CB Draft Finals: (1) Mavericks vs. (1) Bulls

[ronaldo943]

Interesting...i hope he is a Laker!

[Roy H.]

Yeah, sorry for the eruption earlier, folks.

The CB Draft is a largely frustrating experience for me.  It's why I originally was going to take this year off, and why I did take last year off.  I feel like sometimes the best teams are voted out due to strategic voting or politics or whatever.  As I mentioned, there are multiple GMs who purposefully tank me every year.  It sucks, and it [peeves] me off.

The more constructive thing to do, rather than venting, would have been to wait for the draft to be over, and to solicit comments about how to improve the draft in the future.  I didn't do this, mostly because I had a human moment and got irritated about something that has been ongoing for four years now.  I wish I hadn't done it.

I still think Dallas is significantly better than Chicago, in terms of how they'd control the boards, the paint, and the pace.  However, for those folks who have an honest disagreement, I tip my hat to you, and if you want to share your opinion, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

(Also, while I'm an abrasive GM, Edgar is a world class guy.  Almost as good a guy as IP. )

[ronaldo943]

Yeah, sorry for the eruption earlier, folks.

The CB Draft is a largely frustrating experience for me.  It's why I originally was going to take this year off, and why I did take last year off.  I feel like sometimes the best teams are voted out due to strategic voting or politics or whatever.  As I mentioned, there are multiple GMs who purposefully tank me every year.  It sucks, and it [peeves] me off.

The more constructive thing to do, rather than venting, would have been to wait for the draft to be over, and to solicit comments about how to improve the draft in the future.  I didn't do this, mostly because I had a human moment and got irritated about something that has been ongoing for four years now.  I wish I hadn't done it.

I still think Dallas is significantly better than Chicago, in terms of how they'd control the boards, the paint, and the pace.  However, for those folks who have an honest disagreement, I tip my hat to you, and if you want to share your opinion, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

(Also, while I'm an abrasive GM, Edgar is a world class guy.  Almost as good a guy as IP. )

Where is Edgar?

[nickagneta]

My take is this, everything on both sides of the ball are a wash except one area.

Bosh is a great talent offensively and can rebound but Varejao is one of the league's premier defenders against players like Bosh. So that mitigates Bosh's possible large contribution. Irving is a great shooting and good passing PG but he is offset by Holiday's defense and good play-making abilities. If Green is still going to be Jeff Green and kinda be there but not be spectacular, then the same can be said of Young, who's stats for 3 years have been almost exact replicas and who disappeared in last year's playoffs.

The benches are both strong and deep but its the playoffs and my guess is both teams will be down to 8-man rotations with Brand/Gordon/Kleiza getting the most run off the Mavs bench and Splitter/Jack/Parsons getting most of the Bulls PT.

So that leaves the superstars and whether they can convincingly beat their matchups. On paper it says Wade is the easy winner over Sefalosha whereas LeBron is taking on one of the better SFs in the game. here's the thing, over the past two playoffs, LeBron has absolutely owned Pierce. LeBron has taken his game to MJ level of greatness and I don't think a year from now LeBron is not going to own Pierce just as much. The Captain will have his big game but LeBron will have a monster series as the thought of ring #2 gets closer and closer.

Wade is one of the greatest superstars in the game today, but with a long, athletic defender on him, I don't think he can raise his game to the heights that Lebron can any more. The Miami Heat are LeBron's team and Wade is now playing the older, more beat up version of Pippen to MJ.

LeBron's ability to elevate his game and put his team on his shoulders wins this series because the collective trio of Bosh, Wade and Pierce will run into a defensive buzzsaw in AV, Lebron and Thabo. I see frustrating periods of an inability to score for that Bulls team and for that reason:

Mavericks in 7.

Really surprised by this as i thought you were going for the Bulls all the way.

Don't know why you thought that.

Let me say that the Olympic play of LeBron James convinced me that this is the right vote. Against the best the world had to offer and playing with the best players in the NBA, LeBron's play was mesmerizing. His skill in every department is in a different stratosphere than everyone else right now. In one game he scored 8 points and was without a doubt the biggest reason the USA won and the clear MVP of that team.

He can just do everything great, He is the only player to be able to guard and dominate defensively every position on the floor and offensively he can do the same. Chicago has some nice pieces but LeBron is the best in the game and has way more talent than is necessary to win.

Honestly, this should be LeBron's 2nd or 3rd CB Draft championship as his teams have been treated harshly with LeBron hate the last few seasons.

[ronaldo943]

Also who won the CB Draft in:
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011?

[Roy H.]

Also who won the CB Draft in:
2007 - No voting
2008 - No playoffs. 
2009 - CrotoNats
2010 - StartOrien
2011? - mgent

[Roy H.]

Yeah, sorry for the eruption earlier, folks.

The CB Draft is a largely frustrating experience for me.  It's why I originally was going to take this year off, and why I did take last year off.  I feel like sometimes the best teams are voted out due to strategic voting or politics or whatever.  As I mentioned, there are multiple GMs who purposefully tank me every year.  It sucks, and it [peeves] me off.

The more constructive thing to do, rather than venting, would have been to wait for the draft to be over, and to solicit comments about how to improve the draft in the future.  I didn't do this, mostly because I had a human moment and got irritated about something that has been ongoing for four years now.  I wish I hadn't done it.

I still think Dallas is significantly better than Chicago, in terms of how they'd control the boards, the paint, and the pace.  However, for those folks who have an honest disagreement, I tip my hat to you, and if you want to share your opinion, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

(Also, while I'm an abrasive GM, Edgar is a world class guy.  Almost as good a guy as IP. )

Where is Edgar?

Saving the world.

Seriously, Edgar has one of the most interesting lives I know.

[ronaldo943]

Also who won the CB Draft in:
2007 - No voting
2008 - No playoffs. 
2009 - CrotoNats
2010 - StartOrien
2011? - mgent

So im guessing i will be the first one to go back-to-back?

[indeedproceed]

My take is this, everything on both sides of the ball are a wash except one area.

Bosh is a great talent offensively and can rebound but Varejao is one of the league's premier defenders against players like Bosh. So that mitigates Bosh's possible large contribution. Irving is a great shooting and good passing PG but he is offset by Holiday's defense and good play-making abilities. If Green is still going to be Jeff Green and kinda be there but not be spectacular, then the same can be said of Young, who's stats for 3 years have been almost exact replicas and who disappeared in last year's playoffs.

The benches are both strong and deep but its the playoffs and my guess is both teams will be down to 8-man rotations with Brand/Gordon/Kleiza getting the most run off the Mavs bench and Splitter/Jack/Parsons getting most of the Bulls PT.

So that leaves the superstars and whether they can convincingly beat their matchups. On paper it says Wade is the easy winner over Sefalosha whereas LeBron is taking on one of the better SFs in the game. here's the thing, over the past two playoffs, LeBron has absolutely owned Pierce. LeBron has taken his game to MJ level of greatness and I don't think a year from now LeBron is not going to own Pierce just as much. The Captain will have his big game but LeBron will have a monster series as the thought of ring #2 gets closer and closer.

Wade is one of the greatest superstars in the game today, but with a long, athletic defender on him, I don't think he can raise his game to the heights that Lebron can any more. The Miami Heat are LeBron's team and Wade is now playing the older, more beat up version of Pippen to MJ.

LeBron's ability to elevate his game and put his team on his shoulders wins this series because the collective trio of Bosh, Wade and Pierce will run into a defensive buzzsaw in AV, Lebron and Thabo. I see frustrating periods of an inability to score for that Bulls team and for that reason:

Mavericks in 7.

Really surprised by this as i thought you were going for the Bulls all the way.

Don't know why you thought that.

Let me say that the Olympic play of LeBron James convinced me that this is the right vote. Against the best the world had to offer and playing with the best players in the NBA, LeBron's play was mesmerizing. His skill in every department is in a different stratosphere than everyone else right now. In one game he scored 8 points and was without a doubt the biggest reason the USA won and the clear MVP of that team.

He can just do everything great, He is the only player to be able to guard and dominate defensively every position on the floor and offensively he can do the same. Chicago has some nice pieces but LeBron is the best in the game and has way more talent than is necessary to win.

Honestly, this should be LeBron's 2nd or 3rd CB Draft championship as his teams have been treated harshly with LeBron hate the last few seasons.

So are you willing to acknowledge Jennings/?Lebron/Illy/Noah is a championship team?

Cuz you werent in 2010!

Btw, I'm drunk, wife is asleep, fire away of you have real questions about the series. I will use no obscure stats And no illegitimately believed bias in my answers.



Thank god for spellcheck.

[ronaldo943]

Who is winning right now in votes?

[CelticsFan9]

I ended up voting for Dallas, but I'd like to say that we really got to see the two best teams, IMO, fight for the title.

I went back and checked the other rosters, and these two looked to be the best ones in a "win-now" mode.

Congrats to Roy, Edgar, and IP for constructing two great teams!

[Roy H.]

Who is winning right now in votes?

Don't care.  Just enjoying the evening.   

Tomorrow, I will begin updating my enemies list.

[Roy H.]

I ended up voting for Dallas, but I'd like to say that we really got to see the two best teams, IMO, fight for the title.

I went back and checked the other rosters, and these two looked to be the best ones in a "win-now" mode.

Congrats to Roy, Edgar, and IP for constructing two great teams!

Thanks, man.

[jgod213]

Weeeelp i'm laying low tonight (a combination of work, a party tomorrow, a trip next weekend, and just general lameness) so my plan is going to be get as many more beers in me in the next 2 hours as I can and then stumble onto this site and submit a vote.

Right now I'm leaning Portland or Lakers but my mind isn't made up. Have at is, Hoss'

[ronaldo943]

Who is winning right now in votes?

Don't care.  Just enjoying the evening.   

Tomorrow, I will begin updating my enemies list.

Am i going to be on it?