Ongoing NFL draft chat

[beantownboy171]

I'm not buying Evan Royster falling to the 7th round with Noel Divine.

I think the need for QBs will be greater than the mock suggests. 

I like Herzlich going to the Pats late in the draft.

I like seeing the Pats address the O-line in the 2nd round. It makes sense that they would do that in the 2nd rather than the first. I don't buy Ingram to the Pats with their 2nd first rounder. I think he'll be long gone by then and they'd rather get someone like Demeco in the 3rd or something.

I admit the CB pick in the 3rd makes some sense

I think the late round WR pick makes some sense, but don't expect impact there. A guy like that might be more of a special teams guy and a flier.  They used a 3rd rounder there and Brandon Tate isn't done yet.

I can't understand why I'm the only person on the planet that likes QB Ricky Dobbs out of Navy

Also things to look at.

If a quarterback besides Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton comes off the board before the pats pick at 17, its a good sign for the pats

If a cornerback besides Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara and Jimmy Smith go before the patriots pick at 28, I'd take that as a good as.

If a wide receiver/tight end/running back, besides  Mark Ingram, Julio Jones and A.J. Green go in the first. Its a good sign for the patriots.

Our needs our as follows:

1. Offensive Guard
2. Outside Linebacker
3. Defensive End
4. Offensive Tackle
5. Deep-Threat Wide Receiver
6. Running Back
7. Cornerback
8. Back-up Quarterback

If your looking for a bit of a read, I wrote this article over at Pats Pulpit a month or so ago. (It's a tad out-dated, but still useful)

http://www.patspulpit.com/2011/2/22/2007093/the-difference-between-a-need-and-a-need-an-indepth-look-at-the-2011

[Eja117]

My buddy Peter King was just on WEEI explaining his guess for why the Pats will trade down

Essentially the Pats only have 5 picks in the 2012 NFL draft.  The Pats don't like that.

Also one of the best QBs in a long time is coming out next year (Luck)

so the Pats may want to trade with a team that will be picking high next year.  Luck could slip down easily enough.  For example other teams drafting high might not need him. Maybe the Rams, Panthers, Cards, Raiders, Broncos and others will have solved their QB needs by then.

Plus if there's a rookie wage scale it would make a high pick even more valuable.  The Pats could either take Luck and develop him for 2 years or could trade the pick for a bounty.


So look for the Pats to trade one of their firsts for something like a 2nd this year and a 1 next year.

Teams that might do it would be teams like Tennessee that have a new coach, need a QB really bad, need everything really bad, and just pull the trigger.

[Donoghus]

My buddy Peter King was just on WEEI explaining his guess for why the Pats will trade down

Essentially the Pats only have 5 picks in the 2012 NFL draft.  The Pats don't like that.

Also one of the best QBs in a long time is coming out next year (Luck)

so the Pats may want to trade with a team that will be picking high next year.  Luck could slip down easily enough.  For example other teams drafting high might not need him. Maybe the Rams, Panthers, Cards, Raiders, Broncos and others will have solved their QB needs by then.

Plus if there's a rookie wage scale it would make a high pick even more valuable.  The Pats could either take Luck and develop him for 2 years or could trade the pick for a bounty.


So look for the Pats to trade one of their firsts for something like a 2nd this year and a 1 next year.

Teams that might do it would be teams like Tennessee that have a new coach, need a QB really bad, need everything really bad, and just pull the trigger.

Yeah, King wrote about that in today's Monday Morning QB column. 

I didn't realize they only had 5 picks next year so it makes total sense to trade down and pick up some assets for next year.  I could see them doing it with #28 more than #17 but who knows. 

[Cman]

My buddy Peter King was just on WEEI explaining his guess for why the Pats will trade down

Essentially the Pats only have 5 picks in the 2012 NFL draft.  The Pats don't like that.

Also one of the best QBs in a long time is coming out next year (Luck)

so the Pats may want to trade with a team that will be picking high next year.  Luck could slip down easily enough.  For example other teams drafting high might not need him. Maybe the Rams, Panthers, Cards, Raiders, Broncos and others will have solved their QB needs by then.

Plus if there's a rookie wage scale it would make a high pick even more valuable.  The Pats could either take Luck and develop him for 2 years or could trade the pick for a bounty.


So look for the Pats to trade one of their firsts for something like a 2nd this year and a 1 next year.

Teams that might do it would be teams like Tennessee that have a new coach, need a QB really bad, need everything really bad, and just pull the trigger.

Yeah, King wrote about that in today's Monday Morning QB column. 

I didn't realize they only had 5 picks next year so it makes total sense to trade down and pick up some assets for next year.  I could see them doing it with #28 more than #17 but who knows. 

Makes a lot of sense.  It probably just depends on who is still on the board at #17....

A lot of this comes down to what eja said earlier, that if there is an early run on QBs, that would really help the Pats.

[Donoghus]

My buddy Peter King was just on WEEI explaining his guess for why the Pats will trade down

Essentially the Pats only have 5 picks in the 2012 NFL draft.  The Pats don't like that.

Also one of the best QBs in a long time is coming out next year (Luck)

so the Pats may want to trade with a team that will be picking high next year.  Luck could slip down easily enough.  For example other teams drafting high might not need him. Maybe the Rams, Panthers, Cards, Raiders, Broncos and others will have solved their QB needs by then.

Plus if there's a rookie wage scale it would make a high pick even more valuable.  The Pats could either take Luck and develop him for 2 years or could trade the pick for a bounty.


So look for the Pats to trade one of their firsts for something like a 2nd this year and a 1 next year.

Teams that might do it would be teams like Tennessee that have a new coach, need a QB really bad, need everything really bad, and just pull the trigger.

Yeah, King wrote about that in today's Monday Morning QB column. 

I didn't realize they only had 5 picks next year so it makes total sense to trade down and pick up some assets for next year.  I could see them doing it with #28 more than #17 but who knows. 

Makes a lot of sense.  It probably just depends on who is still on the board at #17....

A lot of this comes down to what eja said earlier, that if there is an early run on QBs, that would really help the Pats.

I'm really interested to see what they end up doing with that 33rd pick.  They'll be squating on that thing overnight and it would seem the potential will be there to get a small ransom if someone like Ponder or one of the other QBs are still available.

[Eja117]

This might just interest me but I find it interesting that nearly every team with a QB need is picking in the first half and every team without one is picking in the 2nd.

There are some exceptions and some situations where it depends what you mean by a QB need, but there are a ton of teams with QB needs.

In no order

Panthers at 1  - If I'm them I'm giving Claussen another year and looking for some Luck next year
Bills at 3 - ditto
Bengals at 4
Cards at 5 - word is Larry Fitzgerald really wants them to trade for a vet like Donovan McNabb
49ers at 7
Titans at 8
Vikings at 12
Dolphins at 15
Jags at 16
Seahawks at 25

If I'm Ponder I'm a happy guy that two different teams just in Florida need a QB

There aren't enough QBs to handle the demand
 
Newton
Gabbert
Locker
Ponder
Colin Kaepernick
Mallet
Andy Dalton

then a pretty big drop off to Pat Devlin/Ricky Stanzi land meaning Kevin Kolb's agent will probably be a busy guy

[bbd24]

My buddy Peter King was just on WEEI explaining his guess for why the Pats will trade down

Essentially the Pats only have 5 picks in the 2012 NFL draft.  The Pats don't like that.

Also one of the best QBs in a long time is coming out next year (Luck)

so the Pats may want to trade with a team that will be picking high next year.  Luck could slip down easily enough.  For example other teams drafting high might not need him. Maybe the Rams, Panthers, Cards, Raiders, Broncos and others will have solved their QB needs by then.

Plus if there's a rookie wage scale it would make a high pick even more valuable.  The Pats could either take Luck and develop him for 2 years or could trade the pick for a bounty.


So look for the Pats to trade one of their firsts for something like a 2nd this year and a 1 next year.

Teams that might do it would be teams like Tennessee that have a new coach, need a QB really bad, need everything really bad, and just pull the trigger.

I don't know if Peter Kings reasoning is right, but I think the Pats trade down as well.  I just don't see how this year is a good year for 1st round picks. Most of the players you draft won't be getting their playbooks until this lockout is over. So, say September ?  or hope September ? Already behind the curve. This damages their growth from day 1, and doesn't give you their full value until later on. So lets hope they get a guy whose a beast from the get go and doesn't need 'time'.

Also factor in that some of the players later on in the draft are being mocked anywhere from the 2-4 round position. Its a toss up there and real value can be found if they do their homework later on in the draft.

This was a pretty good year NOT to have a 1st round pick.  Just based on the lockout.  Its also another reason why the Pats should have kept Big Daddy Richard Seymour.  You gambled that the Raiders would give you a top 10 pick, and it didn't come true.  The Pats could of used a dominant player these last 2 years for their playoff runs, yet still haven't received value by giving him up. Count in the factored loss of time for the new arrival at #17, and were essentially 3 years out from getting real and true value for the Beast that was Seymour.  Not a great move, IMO

[Eja117]

My buddy Peter King was just on WEEI explaining his guess for why the Pats will trade down

Essentially the Pats only have 5 picks in the 2012 NFL draft.  The Pats don't like that.

Also one of the best QBs in a long time is coming out next year (Luck)

so the Pats may want to trade with a team that will be picking high next year.  Luck could slip down easily enough.  For example other teams drafting high might not need him. Maybe the Rams, Panthers, Cards, Raiders, Broncos and others will have solved their QB needs by then.

Plus if there's a rookie wage scale it would make a high pick even more valuable.  The Pats could either take Luck and develop him for 2 years or could trade the pick for a bounty.


So look for the Pats to trade one of their firsts for something like a 2nd this year and a 1 next year.

Teams that might do it would be teams like Tennessee that have a new coach, need a QB really bad, need everything really bad, and just pull the trigger.

I don't know if Peter Kings reasoning is right, but I think the Pats trade down as well.  I just don't see how this year is a good year for 1st round picks. Most of the players you draft won't be getting their playbooks until this lockout is over. So, say September ?  or hope September ? Already behind the curve. This damages their growth from day 1, and doesn't give you their full value until later on. So lets hope they get a guy whose a beast from the get go and doesn't need 'time'.

Also factor in that some of the players later on in the draft are being mocked anywhere from the 2-4 round position. Its a toss up there and real value can be found if they do their homework later on in the draft.

This was a pretty good year NOT to have a 1st round pick.  Just based on the lockout.  Its also another reason why the Pats should have kept Big Daddy Richard Seymour.  You gambled that the Raiders would give you a top 10 pick, and it didn't come true.  The Pats could of used a dominant player these last 2 years for their playoff runs, yet still haven't received value by giving him up. Count in the factored loss of time for the new arrival at #17, and were essentially 3 years out from getting real and true value for the Beast that was Seymour.  Not a great move, IMO

true. But they saved money and got a younger guy

[bbd24]

My buddy Peter King was just on WEEI explaining his guess for why the Pats will trade down

Essentially the Pats only have 5 picks in the 2012 NFL draft.  The Pats don't like that.

Also one of the best QBs in a long time is coming out next year (Luck)

so the Pats may want to trade with a team that will be picking high next year.  Luck could slip down easily enough.  For example other teams drafting high might not need him. Maybe the Rams, Panthers, Cards, Raiders, Broncos and others will have solved their QB needs by then.

Plus if there's a rookie wage scale it would make a high pick even more valuable.  The Pats could either take Luck and develop him for 2 years or could trade the pick for a bounty.


So look for the Pats to trade one of their firsts for something like a 2nd this year and a 1 next year.

Teams that might do it would be teams like Tennessee that have a new coach, need a QB really bad, need everything really bad, and just pull the trigger.

I don't know if Peter Kings reasoning is right, but I think the Pats trade down as well.  I just don't see how this year is a good year for 1st round picks. Most of the players you draft won't be getting their playbooks until this lockout is over. So, say September ?  or hope September ? Already behind the curve. This damages their growth from day 1, and doesn't give you their full value until later on. So lets hope they get a guy whose a beast from the get go and doesn't need 'time'.

Also factor in that some of the players later on in the draft are being mocked anywhere from the 2-4 round position. Its a toss up there and real value can be found if they do their homework later on in the draft.

This was a pretty good year NOT to have a 1st round pick.  Just based on the lockout.  Its also another reason why the Pats should have kept Big Daddy Richard Seymour.  You gambled that the Raiders would give you a top 10 pick, and it didn't come true.  The Pats could of used a dominant player these last 2 years for their playoff runs, yet still haven't received value by giving him up. Count in the factored loss of time for the new arrival at #17, and were essentially 3 years out from getting real and true value for the Beast that was Seymour.  Not a great move, IMO

true. But they saved money and got a younger guy

I like the young part, and saving money, but its not a guarantee.  Seymour was already a guarantee.  I'll pay for the guarantee over the guess, anyday.

[Cman]

Boy, I don't know about you all, but, as a Pats fan, I'm getting very excited about the NFL draft this Thursday and Friday.

My current thoughts on what the Pats do with their first four picks (17, 28, 33, 60):

(1) trade 17 and 60 to Minnesota for #12, use the pick to select Cameron Jordan (this is my dream pick, since I'm a Cal alum)
(2) trade 28 to Washington or Tennessee for a 2nd rounder and 2012 first (I think it is a bit rich for the #28 spot, but, hey, fingers crossed).
(33) trade down in the 2nd round for a 2nd this year and a 2012 3rd
(two new 2nd rounders) best o-line player available that can start (e.g.: Danny Watkins?) and bpa (CB like Johnny Patrick? WR like Titus Young?)

[Jeff]

seeing Mark Ingram on a few mocks (either 1st rd pick) and that's fine with me but the chances of the Pats standing ...um pat seem slim

what's the over/under on # of Pats trades this weekend?  4?

[Donoghus]

seeing Mark Ingram on a few mocks (either 1st rd pick) and that's fine with me but the chances of the Pats standing ...um pat seem slim

what's the over/under on # of Pats trades this weekend?  4?

That's a pretty good line to set, Jeff.  You might want to think about getting in the oddsmaking business.   

I'd take the over there.  I think the Pats will be very active and moving around.  They currently only have 5 picks in next year's draft so I expect them to do some wheeling & dealing to pick up additional '12 picks.  Also, things seemed primed for some QB-starved teams to try and trade back into the first round and/or early 2nd round where the Pats hold the 28th and 33rd picks.  Pats would be prime players there to move around.

[Chris]

I am not sure this has been mentioned, but the other day Zolak was talking about how he thinks the Pats are going to trade up (maybe even 1 spot) just because if the system stays the same, they are allowed to lock up picks 16 and higher for an extra year than picks 17 or lower. 

Combine that with the fact that this draft is being called incredibly thin by some, I think they will move up.

So, my prediction is they will package their 2 first round picks (possibly getting back a 3rd rounder or something) to take Robert Quinn, so the Redskins can get both a young QB and another player.

The more I read about Quinn, the more intrigued I am.  He just sounds like a true game changer who would be a steal because he missed last year. 

[Donoghus]

The more I read about Quinn, the more intrigued I am.  He just sounds like a true game changer who would be a steal because he missed last year. 

Going back to last year, I was seeing very early mocks linking him with the Patriots back when everyone thought the OAK pick would be top 5.  He's built like the proto-typical Belichick guy and sounds like he'd be a great fit in a 3-4. 

I guess the biggest question on him would be how the year long layoff will affect things.  Working out and staying in shape is one thing but actually playing football is a whole other enchilada.

[Rondo2287]

Pro football talk is saying the pats have been talking to the browns about the 6th overall pick.  If patrick Peterson were available i would be soooo pumped about a mccourty Peterson backfield