Celtics offer for Kaman (rumor)

[MBz]

I don't know how I feel about this.  I'm not even a huge JJJ fan, but we invested a first round pick in him.  If we go and trade him I'd prefer to get more in return then Kaman.  Also, hes a free agent after this year.  The big question is this. Does Chris Kaman make us an immediate contender for the title?  If it's no then I see no reason to move JJJ.

[Who]

Kaman needs to get as many minutes as possible alongside Rondo and the Big Three in order to get Kaman quality shot attempts. Otherwise, he'll be asked to create too much of his own offense and his disturbingly inefficient scoring of recent years will resume here in Boston.

[Who]

I think the Celtics need more than Kaman to be a title contender.

This trade would need to be only the first part of multiple moves.

[Rondo2287]

I think the Celtics need more than Kaman to be a title contender.

This trade would need to be only the first part of multiple moves.

I guess contender was the wrong word, I think if we got Kaman it gives us a fighters chance of taking it home.  Everything would have to fall our way for it to happen, but I think he gives us a chance, whereas now I see no chance.

[LarBrd33]

JJJ is a "1st round pick"... just happened to be picked this year.  Hornets get what they want.

If this happens, it could potentially save our season.

[RyNye]

You're basing that off what, 35 games? He's a career 48% FG shooter.

Which is still below average for a center. League average is 50%.

In 2010 he averaged 18.5 PPG on 49% shooting from the floor and 75% from the line

49% is still below the 50% league average for a center. His TS% that year was 52.7%, versus the average of 54.5%. His PPS was 1.17, also below the 1.28 average for his position.

Don't know where you got these numbers from. He's 2.7 this year, 2.3 for his career.

Oops, sorry, was looking at per 48 minute stats. Still, he turns the ball over a lot.

Statistically speaking his best year was 2010.

Actually, we are both wrong, 05-06 was his best pure statistical year. He had more rebounds, steals, and blocks that year, with better shooting percentages across the board (TS 57% ... which is pretty good). He may have scored less overall, but he was scoring far more efficiently.

I encourage you to look at some videos of him. Don't base everything on stats. Pay attention to his hands, footwork, shooting ability, post moves, fadeways, etc.

Once again, where are you getting this from? He doesn't have good hands, otherwise he wouldn't turn the ball over so much. His shooting ability, at its best, has been average, and has since regressed to WELL below average ... which is reflected in his low shooting percentages.

And I HAVE seen him play. I never saw him wow me, and the stats agree with me.

[MBz]

I think the Celtics need more than Kaman to be a title contender.

This trade would need to be only the first part of multiple moves.

I guess contender was the wrong word, I think if we got Kaman it gives us a fighters chance of taking it home.  Everything would have to fall our way for it to happen, but I think he gives us a chance, whereas now I see no chance.

Right.  I still am not sure what I think about this trade.  We would definitely need to make a few moves after to really make us contenders, but I don't think we have enough to offer either.  This feels like a deal we should have made last year, while this year we should probably be heading in the other direction and trading chips to teams who need that one extra piece to go over the top.

[RJ87]

I thought Danny said he wouldn't moves for right now that weren't productive to future? Moving JJJ for Kaman sure seems like he's already forgot about his own comments.

Frankly, I'd rather not do this move. I think we need to get younger and more athletic, Kaman doesn't fit the bill.

[snively]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of that either although it would be my preference to do so.

What makes you think so?  Doc stated plainly that he would start Bass over JO even if JO came back healthy.  Talked about how much he liked KG's advantages at the 5.

I think he'd stick to his guns and value speed in the starting line-up, and slot Kaman into the role Wilcox and Stiemsma have filled.

[snively]

I thought Danny said he wouldn't moves for right now that weren't productive to future? Moving JJJ for Kaman sure seems like he's already forgot about his own comments.

Frankly, I'd rather not do this move. I think we need to get younger and more athletic, Kaman doesn't fit the bill.

I've gotten the impression that Doc isn't enamored with JJJ.  Doesn't like his focus on offense. 

[LarBrd33]

I think the Celtics need more than Kaman to be a title contender.

This trade would need to be only the first part of multiple moves.

It might get us out of the 1st round.

We'd need to sign a couple big time guys (buyouts) to make a dent beyond that.

[Eddie20]

You're basing that off what, 35 games? He's a career 48% FG shooter.

Which is still below average for a center. League average is 50%.

In 2010 he averaged 18.5 PPG on 49% shooting from the floor and 75% from the line

49% is still below the 50% league average for a center. His TS% that year was 52.7%, versus the average of 54.5%. His PPS was 1.17, also below the 1.28 average for his position.

Don't know where you got these numbers from. He's 2.7 this year, 2.3 for his career.

Oops, sorry, was looking at per 48 minute stats. Still, he turns the ball over a lot.

Statistically speaking his best year was 2010.

Actually, we are both wrong, 05-06 was his best pure statistical year. He had more rebounds, steals, and blocks that year, with better shooting percentages across the board (TS 57% ... which is pretty good). He may have scored less overall, but he was scoring far more efficiently.

I encourage you to look at some videos of him. Don't base everything on stats. Pay attention to his hands, footwork, shooting ability, post moves, fadeways, etc.

Once again, where are you getting this from? He doesn't have good hands, otherwise he wouldn't turn the ball over so much. His shooting ability, at its best, has been average, and has since regressed to WELL below average ... which is reflected in his low shooting percentages.

And I HAVE seen him play. I never saw him wow me, and the stats agree with me.

Maybe you have watched him play, but I really doubt that when you described him as "not an offensive threat at all", which is much different than someone "wowing" you. Everyone that has seen Kaman play knows that he is a highly skilled offensive player, that uses his left hand especially well around the basket, has good post moves, textbook footwork, good hands (this is in terms of catching the ball), and a solid mid-range face up jumper. I hope we get him and you'll see first hand what I'm talking about.

[Who]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of that either although it would be my preference to do so.

What makes you think so?  Doc stated plainly that he would start Bass over JO even if JO came back healthy.  Talked about how much he liked KG's advantages at the 5.

I think he'd stick to his guns and value speed in the starting line-up, and slot Kaman into the role Wilcox and Stiemsma have filled.

I hadn't heard that. Maybe there is a chance then.

Still, Kaman is a lot better than JO.

[Evantime34]

I would do JJJ, Wilcox, JO and Dooling in a heart beat for Kaman in a heart beat. It makes us better this year, we get to keep both our firsts and it gives us an extra million + going into free agency next year.

[j804]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of that either although it would be my preference to do so.

What makes you think so?  Doc stated plainly that he would start Bass over JO even if JO came back healthy.  Talked about how much he liked KG's advantages at the 5.

I think he'd stick to his guns and value speed in the starting line-up, and slot Kaman into the role Wilcox and Stiemsma have filled.

Thats because we had no choice and were awful with JO at center it wasnt working. I like the move let's do it one last run ya never know what happens.