Celtics offer for Kaman (rumor)

[jambr380]

Okafor is probably the best case scenario for us (well, technically Howard is, but Okafor is at least a realistic prospect). He is a lot better than Kaman defensively, doesn't turn the ball over very much, and is about on par with Kaman offensively.

I would much much much rather have Okafor. I get that he has a couple of extra years left, but if Howard is going to stay in Orlando for another year, then Okafor would be an expiring after next season and would certainly be moveable at that point. Okafor and Kaman are in different leagues. Get ready for a Potapenko type player, at best...Please Danny, don't include a first or anything that matters in this deal!

[Neurotic Guy]

Only trade prospects (future chips) if the return includes other equivalent prospects, more cap relief, or someone who makes us a contender.  Otherwise, why do it? I don't believe Danny would part with future value for a fragile 30 year old just for a few more wins.

If Danny thinks the addition of Kaman makes the C's a legit contender this year (or more attractive to FAs), then absolutely part with JJJ or a 1st rounder.  I don't see that Kaman would bring anything near enough to the table, but what do I know. 

[2short]

Okafor is probably the best case scenario for us (well, technically Howard is, but Okafor is at least a realistic prospect). He is a lot better than Kaman defensively, doesn't turn the ball over very much, and is about on par with Kaman offensively.

agreed except I believe Okafor is really overpaid.

This trade doesn't work salary wise anyway. You'd need to include Dooling or two other minimum salary players (or ship them out to a 3rd team).

I got no problem including Dooling in any trade....including for the stray frazzled cat I just saw outside my home.

tp for a laugh out loud and my wife thinks i'm nuts

[2short]

By the way I agree Okafor would be a better fit (imagine our defense!)
But if we get Kaman he would be the 5th option on offense, that is a pretty good fifth option

[Jon]

While I like Okafor better as a player, Kaman obviously makes a lot of sense contract-wise.  He leaves Danny with cap space this summer if he decides he wants it.  

I also think some people really underestimate the impact playing with the Core Four could have on him.  

There were many people on this board last year deriding the signing of Shaq because they felt he was done.  Some even went as far as to say that he actually made his previous two teams (Phoenix and Cleveland) worse when he was on the floor.  

Then he came here.

And while the end of the season was disappointing, when he was healthy, the Celtics were the best team in basketball and Shaq was at least reminding people why he was the most dominant offensive force of at least the past decade.  

Why?

Because Shaq went from being expected to be the #2 option on offense in Phoenix and Cleveland to the #5 option here.  So unlike the rest of career where defenses were focusing on how to stop him, stopping him was an afterthought.

Quite frankly, the fact that Perk scored at all (given his propensity to dribble and get stuffed under the basket or drop the pass) and that BBD looked so good all had to do with opposing defenses giving them good looks all the time.  

And while Kaman certainly isn't Shaq, he's proven his whole career that he's quite a capable scorer.  If he comes here and plays with the best talent and the best passers he's ever played with, I think we can expect him to also play the best basketball of his career.  That may not translate to more PPG, but I think we can certainly see him shoot a higher percentage and have some really great games.  

[Kane3387]

While I like Okafor better as a player, Kaman obviously makes a lot of sense contract-wise.  He leaves Danny with cap space this summer if he decides he wants it.  

I also think some people really underestimate the impact playing with the Core Four could have on him.  

There were many people on this board last year deriding the signing of Shaq because they felt he was done.  Some even went as far as to say that he actually made his previous two teams (Phoenix and Cleveland) worse when he was on the floor.  

Then he came here.

And while the end of the season was disappointing, when he was healthy, the Celtics were the best team in basketball and Shaq was at least reminding people why he was the most dominant offensive force of at least the past decade.  

Why?

Because Shaq went from being expected to be the #2 option on offense in Phoenix and Cleveland to the #5 option here.  So unlike the rest of career where defenses were focusing on how to stop him, stopping him was an afterthought.

Quite frankly, the fact that Perk scored at all (given his propensity to get dribble and get stuffed under the basket or drop the pass) and that BBD looked so good all had to do with opposing defenses giving them good looks all the time.  

And while Kaman certainly isn't Shaq, he's proven his whole career that he's quite a capable scorer.  If he comes here and plays with the best talent and the best passers he's ever played with, I think we can expect him to also play the best basketball of his career.  That may not translate to more PPG, but I think we can certainly see him shoot a higher percentage and have some really great games.  

Well said.

TP

[goCeltics]

looked at his stats close up and boy kaman STINKS!!!!

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/130-chris-kaman?_=1331767596597&season=2011

turnover prone big that shoot a antonie walker like %40 without the threes.


he will be rasheed, jermaine version 2.0.

[goCeltics]

btw shaq eFG% was never below 55% see

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html

kaman in his current year is %42

kaman is no shaq.

[GrandTheftRondo]

I didn't read the whole thread but am I the only one not on the Kaman train? Probably.

I'd prefer JaVale McGee.

[green7]

looked at his stats close up and boy kaman STINKS!!!!

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/130-chris-kaman?_=1331767596597&season=2011

turnover prone big that shoot a antonie walker like %40 without the threes.


he will be rasheed, jermaine version 2.0.

he still  rebound the ball better than Jo, and of course his stats are nothing special atm look @ the team he's playing for

[Jon]

looked at his stats close up and boy kaman STINKS!!!!

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/130-chris-kaman?_=1331767596597&season=2011

turnover prone big that shoot a antonie walker like %40 without the threes.


he will be rasheed, jermaine version 2.0.

But again, as I said above, for the bulk of this year, Kaman was the #1 or #2 option on offense.  Thus, it makes sense that his FG% would drop (keep in mind he's a career 48% shooter).  

And that's why it'd also make sense to see him shoot well above 50% if he came here to be the 5th option.  

[goCeltics]

looked at his stats close up and boy kaman STINKS!!!!

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/130-chris-kaman?_=1331767596597&season=2011

turnover prone big that shoot a antonie walker like %40 without the threes.


he will be rasheed, jermaine version 2.0.

But again, as I said above, for the bulk of this year, Kaman was the #1 or #2 option on offense.  Thus, it makes sense that his FG% would drop (keep in mind he's a career 48% shooter).  

And that's why it'd also make sense to see him shoot well above 50% if he came here to be the 5th option.  

maybe his fg% will rebound, but boy his NO number stink, and 48% for a big ain't great, ppl here complain about rondo eFG% being around 50% and his is a point guard

[goCeltics]

I didn't read the whole thread but am I the only one not on the Kaman train? Probably.

I'd prefer JaVale McGee.

McGee wants 14 million a year plus to get him now you would need to pick up blatche and give up probably avery+jujuan and the wiz might, might agree

[GrandTheftRondo]

I didn't read the whole thread but am I the only one not on the Kaman train? Probably.

I'd prefer JaVale McGee.

McGee wants 14 million a year plus to get him now you would need to pick up blatche and give up probably avery+jujuan and the wiz might, might agree

I don't want Blatche  . There has to be a way to get JaVale without Blatche.

McGee wants 14 million a year, just like I want a billion dollars a year. Doesn't mean its going to happen lol.

He's making 2.5 million this year, and he'll be a restricted FA in the off season...I wouldn't mind paying him 8 or 9 million over 3 years or so and that's probably around what others would offer. He's a young big body with lots of potential...he's just lacking basketball IQ. I think Doc and the vets will be a great influence on him. He and Rondo together...both in their prime...just a highlight reel waiting to happen.

[goCeltics]

http://www.82games.com/1112/11NOH17.HTM

look at kaman on/off stats, NO much better when he on the court, their defense improves greatly.

but jujaun is no slotch, he rebounding number are poor, he needs to bulk up def, but he shown that he is able to score at a good rate