is it that they're offering their precious kg and doc for an overpaid center and a crappy 1st round pick? Cause Ainge is effin desperate. He's backed himself into a corner. not that hard to admit.

and to answer your question, the clippers ARE doing that. They're doing 2nd interviews with very REAL and good coaching candidates. It's the front offices job to attempt ALL options, including this celtics option.

You should broaden your sources and not believe everything that comes from the Clippers organization. Any long term Clippers fan would know that.

I am a long time Clippers fan, and Clipper Sources haven't been the problem with us, it's been ownership lol. Maybe you guys also need to broaden your sources to figure out that it's not "Doc or bust" for the clippers

Also you should understand,  its not "Deandre or bust" for us. (A cold shiver just ran down my spine at the thought).

Like I said above, Danny can the go the shrewd-GM route and amnesty Pierce (or waive him and pay him the $5m). Tell Doc he's not waiving his contract clause therefore not allowing him to coach for 3 years.  No Pierce + no Doc = KG officially retires.

Does that mean CP3 bolts? I have no idea, and I'm pretty sure you don't either. There ARE some attractive options on the market (Houston and Dallas) Sources say alot of things, but unless you're familiar with Chris' line of thinking, you can't really say. No one thought LeBron would bolt Cleveland for Miami, but he did.

again, let Ainge do it. Why isn't he just doing that instead of considering this BS offer from the clippers? (which is getting worse and worse by the day). We'd love to have Doc, but the drop off from Doc to Hollins isn't like the drop off from Pop to Hollins (for example). It's not a big deal if it doesn't happen. The clipper have other coaches (that they like) ready to go. Everywhere around the league it's been thought of that cp3 is staying. The lebron situation was very different, ALOT of people assumed he was bolting out of there. What my entire point here was that the celtics are the ones backed into the corner here. and if they truly arent, then why is ainge acting like they are? he lost bledsoe in the deal and he's still interested in making the trade. IF Doc was required for cp3 to stay here, the clippers management would have taken both terry's and lee's contracts, while giving up bledsoe along side of it, bank on that

[CT32]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

youre a Clippers fan? right

do you even have to ask? you're welcome for the information, btw. just know that rivers isn't the difference maker between paul leaving and staying, and that the clippers talking to shaw and hollins is REAL, no a bluff.

Who cares if it isn't a bluff.  The clippers should hire who ever your gm / owner thinks is the best fit.  But just because you SAY that the clippers pursuit of Doc isn't tied to CP3 staying with the LA clippers doesn't make is so.

and just because you think the clippers entire future rides on doc rivers doesn't make it so, not even remotely close

I don't think anyone is even saying that lol

they basically are. "if they don't get doc, cp3 bolts"

[Chief Macho]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.

Again, your assumptions are completely wrong. Chris Paul is just as happy with hollins, shaw, or scott at the head coaching position. Every inside clipper source says cp3 was planning on signing this 5 year extension from the moment he got there.

Just as happy as with Rivers? That's pretty much nonsense. Why all this if that is the case?

Sterling really p---ed CP3 off when Sterling recently publicly threw Paul under the bus blaming him for Del Negro's firing.

They now want to make him happy. Doc will make him a lot happier and more likely to stay than Hollins or Shaw. To think anything else is ignoring the obvious.

it's nonsense if you think Doc Rivers is the difference maker in cp3 staying or leaving. He was planning on staying when the clippers were about to hire shaw or hollins. Don't try to lie to yourselves here guys. Just cause you want to make it seem like boston has the leverage, you're saying that without doc cp3 leaves. That's utter BS.

youre a Clippers fan? right

do you even have to ask? you're welcome for the information, btw. just know that rivers isn't the difference maker between paul leaving and staying, and that the clippers talking to shaw and hollins is REAL, no a bluff.

Who cares if it isn't a bluff.  The clippers should hire who ever your gm / owner thinks is the best fit.  But just because you SAY that the clippers pursuit of Doc isn't tied to CP3 staying with the LA clippers doesn't make is so.

and just because you think the clippers entire future rides on doc rivers doesn't make it so, not even remotely close

I don't think anyone is even saying that lol

they basically are. "if they don't get doc, cp3 bolts"

nobody here is saying that.   they're saying its a factor.
the celtics offer has reportedly been the same since day one.  include bledsoe or take back significant salary.  end of story.

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the fact that cp3 hasn't signed an extention up to date flies in the face of any thinking that cp3 resigning to the clips is a done deal, let them hire shaw/hollins and see what happens