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[Roy H.]

SO...anyone want to discuss the fragility and likely ability of injury of Andrew Bynum versus that of Greg Oden and Yao Ming?

Bynum has played in 50 games and since the All-Star break is putting up the following numbers:

31.3 MPG, 11.9 PPG, 12.8 RPG, 4.3 ORPG, 2.6 BPG, 0.6 SPG, 60% FG%.

Jinxed?

[KCattheStripe]

SO...anyone want to discuss the fragility and likely ability of injury of Andrew Bynum versus that of Greg Oden and Yao Ming?

Bynum has played in 50 games and since the All-Star break is putting up the following numbers:

31.3 MPG, 11.9 PPG, 12.8 RPG, 4.3 ORPG, 2.6 BPG, 0.6 SPG, 60% FG%.

Jinxed?

Too soon?

[Roy H.]

So, that Zach Randolph guy...  he's pretty good, huh?

[mgent]

I might actually be starting to like him.  He's got to be up there for most underrated player.

[Roy H.]

I might actually be starting to like him.  He's got to be up there for most underrated player.

i think what he's shown are:

1) He's not necessarily a team killer, and can in fact be a decent leader; and

2) His defense is a lot better than advertised (well, a lot better than advertised by anybody but myself in this thread).

[mgent]

I might actually be starting to like him.  He's got to be up there for most underrated player.

i think what he's shown are:

1) He's not necessarily a team killer, and can in fact be a decent leader; and

2) His defense is a lot better than advertised (well, a lot better than advertised by anybody but myself in this thread).

Yeah he's proven to be at least an average defender.  But I think there are several below average defenders who would play much better if/when they finally start playing with a team-focused defense.  A lot of people disagree with me when I say it was Tony Allen that turned this team around but he's finally doing what Gasol couldn't and defense is just so huge in the playoffs.

I'm still not buying your Boozer defense argument though  (or was that the other draft?).  Regardless of the coaching and personnel around him I still don't see good overall defense.

[Roy H.]

I might actually be starting to like him.  He's got to be up there for most underrated player.

i think what he's shown are:

1) He's not necessarily a team killer, and can in fact be a decent leader; and

2) His defense is a lot better than advertised (well, a lot better than advertised by anybody but myself in this thread).

Yeah he's proven to be at least an average defender.  But I think there are several below average defenders who would play much better if/when they finally start playing with a team-focused defense.  A lot of people disagree with me when I say it was Tony Allen that turned this team around but he's finally doing what Gasol couldn't and defense is just so huge in the playoffs.

I'm still not buying your Boozer defense argument though   (or was that the other draft?).  Regardless of the coaching and personnel around him I still don't see good overall defense.

Let me make you appreciate Boozer:

He's a key piece on the #1 defense in the league, which is hard if you're an atrocious defender.  With Noah out, it was Boozer playing center, and he did very well.  Boozer allowed opponents to shoot 40.5% against him this year, which pretty good.  (For perspective -- and I'm not equating these two -- KG's opponents shoot 39.2%).

I'd put Boozer into the "average" category, and Randolph as slightly above average.  And hey, the way they've played this year, I don't care what type of defense they play:  nobody is beating Boozer / Randolph / Rose.

[indeedproceed]

Picking up Tony Allen, Landry Fields, and Omer Asik were pretty awesome picks.

[Roy H.]

Picking up Tony Allen, Landry Fields, and Omer Asik were pretty awesome picks.

Don't you have an article to be writing?

But yeah, Chicago's bench looks a lot better in hindsight.  Too bad Miller, Jennings, and Ilyasova largely sucked. 

[indeedproceed]

Picking up Tony Allen, Landry Fields, and Omer Asik were pretty awesome picks.

Don't you have an article to be writing?

But yeah, Chicago's bench looks a lot better in hindsight.  Too bad Miller, Jennings, and Ilyasova largely sucked.

Indeed.

[mgent]

I might actually be starting to like him.  He's got to be up there for most underrated player.

i think what he's shown are:

1) He's not necessarily a team killer, and can in fact be a decent leader; and

2) His defense is a lot better than advertised (well, a lot better than advertised by anybody but myself in this thread).

Yeah he's proven to be at least an average defender.  But I think there are several below average defenders who would play much better if/when they finally start playing with a team-focused defense.  A lot of people disagree with me when I say it was Tony Allen that turned this team around but he's finally doing what Gasol couldn't and defense is just so huge in the playoffs.

I'm still not buying your Boozer defense argument though   (or was that the other draft?).  Regardless of the coaching and personnel around him I still don't see good overall defense.

Let me make you appreciate Boozer:

He's a key piece on the #1 defense in the league, which is hard if you're an atrocious defender.  With Noah out, it was Boozer playing center, and he did very well.  Boozer allowed opponents to shoot 40.5% against him this year, which pretty good.  (For perspective -- and I'm not equating these two -- KG's opponents shoot 39.2%).

I'd put Boozer into the "average" category, and Randolph as slightly above average.  And hey, the way they've played this year, I don't care what type of defense they play:  nobody is beating Boozer / Randolph / Rose.

While his allowed % is lower than I would have estimated from the eye test, I still hate his help defense, and I can't help but wonder how much his teammates' help defense effects the numbers.  Between Noah, all the games Thomas started, and Chicago's tough perimeter defense (Bogans, Deng, Brewer, Watson) I would call Boozer anything but "key" to their defense.

I'd say all his mistakes alone would take him out of the average category.