Ongoing NFL draft chat

[Donoghus]

Pro football talk is saying the pats have been talking to the browns about the 6th overall pick.  If patrick Peterson were available i would be soooo pumped about a mccourty Peterson backfield

Just read that, myself.  That would be awesome.  Peterson could very well be the most NFL-ready player in this draft.

Cost to move up would be steep, though.  I'd hate to abandon or delay the OL & pass rush needs.

[Chris]

Pro football talk is saying the pats have been talking to the browns about the 6th overall pick.  If patrick Peterson were available i would be soooo pumped about a mccourty Peterson backfield

While I like the idea of moving up in this draft, not sure I like it for a CB.  I actually really like the C's defensive backfield right now, and think they have a much greater need up front (on both sides).

I guess if Peterson really is a truly elite playmaker, it could make sense, but I would much rather they moved up for someone like Quinn or Darius. 

[Cman]

Pro football talk is saying the pats have been talking to the browns about the 6th overall pick.  If patrick Peterson were available i would be soooo pumped about a mccourty Peterson backfield

While I like the idea of moving up in this draft, not sure I like it for a CB.  I actually really like the C's defensive backfield right now, and think they have a much greater need up front (on both sides).

I guess if Peterson really is a truly elite playmaker, it could make sense, but I would much rather they moved up for someone like Quinn or Darius. 

I'm worried about Quinn.  If Peterson is available, it sounds safer, even if not a position of "need".  If Peterson pans out as projected, Pats would be stocked at CB, absolutely stocked.

[Rondo2287]

Pro football talk is saying the pats have been talking to the browns about the 6th overall pick.  If patrick Peterson were available i would be soooo pumped about a mccourty Peterson backfield

Just read that, myself.  That would be awesome.  Peterson could very well be the most NFL-ready player in this draft.

Cost to move up would be steep, though.  I'd hate to abandon or delay the OL & pass rush needs.

I agree with your points, Brian Billick was on D&C this morning saying he was the best player in the draft and he would play him at safety because he is another Ed Reid.   Thats pretty darn high praise which got me excited about this kid

[Evantime34]

Quinn would be the pick now.

McCourty and Arrington played pretty well for the entire season. Bodden is coming back and he was our #1 the year before. So we have 3 starting caliber corners. I personally thing Butler will develop and become better so I think we're stocked at corner now.

What we need is someone to rush the passer so our corners aren't in coverage forever.

I understand the Patriots often pick the best player available but that is when they sit at there spot. When they decide to move up they usually grab a player they need (Ty Warren, Jerod Mayo being the last two).

[Chris]

Quinn would be the pick now.

McCourty and Arrington played pretty well for the entire season. Bodden is coming back and he was our #1 the year before. So we have 3 starting caliber corners. I personally thing Butler will develop and become better so I think we're stocked at corner now.

What we need is someone to rush the passer so our corners aren't in coverage forever.

I understand the Patriots often pick the best player available but that is when they sit at there spot. When they decide to move up they usually grab a player they need (Ty Warren, Jerod Mayo being the last two).

Well, I think they actually moved down to pick Mayo, but I agree with the premise. 

I also think the Pats have too many picks right now, and a shortage of elite players.  I really think they are going to move up.  To pinpoint the player is tough, but I think this is going to be when they will move up for a true, impact player, most likely in the defensive front 7.

[Rondo2287]

Quinn would be the pick now.

McCourty and Arrington played pretty well for the entire season. Bodden is coming back and he was our #1 the year before. So we have 3 starting caliber corners. I personally thing Butler will develop and become better so I think we're stocked at corner now.

What we need is someone to rush the passer so our corners aren't in coverage forever.

I understand the Patriots often pick the best player available but that is when they sit at there spot. When they decide to move up they usually grab a player they need (Ty Warren, Jerod Mayo being the last two).

Well, I think they actually moved down to pick Mayo, but I agree with the premise. 

I also think the Pats have too many picks right now, and a shortage of elite players.  I really think they are going to move up.  To pinpoint the player is tough, but I think this is going to be when they will move up for a true, impact player, most likely in the defensive front 7.

I agree with this, its funny though, on ESPN this morning they were saying the pats would trade up to take Cameron Jordan, then other mock drafts have him available at 17!

[Chris]

Quinn would be the pick now.

McCourty and Arrington played pretty well for the entire season. Bodden is coming back and he was our #1 the year before. So we have 3 starting caliber corners. I personally thing Butler will develop and become better so I think we're stocked at corner now.

What we need is someone to rush the passer so our corners aren't in coverage forever.

I understand the Patriots often pick the best player available but that is when they sit at there spot. When they decide to move up they usually grab a player they need (Ty Warren, Jerod Mayo being the last two).

Well, I think they actually moved down to pick Mayo, but I agree with the premise. 

I also think the Pats have too many picks right now, and a shortage of elite players.  I really think they are going to move up.  To pinpoint the player is tough, but I think this is going to be when they will move up for a true, impact player, most likely in the defensive front 7.

I agree with this, its funny though, on ESPN this morning they were saying the pats would trade up to take Cameron Jordan, then other mock drafts have him available at 17!

I'm not really feeling the Cameron Jordan connection.  I feel like there has been too much smoke there, and he is a guy who has really shot up draft boards after the season.  Call it a hunch, but I just don't see the Pats taking him. 

[Evantime34]

Quinn would be the pick now.

McCourty and Arrington played pretty well for the entire season. Bodden is coming back and he was our #1 the year before. So we have 3 starting caliber corners. I personally thing Butler will develop and become better so I think we're stocked at corner now.

What we need is someone to rush the passer so our corners aren't in coverage forever.

I understand the Patriots often pick the best player available but that is when they sit at there spot. When they decide to move up they usually grab a player they need (Ty Warren, Jerod Mayo being the last two).

Well, I think they actually moved down to pick Mayo, but I agree with the premise. 

I also think the Pats have too many picks right now, and a shortage of elite players.  I really think they are going to move up.  To pinpoint the player is tough, but I think this is going to be when they will move up for a true, impact player, most likely in the defensive front 7.

I agree with this, its funny though, on ESPN this morning they were saying the pats would trade up to take Cameron Jordan, then other mock drafts have him available at 17!

I'm not really feeling the Cameron Jordan connection.  I feel like there has been too much smoke there, and he is a guy who has really shot up draft boards after the season.  Call it a hunch, but I just don't see the Pats taking him. 

This!

When is the last time the Patriots let slip what they were doing before the draft? Oh wait, it never happens. To me this as well as the rumor of moving up to the 6 are smoke screens simply because that's how the Pats operate. I wouldn't be surprised if they stand pat depending on if the run on QB happens that Gosselin stated (5 in the first round).

[Chris]

I also think Pouncey is a very likely target if they stay around 17.  Florida guy, great pedigree, an absolute beast in college, and he plays a position of need right now (guard) and can slide over to an even more important position in the future (center).  

I also find the fact that he is not being linked to them in many (or any?) mock drafts, despite the obvious connections (how many Florida guys did they draft last year?), to be noteworthy.  This has smokescreen written all over it.

[Donoghus]

Quinn would be the pick now.

McCourty and Arrington played pretty well for the entire season. Bodden is coming back and he was our #1 the year before. So we have 3 starting caliber corners. I personally thing Butler will develop and become better so I think we're stocked at corner now.

What we need is someone to rush the passer so our corners aren't in coverage forever.

I understand the Patriots often pick the best player available but that is when they sit at there spot. When they decide to move up they usually grab a player they need (Ty Warren, Jerod Mayo being the last two).

Well, I think they actually moved down to pick Mayo, but I agree with the premise. 

I also think the Pats have too many picks right now, and a shortage of elite players.  I really think they are going to move up.  To pinpoint the player is tough, but I think this is going to be when they will move up for a true, impact player, most likely in the defensive front 7.

I agree with this, its funny though, on ESPN this morning they were saying the pats would trade up to take Cameron Jordan, then other mock drafts have him available at 17!

I'm not really feeling the Cameron Jordan connection.  I feel like there has been too much smoke there, and he is a guy who has really shot up draft boards after the season.  Call it a hunch, but I just don't see the Pats taking him. 

I'm not emamored with guys like Watt, Bowers, or Jordan at all.  Not with a 1st rounder.  I just think there is a lot of risk at stake with guys like this.  Especially when you run a 3-4 defense. 

I'd love to see them address OL in the first and if that Peterson scenario were to come to fruition, I'd be down with that too. 

[Evantime34]

Quinn would be the pick now.

McCourty and Arrington played pretty well for the entire season. Bodden is coming back and he was our #1 the year before. So we have 3 starting caliber corners. I personally thing Butler will develop and become better so I think we're stocked at corner now.

What we need is someone to rush the passer so our corners aren't in coverage forever.

I understand the Patriots often pick the best player available but that is when they sit at there spot. When they decide to move up they usually grab a player they need (Ty Warren, Jerod Mayo being the last two).

Well, I think they actually moved down to pick Mayo, but I agree with the premise. 

I also think the Pats have too many picks right now, and a shortage of elite players.  I really think they are going to move up.  To pinpoint the player is tough, but I think this is going to be when they will move up for a true, impact player, most likely in the defensive front 7.

I agree with this, its funny though, on ESPN this morning they were saying the pats would trade up to take Cameron Jordan, then other mock drafts have him available at 17!

I'm not really feeling the Cameron Jordan connection.  I feel like there has been too much smoke there, and he is a guy who has really shot up draft boards after the season.  Call it a hunch, but I just don't see the Pats taking him. 

I'm not emamored with guys like Watt, Bowers, or Jordan at all.  Not with a 1st rounder.  I just think there is a lot of risk at stake with guys like this.  Especially when you run a 3-4 defense. 

I'd love to see them address OL in the first and if that Peterson scenario were to come to fruition, I'd be down with that too. 

I understand why you would say there is a lot of risk with Bowers but I don't understand why Watt or Jordan are risks? The Patriots in general have a good history of drafting defensive lineman early in the draft. Jordan played 3-4 end in college so I say he's the least risk when it comes to the position. Watt looks like a beast, but since he is not used to playing the two gap style the Patriots play he is more of a risk than Jordan, but I believe he has better upside.

If we have the opportunity with our 17 pick I want them to select one of these two.

[Donoghus]

Quinn would be the pick now.

McCourty and Arrington played pretty well for the entire season. Bodden is coming back and he was our #1 the year before. So we have 3 starting caliber corners. I personally thing Butler will develop and become better so I think we're stocked at corner now.

What we need is someone to rush the passer so our corners aren't in coverage forever.

I understand the Patriots often pick the best player available but that is when they sit at there spot. When they decide to move up they usually grab a player they need (Ty Warren, Jerod Mayo being the last two).

Well, I think they actually moved down to pick Mayo, but I agree with the premise. 

I also think the Pats have too many picks right now, and a shortage of elite players.  I really think they are going to move up.  To pinpoint the player is tough, but I think this is going to be when they will move up for a true, impact player, most likely in the defensive front 7.

I agree with this, its funny though, on ESPN this morning they were saying the pats would trade up to take Cameron Jordan, then other mock drafts have him available at 17!

I'm not really feeling the Cameron Jordan connection.  I feel like there has been too much smoke there, and he is a guy who has really shot up draft boards after the season.  Call it a hunch, but I just don't see the Pats taking him. 

I'm not emamored with guys like Watt, Bowers, or Jordan at all.  Not with a 1st rounder.  I just think there is a lot of risk at stake with guys like this.  Especially when you run a 3-4 defense. 

I'd love to see them address OL in the first and if that Peterson scenario were to come to fruition, I'd be down with that too. 

I understand why you would say there is a lot of risk with Bowers but I don't understand why Watt or Jordan are risks? The Patriots in general have a good history of drafting defensive lineman early in the draft. Jordan played 3-4 end in college so I say he's the least risk when it comes to the position. Watt looks like a beast, but since he is not used to playing the two gap style the Patriots play he is more of a risk than Jordan, but I believe he has better upside.

If we have the opportunity with our 17 pick I want them to select one of these two.

Its a position that I feel is an absolute crapshoot when it comes to the draft.  I'm not a fan of these projected hybrid types that come out of college.  I believe its an extremely risky proposition using 1st rounders on these guys if you look at past track records.  A lot of these guys tend to get hyped out because they're "workout warriors" and scouts drool over their athletic potential.  Then what happens, they get to the pros and they don't pan out.

Also, I'm just not that high on these particular guys and hope that Belichick goes another direction.  I believe there are safer picks to make in the 1st round.

[Chris]

I'm not emamored with guys like Watt, Bowers, or Jordan at all.  Not with a 1st rounder.  I just think there is a lot of risk at stake with guys like this.  Especially when you run a 3-4 defense. 

I'd love to see them address OL in the first and if that Peterson scenario were to come to fruition, I'd be down with that too. 

Yeah, I absolutely hate taking DEs or OLBs in the first round outside of the top 5.  I think Quinn is a special case, because he should be a top 5 pick if he played last year, but all those other guys are MAJOR risks of busting.

Those guys are just so hard to come by, that if they really are elite talents, they are gone in the first few picks.  And you can get the typlical pluggers (who most of those guys end up being at best) in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or later.

I think the best values in the mid first round are on offensive linemen, interior defensive linemen, linebackers (non pass rush specialists), and D-backs.  

[Donoghus]

I think the best values in the mid first round are on offensive linemen, interior defensive linemen, linebackers (non pass rush specialists), and D-backs.  

Totally agree.