I rather have Marc Gasol then Dwight Howard

[Big_Matt34]

And for all that athletic prowess that he has, he is 27. In a few years all of that would fade and those fundamental skills that he is lacking would all come into question. You can't win with just athleticism and dunking, just ask Darryl Dawkins.

Uhh..Dwight isnt even 26 until December 8th. Also, he developed a very reliable post game this past season. The team around him was just no defending chuckers, and he got them 50+ wins.

Dwight>>>Marc Gasol. And that's not a knock on Gasol.

[GroverTheClover]

Marc Gasol: 11.7 PPG, 7 RPG, 1.7 BPG
Dwight Howard: 22.9 PPG, 14.1 RPG, 2.4 BPG

I'm confused. I thought players play the games, not stats

Correct.


Stats are the numerical results of that play.

According to that, he is twice the player on the court.



By the eye test, he is the superior player while Gasol is a clog on a team with more talent. 

Lets see Howard play alongside Zack Randolph. Then we'll see how his points and rebound numbers look then. Thats why I'm not a stats-freak. Its always skewed by the circumstance

I am going to guess Randolph's rebounding numbers are going to take a good sized hit. 

Was just going to say the same thing.  Yes stats don't always show a good comparison in players, but when there is that large of a difference, you usually can stop the comparing right there.  If you swap Gasol and Howard right now, what happens? Memphis improves and Orlando goes backwards.  Howard is an all-star center, Gasol is a good starting center, but he's not an all-star. 

Yeah you have a point
But a better player does not always mean the best option
Gasol moves the ball around more, picks his spots to score within the team structure. Howard on the other hand is a ball dominator in the post, and not a good passer. Theres a reason why he had that 46 and 19 game against Atlanta and still lost the game

Stats look pretty when you wanna make the all-star team, but I much rather have a center who plays within a team. And Gasol is above-average in my opinion

He is above-average, he's good, I did say that.  The reason he went for 46 and 19 and lost was because his team is no good.  For what we need in the future, Dwight is a much better fit.  Gasol is a good fit when he's the 3rd or 4th option offensively.  With the big 3 declining we need a #1 option, Gasol can't give us that, Howard can.  Howard can be the guy to get us 20+ a game, Gasol isn't going to be able to do that. 

Howard is not even a #1 option. He's never the guy the team closes the game with. In that '09 Finals run, Turkgolu, Rahard Lewis, and Raafer Alston all were ahead of him in as far as taking the last shot

You are not a centerpiece of you are like the 4th option as far as 4th quarter scoring. Plain and simple

Neither was Bill Russell. I think you underrate the impact of Howard's defense and rebounding. Our offense is at its best when the defense forces misses and grab rebounds to start the break.

[OsirusCeltics]

Marc Gasol: 11.7 PPG, 7 RPG, 1.7 BPG
Dwight Howard: 22.9 PPG, 14.1 RPG, 2.4 BPG

I'm confused. I thought players play the games, not stats

Correct.


Stats are the numerical results of that play.

According to that, he is twice the player on the court.



By the eye test, he is the superior player while Gasol is a clog on a team with more talent. 

Lets see Howard play alongside Zack Randolph. Then we'll see how his points and rebound numbers look then. Thats why I'm not a stats-freak. Its always skewed by the circumstance

I am going to guess Randolph's rebounding numbers are going to take a good sized hit. 

Was just going to say the same thing.  Yes stats don't always show a good comparison in players, but when there is that large of a difference, you usually can stop the comparing right there.  If you swap Gasol and Howard right now, what happens? Memphis improves and Orlando goes backwards.  Howard is an all-star center, Gasol is a good starting center, but he's not an all-star. 

Yeah you have a point
But a better player does not always mean the best option
Gasol moves the ball around more, picks his spots to score within the team structure. Howard on the other hand is a ball dominator in the post, and not a good passer. Theres a reason why he had that 46 and 19 game against Atlanta and still lost the game

Stats look pretty when you wanna make the all-star team, but I much rather have a center who plays within a team. And Gasol is above-average in my opinion

He is above-average, he's good, I did say that.  The reason he went for 46 and 19 and lost was because his team is no good.  For what we need in the future, Dwight is a much better fit.  Gasol is a good fit when he's the 3rd or 4th option offensively.  With the big 3 declining we need a #1 option, Gasol can't give us that, Howard can.  Howard can be the guy to get us 20+ a game, Gasol isn't going to be able to do that. 

Howard is not even a #1 option. He's never the guy the team closes the game with. In that '09 Finals run, Turkgolu, Rahard Lewis, and Raafer Alston all were ahead of him in as far as taking the last shot

You are not a centerpiece of you are like the 4th option as far as 4th quarter scoring. Plain and simple

Neither was Bill Russell. I think you underrate the impact of Howard's defense and rebounding. Our offense is at its best when the defense forces misses and grab rebounds to start the break.

Yeah totally you're right about Russell. My favorite player of all time

But Howard is not really that good in that aspect. His defense is derived from his athleticism. He has no footwork, jumps high for rebounds instead of boxing out, below-average passing skills. Just the little things I see that can make a difference betw an all star player from an impact player

[Fafnir]

Yeah totally you're right about Russell. My favorite player of all time

But Howard is not really that good in that aspect. His defense is derived from his athleticism. He has no footwork, jumps high for rebounds instead of boxing out, below-average passing skills. Just the little things I see that can make a difference betw an all star player from an impact player

Dwight Howard's defensive footwork is excellent as is his defensive rebounding (box outs and all)

[Assassin70]

Actually I couldn't disagree with this more.  Marc Gasol can stretch the floor which helps Rondo when he drives to the basket.

I read that similar argument about Krstic too.

Unfortunately Krstic is much more likely in our future C for awhile than Dwight is.

Even if we do get him I don't see him resigning with us with what we current have.  Danny is going to have to do his best work yet.

[StartOrien]

At the age of 26 Dwight Howard has already won a CB Blog Championship. Marc Gasol hasn't. Argument over.

[soap07]

But Howard is not really that good in that aspect. His defense is derived from his athleticism. He has no footwork, jumps high for rebounds instead of boxing out, below-average passing skills. Just the little things I see that can make a difference betw an all star player from an impact player

Russell's defensive was derived from his athleticism as well, what does that have to do with anything...being an elite defender has nothing to do with athleticism, otherwise Stromile Swift and Gerald Green would've been All Stars.

[nickagneta]

Is there really a need to reply to the OP in this thread because the whole premise being suggested is pretty comical?

[StartOrien]

Is there really a need to reply to the OP in this thread because the whole premise being suggested is pretty comical?

Are you suggesting we just keep it alive with pictures of cats doing funny things?

[pearljammer10]

I would not.

[OsirusCeltics]

But Howard is not really that good in that aspect. His defense is derived from his athleticism. He has no footwork, jumps high for rebounds instead of boxing out, below-average passing skills. Just the little things I see that can make a difference betw an all star player from an impact player

Russell's defensive was derived from his athleticism as well, what does that have to do with anything...being an elite defender has nothing to do with athleticism, otherwise Stromile Swift and Gerald Green would've been All Stars.

No, Russell's defense did not derive from his athleticism alone. That was an addition. Everyone is overrating Perk about his defense, and he has almost no athletic ability

In his final years, Russell's athleticism greatly diminished. But he still had his natural skills to fall back on. IMO Dwight doesn't have those natural skills

[MBz]

Marc Gasol: 11.7 PPG, 7 RPG, 1.7 BPG
Dwight Howard: 22.9 PPG, 14.1 RPG, 2.4 BPG

I'm confused. I thought players play the games, not stats

Correct.


Stats are the numerical results of that play.

According to that, he is twice the player on the court.



By the eye test, he is the superior player while Gasol is a clog on a team with more talent. 

Lets see Howard play alongside Zack Randolph. Then we'll see how his points and rebound numbers look then. Thats why I'm not a stats-freak. Its always skewed by the circumstance

I am going to guess Randolph's rebounding numbers are going to take a good sized hit. 

Was just going to say the same thing.  Yes stats don't always show a good comparison in players, but when there is that large of a difference, you usually can stop the comparing right there.  If you swap Gasol and Howard right now, what happens? Memphis improves and Orlando goes backwards.  Howard is an all-star center, Gasol is a good starting center, but he's not an all-star. 

Yeah you have a point
But a better player does not always mean the best option
Gasol moves the ball around more, picks his spots to score within the team structure. Howard on the other hand is a ball dominator in the post, and not a good passer. Theres a reason why he had that 46 and 19 game against Atlanta and still lost the game

Stats look pretty when you wanna make the all-star team, but I much rather have a center who plays within a team. And Gasol is above-average in my opinion

He is above-average, he's good, I did say that.  The reason he went for 46 and 19 and lost was because his team is no good.  For what we need in the future, Dwight is a much better fit.  Gasol is a good fit when he's the 3rd or 4th option offensively.  With the big 3 declining we need a #1 option, Gasol can't give us that, Howard can.  Howard can be the guy to get us 20+ a game, Gasol isn't going to be able to do that. 

Howard is not even a #1 option. He's never the guy the team closes the game with. In that '09 Finals run, Turkgolu, Rahard Lewis, and Raafer Alston all were ahead of him in as far as taking the last shot

You are not a centerpiece of you are like the 4th option as far as 4th quarter scoring. Plain and simple

Neither was Bill Russell. I think you underrate the impact of Howard's defense and rebounding. Our offense is at its best when the defense forces misses and grab rebounds to start the break.

Yeah totally you're right about Russell. My favorite player of all time

But Howard is not really that good in that aspect. His defense is derived from his athleticism. He has no footwork, jumps high for rebounds instead of boxing out, below-average passing skills. Just the little things I see that can make a difference betw an all star player from an impact player

Russell's came from his athleticism as well.  Find me a player in the league who boxes out on a regular basis.  Guys don't hit the o-boards like they used to.  Also you keep using the term impact players, who are your impact players in the league?

[JohnBagleyValueMeal]

I sort of agree with the OP, but only because I hate hate hate Dwight Howard and wouldn't want to have to delude myself into rooting for him and his corny Clark Kent self-interviews.

He's clearly the best center in the NBA though. No argument there.

[kozlodoev]

I sort of agree with the OP, but only because I hate hate hate Dwight Howard and wouldn't want to have to delude myself into rooting for him and his corny Clark Kent self-interviews.

He's clearly the best center in the NBA though. No argument there.

I harbor no particular sympathy for the guy either -- he's a punk with a smile. But he's the best you can hope to get in 2012, so...

[Bankshot]

TP.  8-9 mil a year for Marc Gasol would be a much better deal than 20+ for Dwight.  

I don't care about cost, I want another championship.  Dwight Howard is the best chance to get another 'ship.