Celtics offer for Kaman (rumor)

[goCeltics]

if there going to resign kaman i'm ok in giving up jujuan, but i hate if they give up a prospect for a 2 month rental, that would be real stupid

[hpantazo]

if there going to resign kaman i'm ok in giving up jujuan, but i hate if they give up a prospect for a 2 month rental, that would be real stupid

Doc and Danny have a much better idea of JJJ's long term value than almost anyone else. I trust that if they trade him for a Kaman rental they know that they don't want to keep JJJ anyway.

[GreenEnvy]

I'm fine giving up JJJ for Kaman. I'd rather give him up than a first rounder, and a second rounder won't cut it with the salaries needing to match.

We need a C desperately and if Danny doesn't do whatever it takes to bring one in he is basically throwing in the towel on this season.

I'd give up JJJ and Moore (or a future first) to get it done.

With KG, Kaman and Bass, you can get 30 mpg from each in the playoffs. Go small with Pietrus for a few minutes a game? Or I can live with Stiemsma.

Scoring is a problem that we likely won't be able to address but improving our rebounding will greatly improve our chances. We hang in most of our losses despite giving up like 10-20 more fga.

[goCeltics]

ainge should learn of morey he uses bench spots to find prospects and develop them and end up creating assets, enough of the dooling types, do some scouting and find a couple of prospects.

[Who]

I think JJJ is a better prospect than most of the names being floated about in the final third of this summer's draft.

Where are the Clippers now in the standings? Is that pick still projected in the 22-26 range? Or have they been slipping in the standings? Late teens?

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of that either although it would be my preference to do so.

What makes you think so?  Doc stated plainly that he would start Bass over JO even if JO came back healthy.  Talked about how much he liked KG's advantages at the 5.

I think he'd stick to his guns and value speed in the starting line-up, and slot Kaman into the role Wilcox and Stiemsma have filled.

Thats because we had no choice and were awful with JO at center it wasnt working. I like the move let's do it one last run ya never know what happens.

It was the lack of speed that I believe bothered Doc most about starting JO.  If there's anyone in the NBA slower than JO, it's Kaman.  

Kaman might have a funny stride and not be dwight howard running up and down the court but he is mobile and far faster than JO.  Maybe he couldn't beat wilcox down the court but he is no way slow.  A good low post presence who's game would go way up playing with rondo and kg's interior passing.  Would be a great trade for the celtics and I'd think he'd resign with them.

I agree! I keep seeing people saying how slow Kaman is but I have actually watched Kaman play quite a bit recently and I can say with certainty that he is not slower than JO (my opinion of course)! I think the people calling him slow (although he isn't fast or that young by any stretch) haven't really watched him! He is has been solid on D and even better on offense which is what we need from our C, look how good we looked when Shaq was healthy! I would prefer Okafor (if he is going to be healthy) over Kaman but don't hate on Kaman b/c we need someone like him and he (maybe Okafor) is better than anyone else out there that we can get, REALISTICALLY!!

[goCeltics]

if there going to resign kaman i'm ok in giving up jujuan, but i hate if they give up a prospect for a 2 month rental, that would be real stupid

Doc and Danny have a much better idea of JJJ's long term value than almost anyone else. I trust that if they trade him for a Kaman rental they know that they don't want to keep JJJ anyway.

and pitno knew billups and johnnson potential if before they were traded away

btw i wouldn't be so confident of what jujuan might become, especially after he starts adding a few pounds, if gm's and coach were so good at predecting potential there would be no busts

[2short]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of that either although it would be my preference to do so.

What makes you think so?  Doc stated plainly that he would start Bass over JO even if JO came back healthy.  Talked about how much he liked KG's advantages at the 5.

I think he'd stick to his guns and value speed in the starting line-up, and slot Kaman into the role Wilcox and Stiemsma have filled.

Thats because we had no choice and were awful with JO at center it wasnt working. I like the move let's do it one last run ya never know what happens.

It was the lack of speed that I believe bothered Doc most about starting JO.  If there's anyone in the NBA slower than JO, it's Kaman.  

Kaman might have a funny stride and not be dwight howard running up and down the court but he is mobile and far faster than JO.  Maybe he couldn't beat wilcox down the court but he is no way slow.  A good low post presence who's game would go way up playing with rondo and kg's interior passing.  Would be a great trade for the celtics and I'd think he'd resign with them.

I agree! I keep seeing people saying how slow Kaman is but I have actually watched Kaman play quite a bit recently and I can say with certainty that he is not slower than JO (my opinion of course)! I think the people calling him slow (although he isn't fast or that young by any stretch) haven't really watched him! He is has been solid on D and even better on offense which is what we need from our C, look how good we looked when Shaq was healthy! I would prefer Okafor (if he is going to be healthy) over Kaman but don't hate on Kaman b/c we need someone like him and he (maybe Okafor) is better than anyone else out there that we can get, REALISTICALLY!!

Agreed, I have weird sleep so I generally watch a lot of games either replays or west coast late ones.  Kaman is very good, not a good as Bogut but he would offer us as much as a healthy shaq last year (probably more).  Okafor is a better defender and very good rebounder but with our interior passing and kaman's jumper he'd do quite well in green.

[bostonpatriot]

Kaman's FG/FGA in his last 20 games for the Hornets. He had 6 games in which he shot above 50%. For a big man that doesn't shoot 3 pointers and doesn't draw fouls, that's pretty bad.

His TS% for the season is 45%. Other Hornets bigs: Ayon - 57%, Okafor 54%, Landry 54%. He also has a fairly high turnover rate: 16%.

Playing with better players should help Kaman's efficiency but it's a bit scary how much of an offensive hindrance he's been for New Orleans. He's always been an inefficient player throught out his career, but in the last 3 years he keeps getting progressively worse.

[snively]

I think JJJ is a better prospect than most of the names being floated about in the final third of this summer's draft.

Where are the Clippers now in the standings? Is that pick still projected in the 22-26 range? Or have they been slipping in the standings? Late teens?

They've slipped to 5th in the West, about 10th overall.  Really struggled since losing Billups (and Caron Butler has come crashing back to earth after a decent start).

They could end up falling into the teens at their post-Billups pace, though the Rubio/Lowry injuries should keep them from falling out of the playoffs.

[MBunge]

Kaman's FG/FGA in his last 20 games for the Hornets. He had 6 games in which he shot above 50%. For a big man that doesn't shoot 3 pointers and doesn't draw fouls, that's pretty bad.

His TS% for the season is 45%. Other Hornets bigs: Ayon - 57%, Okafor 54%, Landry 54%. He also has a fairly high turnover rate: 16%.

Playing with better players should help Kaman's efficiency but it's a bit scary how much of an offensive hindrance he's been for New Orleans. He's always been an inefficient player throught out his career, but in the last 3 years he keeps getting progressively worse.

Efficiency isn't everything.  How many times in the last 5 years has a Celtics' center shot the ball over 15 times in a game?  Sometimes just being a credible, if inefficient, offensive threat is a big deal.

Mike

[RyNye]

Okafor is probably the best case scenario for us (well, technically Howard is, but Okafor is at least a realistic prospect). He is a lot better than Kaman defensively, doesn't turn the ball over very much, and is about on par with Kaman offensively.

[SHAQATTACK]

This trade doesn't work salary wise anyway. You'd need to include Dooling or two other minimum salary players (or ship them out to a 3rd team).

I got no problem including Dooling in any trade....including for the stray frazzled cat I just saw outside my home.

[RyNye]

Efficiency isn't everything.  How many times in the last 5 years has a Celtics' center shot the ball over 15 times in a game?  Sometimes just being a credible, if inefficient, offensive threat is a big deal.

You are thinking about this backwards. When you are shooting so few times in a game, efficiency is EVERYTHING. In order to be a credible threat you have to be a threat to score the ball whenever you get it. If you are an inefficient volume scorer, you are not as credible of a threat, because you need high usage rates to get any points, which hurts your team.

Efficiency may not be everything in the long run, but for a 15-20minute a game big man, it is arguably the most important trait.

[SHAQATTACK]

Why do we like balding white centers?

Cause we can't get the Gasols or Howard.  Good hair costs