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[nickagneta]

I agree. I think the Hawks have been easily one of the most under rated teams in this draft. They have what appears to be would be a great team defense and plus defenders at 4 starting positions and from at least one or two players from the bench. Their rebounding is good. They have one of the league's elite superduperstars.

I don't see what's not to like.

No primary wing defender, a small backcourt that is vulnerable on the backboards and defensively, and overall the lack of a scorer other than Durant.

Well, I would consider Durant a primary wing defender

6'4", 6'3" and 6'2" from your stating SG, PG and primary back up PG and I'm not sure being small is that big a deal given who the C's won the championship with at those same positions. Also, since when is being vulnerable on the backboards from your guard positions a huge deal? That's a semi-new one on me.

I also believe Brand off the bench and Okur can score just fine if not better than anyone that New York or Chicago has other than their primary scoring superstars.

[Kwhit10]

I agree. I think the Hawks have been easily one of the most under rated teams in this draft. They have what appears to be would be a great team defense and plus defenders at 4 starting positions and from at least one or two players from the bench. Their rebounding is good. They have one of the league's elite superduperstars.

I don't see what's not to like.

No primary wing defender, a small backcourt that is vulnerable on the backboards and defensively, and overall the lack of a scorer other than Durant.

Butler is 6'7'', Hinrich 6'3'', Redick 6'4''
Hinrich gets 3.5 rpg, Butler 3 rpg.
You should also remember Durant had the 2nd most rpg for a SF (behind Gerald Wallace).

[Fafnir]

I agree. I think the Hawks have been easily one of the most under rated teams in this draft. They have what appears to be would be a great team defense and plus defenders at 4 starting positions and from at least one or two players from the bench. Their rebounding is good. They have one of the league's elite superduperstars.

I don't see what's not to like.

No primary wing defender, a small backcourt that is vulnerable on the backboards and defensively, and overall the lack of a scorer other than Durant.

Well, I would consider Durant a primary wing defender

6'4", 6'3" and 6'2" from your stating SG, PG and primary back up PG and I'm not sure being small is that big a deal given who the C's won the championship with at those same positions. Also, since when is being vulnerable on the backboards from your guard positions a huge deal? That's a semi-new one on me.

I also believe Brand off the bench and Okur can score just fine if not better than anyone that New York or Chicago has other than their primary scoring superstars.

Atlanta's GM said himself that during the season Durant would not be used as a primary wing defender, instead he'd used Hinrich and Butler.

If Durant is their primary defender his offense is very likely to suffer. Also I don't think the rotation of Okur and Brand is as good as others.

Basically they're very similar to the Chicago team or the real life Cavs.

But instead of LeBron they have Durant, which is a huge downgrade.

[Fafnir]

I agree. I think the Hawks have been easily one of the most under rated teams in this draft. They have what appears to be would be a great team defense and plus defenders at 4 starting positions and from at least one or two players from the bench. Their rebounding is good. They have one of the league's elite superduperstars.

I don't see what's not to like.

No primary wing defender, a small backcourt that is vulnerable on the backboards and defensively, and overall the lack of a scorer other than Durant.

Butler is 6'7'', Hinrich 6'3'', Redick 6'4''
Hinrich gets 3 rpg, Butler 3.5 rpg.
You should also remember Durant had the 2nd most rpg for a SF (behind Gerald Wallace).

Rebounding of your backcourt is mainly an aspect of size, really its your big men and wing defender.

Butler and Hinrich won't get the job done.

[Kwhit10]

I agree. I think the Hawks have been easily one of the most under rated teams in this draft. They have what appears to be would be a great team defense and plus defenders at 4 starting positions and from at least one or two players from the bench. Their rebounding is good. They have one of the league's elite superduperstars.

I don't see what's not to like.

No primary wing defender, a small backcourt that is vulnerable on the backboards and defensively, and overall the lack of a scorer other than Durant.

Well, I would consider Durant a primary wing defender

6'4", 6'3" and 6'2" from your stating SG, PG and primary back up PG and I'm not sure being small is that big a deal given who the C's won the championship with at those same positions. Also, since when is being vulnerable on the backboards from your guard positions a huge deal? That's a semi-new one on me.

I also believe Brand off the bench and Okur can score just fine if not better than anyone that New York or Chicago has other than their primary scoring superstars.

Atlanta's GM said himself that during the season Durant would not be used as a primary wing defender, instead he'd used Hinrich and Butler.

If Durant is their primary defender his offense is very likely to suffer. Also I don't think the rotation of Okur and Brand is as good as others.

Basically they're very similar to the Chicago team or the real life Cavs.

But instead of LeBron they have Durant, which is a huge downgrade.

I don't think I said I wouldn't use Durant at all as a primary defender at all.  I was trying to get across that Durant will not shoulder the burden by himself.  But I won't hide him from defending the primary wing during games.  I was saying that he won't have to do it the entire game.

Durant is 21 years old.  This isn't some 30 year old Kobe playing off weaker offensive players trying to save his legs for his offense.

[nickagneta]

Here was my ballot:

Eastern Conference

1. Milwaukee
2. Atlanta
3. Chicago
4. New York
5. Charlotte Magic(Orlando)
6. Indiana
7. Seattle Supersonics(Charlotte)
8. Miami
9. Toronto
10. Boston
11. Cleveland
12. New Jersey
13. Philadelphia
14. Detroit

Western Conference

1. Denver
2. Phoenix
3. Lakers
4. New Orleans
5. Utah
6. Sacramento
7. Houston
8. Clippers
9. Minnesota
10. San Antonio
11. Oklahoma City
12. Golden State
13. Memphis
14. Dallas
15. Portland

[Fafnir]

I agree. I think the Hawks have been easily one of the most under rated teams in this draft. They have what appears to be would be a great team defense and plus defenders at 4 starting positions and from at least one or two players from the bench. Their rebounding is good. They have one of the league's elite superduperstars.

I don't see what's not to like.

No primary wing defender, a small backcourt that is vulnerable on the backboards and defensively, and overall the lack of a scorer other than Durant.

Well, I would consider Durant a primary wing defender

6'4", 6'3" and 6'2" from your stating SG, PG and primary back up PG and I'm not sure being small is that big a deal given who the C's won the championship with at those same positions. Also, since when is being vulnerable on the backboards from your guard positions a huge deal? That's a semi-new one on me.

I also believe Brand off the bench and Okur can score just fine if not better than anyone that New York or Chicago has other than their primary scoring superstars.

Atlanta's GM said himself that during the season Durant would not be used as a primary wing defender, instead he'd used Hinrich and Butler.

If Durant is their primary defender his offense is very likely to suffer. Also I don't think the rotation of Okur and Brand is as good as others.

Basically they're very similar to the Chicago team or the real life Cavs.

But instead of LeBron they have Durant, which is a huge downgrade.

I don't think I said I wouldn't use Durant at all as a primary defender at all.  I was trying to get across that Durant will not shoulder the burden by himself.  But I won't hide him from defending the primary wing during games.  I was saying that he won't have to do it the entire game.

Durant is 21 years old.  This isn't some 30 year old Kobe playing off weaker offensive players trying to save his legs for his offense.

You said they'd also be your go to defenders. I don't think you have enough defense on the wing without Durant shouldering a burden I don't think he can bear without a fall off of his offensive game.

I also don't like your Cs. Offensively I think you're entirely too reliant on Durant. He's an amazing offensive player, but he's not a creator yet he's a finisher.

[nickagneta]

I agree. I think the Hawks have been easily one of the most under rated teams in this draft. They have what appears to be would be a great team defense and plus defenders at 4 starting positions and from at least one or two players from the bench. Their rebounding is good. They have one of the league's elite superduperstars.

I don't see what's not to like.

No primary wing defender, a small backcourt that is vulnerable on the backboards and defensively, and overall the lack of a scorer other than Durant.

Well, I would consider Durant a primary wing defender

6'4", 6'3" and 6'2" from your stating SG, PG and primary back up PG and I'm not sure being small is that big a deal given who the C's won the championship with at those same positions. Also, since when is being vulnerable on the backboards from your guard positions a huge deal? That's a semi-new one on me.

I also believe Brand off the bench and Okur can score just fine if not better than anyone that New York or Chicago has other than their primary scoring superstars.

Atlanta's GM said himself that during the season Durant would not be used as a primary wing defender, instead he'd used Hinrich and Butler.

If Durant is their primary defender his offense is very likely to suffer. Also I don't think the rotation of Okur and Brand is as good as others.

Basically they're very similar to the Chicago team or the real life Cavs.

But instead of LeBron they have Durant, which is a huge downgrade.

I don't think I said I wouldn't use Durant at all as a primary defender at all.  I was trying to get across that Durant will not shoulder the burden by himself.  But I won't hide him from defending the primary wing during games.  I was saying that he won't have to do it the entire game.

Durant is 21 years old.  This isn't some 30 year old Kobe playing off weaker offensive players trying to save his legs for his offense.

Yeah how exactly does a 25 year old Lebron guard the primary wings and not let it effect his offense but a 21 year old Durant would have his offense hurt by being a primary wing defender? You are losing me there.

[Fafnir]

I agree. I think the Hawks have been easily one of the most under rated teams in this draft. They have what appears to be would be a great team defense and plus defenders at 4 starting positions and from at least one or two players from the bench. Their rebounding is good. They have one of the league's elite superduperstars.

I don't see what's not to like.

No primary wing defender, a small backcourt that is vulnerable on the backboards and defensively, and overall the lack of a scorer other than Durant.

Well, I would consider Durant a primary wing defender

6'4", 6'3" and 6'2" from your stating SG, PG and primary back up PG and I'm not sure being small is that big a deal given who the C's won the championship with at those same positions. Also, since when is being vulnerable on the backboards from your guard positions a huge deal? That's a semi-new one on me.

I also believe Brand off the bench and Okur can score just fine if not better than anyone that New York or Chicago has other than their primary scoring superstars.

Atlanta's GM said himself that during the season Durant would not be used as a primary wing defender, instead he'd used Hinrich and Butler.

If Durant is their primary defender his offense is very likely to suffer. Also I don't think the rotation of Okur and Brand is as good as others.

Basically they're very similar to the Chicago team or the real life Cavs.

But instead of LeBron they have Durant, which is a huge downgrade.

I don't think I said I wouldn't use Durant at all as a primary defender at all.  I was trying to get across that Durant will not shoulder the burden by himself.  But I won't hide him from defending the primary wing during games.  I was saying that he won't have to do it the entire game.

Durant is 21 years old.  This isn't some 30 year old Kobe playing off weaker offensive players trying to save his legs for his offense.

Yeah how exactly does a 25 year old Lebron guard the primary wings and not let it effect his offense but a 21 year old Durant would have his offense hurt by being a primary wing defender? You are losing me there.

LeBron wasn't as good primary defender at that age as he is now.

I also think its something Durant hasn't been asked to do his entire career they've had other wings and good defensive players around him. I feel his offense will suffer, and since Atlanta is entirely reliant on him to build their offense around that's a red flag for me.

I have them in the playoffs, but I don't love Atlanta.

[StartOrien]

Lebron's also a ridiculous physical specimen, while Durant is more lanky (in comparison to LBJ)

[action781]

My question for Atlanta is when you play Indiana, Chicago, and NY, when the jump ball goes up, who guards Kobe, Wade, and Lebron?

If it's JJ or Hinrich, Kobe is going off 12-14 in the first quarter and likely 35+ for the game.  If it's Durant playing D, I'm telling you, he will get awfully tired and it will affect his ability to then be the entire offense on the other end of the floor.

To the poster who asked why Lebron can do it and Durant cannot:  From what IP said, Tony Allen, who is lockdown, will guard the primary wing for 20 minutes per game or so.  Lebron will probably guard it for the other 20-24 minutes.  So that's not all game.  And Lebron does steroids, so he doesn't lose any energy playing defense.     OK, on a serious note, they still have Brandon Jennings who can create some offense so Lebron doesn't have to shoulder the entire offensive load like Durant will on his team.

[action781]

Lebron's also a ridiculous physical specimen, while Durant is more lanky (in comparison to LBJ)

Are any of you good basketball players (particularly defensively) who have been in a game with a bunch of players far inferior to you?  You are bigger, faster, more athletic, and know the game more.  You put in absolutely minimal effort on defense, but still seem able to block every shot?  That's what Lebron looks like when he plays defense against most players.  Sometimes even against stars like PP in the first quarter he looks like that.  Like he's not even trying that hard, but still always in front of his man yet still close (and tall) enough that the player is hesitant to shoot.

[Evantime34]

My team is a playoff team, I have the best point guard in the league. When was the last time the best player at any position in the NBA didn't at least make the playoffs? How about the second best player at any position? It just doesn't happen. That's not to say I don't have good defensive veterans throughout the team and young athletic fliers to run with Deron.

I understand that some people don't view my team as a contender for a championship but for me to not make the playoffs is ridiculous.

[Kwhit10]

My question for Atlanta is when you play Indiana, Chicago, and NY, when the jump ball goes up, who guards Kobe, Wade, and Lebron?

If it's JJ or Hinrich, Kobe is going off 12-14 in the first quarter and likely 35+ for the game.  If it's Durant playing D, I'm telling you, he will get awfully tired and it will affect his ability to then be the entire offense on the other end of the floor.

To the poster who asked why Lebron can do it and Durant cannot:  From what IP said, Tony Allen, who is lockdown, will guard the primary wing for 20 minutes per game or so.  Lebron will probably guard it for the other 20-24 minutes.  So that's not all game.  And Lebron does steroids, so he doesn't lose any energy playing defense.     OK, on a serious note, they still have Brandon Jennings who can create some offense so Lebron doesn't have to shoulder the entire offensive load like Durant will on his team.

Look super stars are going to get their points that's why they're superstars.  You act like everyone has a team that will completely shut down these players. 

As we've seen in the playoffs Durant did a pretty good job when he guarded Kobe.  Are you going to have Kobe guarding all the other superstars?  He's not in his 20's anymore he doesn't have the legs like Durant/Wade/LeBron to chase around other premier players and still have enough left on the other end of the court.

[StartOrien]

My team is a playoff team, I have the best point guard in the league. When was the last time the best player at any position in the NBA didn't at least make the playoffs? How about the second best player at any position? It just doesn't happen. That's not to say I don't have good defensive veterans throughout the team and young athletic fliers to run with Deron.

I understand that some people don't view my team as a contender for a championship but for me to not make the playoffs is ridiculous.

Evantime, I think you're better off explaining why your team would excel over some of the others. Your last couple posts have presented little outside of displaying that you're quite upset with some of the rankings.