Celtics offer for Kaman (rumor)

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Why do we like balding white centers?

Because we're the Celtics. =)

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Hypothetical: would you prefer to make this offer for Kaman, or save JJJ and trade JO and Wilcox for Marcus Camby instead?

Good question; I'd still go with Kaman, because he's younger than Camby, and (I believe) a better all-around player.

[Eddie20]

Hypothetical: would you prefer to make this offer for Kaman, or save JJJ and trade JO and Wilcox for Marcus Camby instead?

Good question; I'd still go with Kaman, because he's younger than Camby, and (I believe) a better all-around player.

Camby's better defensively. Kaman's better offensively. However, Kaman gives us something we haven't had since Shaq early last year, and that's a true back to the basket option.

[RyNye]

Not an offensive threat at all? I really question how much of Kaman you've seen with that statement. The guy has excellent hands, footwork, and post moves, combined with a nice mid-range jumper.

His FG% is 41%. The average for centers in this league is closer to 50%. '08 was the last year he had even AVERAGE offensive production. I will give you that he is a good passer, but he is extremely turnover prone (4.5 per game on the season, 3.7 for his career; the average center turns it over 2.7 times per game).

The best year of his career, '08, he was barely above average offensively. He has gotten worse since then. His TS% is almost 10 full percentage points below the league average for his position. That is not a skilled offensive player.

I will give you that he will look a LOT better with a PG like Rondo, and a PF like KG, along side of him. That said, I don't know where you are getting your assessment of his offensive abilities from, because it doesn't seem to line up with his numbers.

[snively]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

[Geo123]

Kaman is a legit center--younger and better than Camby.  JJJ is quite possibly too frail to play in the NBA he can shoot but will he ever be able to guard anyone?

We haven't had a center of Kaman's quality since Perk and Perk was never an all star.  Kaman would make us a contender.

WAY too early to say that JJJ is too frail to play in the NBA.  There have been many players who came into the league too small and balked up.  He's a good hard worker with a good skill set that needs to put on a minmum of 20 to 30 pounds.  

[Kane3387]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

[Fafnir]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Why not?

If we're keeping KG's minutes down that'll work out well, KG comes out at 6 minute mark and Kaman plays 3 or 4 minutes with Bass.

[2short]

I like jjj offensive game and think he will develop nicely, would rather another package BUT Kaman is very good.  And he has a nice offensive game, his being slow is a myth, he's not dwight on the break but he's faster than perk, good rebounder and put him next to kg that is a good front court.  I'd say him signing with team, bass moving to bench would be us in eastern conference finals with a good chance to get to finals (as long as everyone is healthy).

Like what wilcox has given us but Kamen is a big upgrade over wilcox and jjj.

[Who]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of that either although it would be my preference to do so.

[Kane3387]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Why not?

If we're keeping KG's minutes down that'll work out well, KG comes out at 6 minute mark and Kaman plays 3 or 4 minutes with Bass.

You could just do the same with Bass. Kaman is more suited to start and Bass come off the bench. We should have Kaman playing against starters with our starters.

A) Bc he is better the Bass

B) It will be easier for him to learn our system, etc. playing with the big 4

[Eddie20]

Not an offensive threat at all? I really question how much of Kaman you've seen with that statement. The guy has excellent hands, footwork, and post moves, combined with a nice mid-range jumper.

His FG% is 41%. The average for centers in this league is closer to 50%.

You're basing that off what, 35 games? He's a career 48% FG shooter.

'08 was the last year he had even AVERAGE offensive production.

In 2010 he averaged 18.5 PPG on 49% shooting from the floor and 75% from the line

I will give you that he is a good passer, but he is extremely turnover prone (4.5 per game on the season, 3.7 for his career; the average center turns it over 2.7 times per game).

Don't know where you got these numbers from. He's 2.7 this year, 2.3 for his career.

The best year of his career, '08, he was barely above average offensively. He has gotten worse since then. His TS% is almost 10 full percentage points below the league average for his position. That is not a skilled offensive player.

Statistically speaking his best year was 2010.

I will give you that he will look a LOT better with a PG like Rondo, and a PF like KG, along side of him. That said, I don't know where you are getting your assessment of his offensive abilities from, because it doesn't seem to line up with his numbers.

I encourage you to look at some videos of him. Don't base everything on stats. Pay attention to his hands, footwork, shooting ability, post moves, fadeways, etc.

[theswitch]

I'd like to keep Garnett at center. He's been playing great there.

Getting Garnett more big man help is a priority but I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a center. I'd prefer a power forward if possible.

I'm fairly confident Doc would stick with KG as the starting 5 and bring Kaman off the bench.

I wonder if Kaman would be more efficient with us.  He's been really bad around the rim this year, shooting around 50% in that range and getting almost 10% of his shots blocked.  But he's been great with that mid-range jumpshot.

No way we bring Kaman off the bench.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of that either although it would be my preference to do so.

I don't think it really matters. Whether it's Bass or Kaman coming in, KG would be leaving at the 5 minute marker. It'd be KG and Bass or Kaman for 5, then Bass and Kaman for 5, and then the opposite of the first pairing for 5, then Bass and Kaman, etc. You're just changing one small aspect of the order.

[Rondo2287]

If we get an offensive player like Kaman to start at the 5 spot I think we will be contenders.  We certainly will be a team nobody wants to see in the postseason.

[csfansince60s]

How about we throw Ray in the deal and get Okafor and the other first NO owns. Leaves us a little thin at the 2 but...

Frontcourt rags to riches. Kaman/Okafor/KG/Bass. WOW!

Gasol/Bynum who?

I can dream, can't I? What a dream, though>