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[action781]

PG: Darren Collison
SG: OJ Mayo, DeMar DeRozan
SF: Thabo Sefolosha
PF: Jermaine O'Neal, Glen Davis
C: Chris Kaman, Marreese Speights

Really  like my depth now. 4 frontcourt guys who can be depended on. Everyone on this team can defend as well. Mayo may be undersized against some 2 guards but DeRozan has the size to come in and help with that.

Speights is going to blow up this year and we all know what Big Baby brings.

I want baby in his elbow jumper shooting role from 09. He is less effective in the post.

DeRozan will start for Toronto this year. He was super efficient as a rookie and should get even better as he gets a feel for the NBA game. He has the athletic ability to get to the rim and be a 18ppg player. He is also a plus rebounder at his position.

Bumping this because I didnt get much feedback.

Today I made an early trade Marc Gasol for Kaman plus 26 spots in the 6th round.

I then picked up Sefolosha, DeRozan, BBD, and Speights to give my team great depth. I still need a backup PG but I like the balance on my team so far.

I think I might start Speights at the 4...not sure yet. (Thanks for the suggestion IP)

Baseless statements like "Speights is going to blow up this year" are quite pointless.  Firstly, Speights showed incredibly little, if any, improvement last season from his rookie season.  Secondly, he didn't show much progression as the season went on either.  Only thrice did he grab 10+ boards in a game last season.  So that statement means nothing and makes me further question all of your logic/reasoning as well.

I like your Collison/Mayo combo as guards and Sefalosha is indeed a very good defender, so you've got a good backcourt.  JO and Kaman is a slow, old, below average frontcourt though.  Luckily, you've got some depth behind it.  Kaman will give you good #s and fit that team well offensively.  Speights can also score.  I think as a starting tandem, they won't be very good defensively though and your bench doesn't help that.

Prognosis:  37-42 wins

Kaman is old? He is 28 and coming off of a career year. Jermaine O'Neal is also only 31 and he is still a really good defender.

Below average? I think THAT statement is baseless. Unless you consider a combination of an all star and the starting center for the Boston Celtics below average.

Sorry I offended you with a little hyperbole about Speights. Given the opportunity, he has the tools to become a great scorer. As a bench player, he is a nice piece.

Touche, friend.  Kaman just looks incredibly old haha.  I do think JO is old though, older than his age indicates because he came straight from high school and has had so many injuries.  He's survived 70+ games in a season only once since '04.  If I were to rank Kaman as a center, I'd probably rank him roughly around 7th.  As a PF, I'd probably rank JO around 20-30 (me, personally on the lower half, others maybe the upper half)?  Average those numbers together and I think you get a below average starting frontcourt (the expected average being 15).  That was the base behind my statement.  I agree it did appear baseless, but the reasoning behind the statement was not.

[action781]

CLEVELAND CAVS :

PG: Mike Conley Jr.
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Carmelo Anthony-James Posey
PF: Troy Murphy-Jason Thompson
C : Shaq O'Neil-Joel Pryzbila
Picks:  8.8, 9.23, 10.8, 11.23, 12.8, 13.23

Would love you guys to analyze my team, even the trades I made, the good the bad the ugly as Lucky put it!

Quit hogging, Cleveland!  You've had your turn!   

[nickagneta]

CLEVELAND CAVS after todays picks and trade.

 The BEST BEST team around!!

PG: Mike Conley Jr.
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Carmelo Anthony-James Posey
PF: Troy Murphy-Jason Thompson
C : Shaq O'Neil-Joel Pryzbila

I thought Conley and Monta would work better than Monta and Caron also Murph is a Dbl Dbl.

I like what you have done. I think Conley had a bit of a down year last year after showing some great stuff the year before but that might have been caused by the Grizzlies showing little confidence in him and bringing in Allen Iverson that might have messed his head up some. He really seemed to have a good run post All-Star game for the second straight year and I tkink he is more solid than some give him credit for being.

That said bringing him in and moving Evans to SG and having only two main gunners in the offense will make it much more fluid and efficient. The move of Murphy for Butler will help solidify your rebounding and allow Thompson to grow as first big off the bench and he really can play both big positions so that's good given you know you can't run Shaq out there 30 MPG and you don't know the status of Przybilla just yet.

Really approve of everything you did today. Good work.

[indeedproceed]

So lets say all middle linebackers are like 6'2, 250 or so...

And lets say there is one middle linebacker that is like 6'1, 220 that was way faster had a knack for sniffing out the ball.

Now you don't let that backer just sit on the 1 and 2 holes. He'll get eaten alive if those big linemen get their paws on him. No, you want that backer roving around, making plays, making the defense always be looking over their shoulder for where he's going to come from next.

That's what Josh Smith is, but in basketball. That's why you don't let him play the 4 straight up, and you don't have him play the 3 straight up...you give up some of those short yardage situations but in the end you get a lot more from those big sacks and tackles for losses and fumbles he's capable of.

/rant.

[Donoghus]

So lets say all middle linebackers are like 6'2, 250 or so...

And lets say there is one middle linebacker that is like 6'1, 220 that was way faster had a knack for sniffing out the ball.

Now you don't let that backer just sit on the 1 and 2 holes. He'll get eaten alive if those big linemen get their paws on him. No, you want that backer roving around, making plays, making the defense always be looking over their shoulder for where he's going to come from next.

That's what Josh Smith is, but in basketball. That's why you don't let him play the 4 straight up, and you don't have him play the 3 straight up...you give up some of those short yardage situations but in the end you get a lot more from those big sacks and tackles for losses and fumbles he's capable of.

/rant.

Actually, that's a pretty solid analogy.

[celticpride07]

It's not like O'Neal is immobile. He can run. I never understand that argument. There is a reason why going small doesnt work for more than 5 minute stretches, and that the Suns don't have 5 championships by now...size wins. You can't outrun everyone, especially in the playoffs.

size doesn't always win..the point about JO is that he would have an extremely difficult time keeping up and guarding Josh Smith..as we know Smith gives Garnett trouble and i don't think JO has much of a chance.

[Gomesfan]

CLEVELAND CAVS after todays picks and trade.

 The BEST BEST team around!!

PG: Mike Conley Jr.
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Carmelo Anthony-James Posey
PF: Troy Murphy-Jason Thompson
C : Shaq O'Neil-Joel Pryzbila

I thought Conley and Monta would work better than Monta and Caron also Murph is a Dbl Dbl.

Good trade; I really didn't see a Monta/Caron backcourt working.  I like this team offensively.  This team should put up close to 100 per game.  I think working of 'Melo will make Monta more of an efficient offensive player.  I don't like this team defensively.  Your best defenders are bench players who will see most of their playing time against other bench players.  I don't see anybody on your team who is quick enough to guard Kobe or Wade.  I also see this team struggling defending athletic bigs. 

Prognosis:  50 wins.

Great analyzing job! i didn't see this earlier you are good at analyzing... I stink at it. I figured my team was about 56 win team.

[nickagneta]

PG: Darren Collison
SG: OJ Mayo, DeMar DeRozan
SF: Thabo Sefolosha
PF: Jermaine O'Neal, Glen Davis
C: Chris Kaman, Marreese Speights

I'm not exactly sure how this team is going to mesh on the court. Collison is young and talented as is Mayo but I just don't know that either can actually be a floor general/leader/offensive catalyst type that this team seems to be screaming for.

You also basically don't have a small forward. Sefolosha, who I love and thought was a brilliant pick up, is a great wing stopper at the 2 who should be coming off your bench. Make the decision, him or DeRozan as you bench wing and then trade the other for a starting quality SF.

I think Kaman is a solid starting center but the other three guys are bench guys at this point in their careers. You might best be served starting Baby and using O'neal as your backup center and Speights as your 4th big.

I don't know. You have some great parts, I just don't know if they mesh.

[Gomesfan]

Nick you good at analyzing as well!!!

[celticpride07]

So lets say all middle linebackers are like 6'2, 250 or so...

And lets say there is one middle linebacker that is like 6'1, 220 that was way faster had a knack for sniffing out the ball.

Now you don't let that backer just sit on the 1 and 2 holes. He'll get eaten alive if those big linemen get their paws on him. No, you want that backer roving around, making plays, making the defense always be looking over their shoulder for where he's going to come from next.

That's what Josh Smith is, but in basketball. That's why you don't let him play the 4 straight up, and you don't have him play the 3 straight up...you give up some of those short yardage situations but in the end you get a lot more from those big sacks and tackles for losses and fumbles he's capable of.

/rant.

Actually, that's a pretty solid analogy.

Lets just say if smith was starting at small forward. That doesn't mean hes going to do everything a typical small forward does.  Smith just has such a unique game...and you can't say that because smith is starting at small forward means i'm gonna win 10 fewer games...i think that's crazy to say that.

[Donoghus]

So lets say all middle linebackers are like 6'2, 250 or so...

And lets say there is one middle linebacker that is like 6'1, 220 that was way faster had a knack for sniffing out the ball.

Now you don't let that backer just sit on the 1 and 2 holes. He'll get eaten alive if those big linemen get their paws on him. No, you want that backer roving around, making plays, making the defense always be looking over their shoulder for where he's going to come from next.

That's what Josh Smith is, but in basketball. That's why you don't let him play the 4 straight up, and you don't have him play the 3 straight up...you give up some of those short yardage situations but in the end you get a lot more from those big sacks and tackles for losses and fumbles he's capable of.

/rant.

Actually, that's a pretty solid analogy.

Lets just say if smith was starting at small forward. That doesn't mean hes going to do everything a typical small forward does.  Smith just has such a unique game...and you can't say that because smith is starting at small forward means i'm gonna win 10 fewer games...i think that's crazy to say that.

Who said that you'd win 10 fewer games? I think what some people are simply pointing out is that Smith is extremely athletic but has some obvious flaws that will exploited one way or another by playing the 3 or the 4.

[celticpride07]

So lets say all middle linebackers are like 6'2, 250 or so...

And lets say there is one middle linebacker that is like 6'1, 220 that was way faster had a knack for sniffing out the ball.

Now you don't let that backer just sit on the 1 and 2 holes. He'll get eaten alive if those big linemen get their paws on him. No, you want that backer roving around, making plays, making the defense always be looking over their shoulder for where he's going to come from next.

That's what Josh Smith is, but in basketball. That's why you don't let him play the 4 straight up, and you don't have him play the 3 straight up...you give up some of those short yardage situations but in the end you get a lot more from those big sacks and tackles for losses and fumbles he's capable of.

/rant.

Actually, that's a pretty solid analogy.

Lets just say if smith was starting at small forward. That doesn't mean hes going to do everything a typical small forward does.  Smith just has such a unique game...and you can't say that because smith is starting at small forward means i'm gonna win 10 fewer games...i think that's crazy to say that.

Who said that you'd win 10 fewer games? I think what some people are simply pointing out is that Smith is extremely athletic but has some obvious flaws that will exploited one way or another by playing the 3 or the 4.

someone said my team with josh smith at SF would have a hard time winning games...

[nickagneta]

Would appreciate some feedback on my squad: good, bad, or indifferent:

Head Coach: Jeff Van Gundy
PG: Tony Parker
SG: Caron Butler, Aron Afflalo
SF: Danny Granger, [Butler]
PF: J.J. Hickson
C:  Samuel Dalembert, Zaza Pachulia

Love the coach. Good choice.

I think your weakness will be your frontcourt. I think Parker, Butler, Afflalo and Granger are a great combination of talent and offensive scoring ability from just about any way possible(long range shooting, mid range shooting, fast break, passing, taking it off the dribble and to the whole to finish). Afflalo and Parker are a very good defensive back court as Afflalo can pick up the slack defensively where Parker is weak. really like this part of your team.

But up front, there is absolutely zero offensively. Dalambert and Pachulia are a good defensive, rebounding, physical center combo but without a PF who can create his own offense and be that "guy" in the front court, their contributions will go for not.

Sorry, I'm not sold on Hickson. He has to have that prove it to me year before I give him the starting nod on a team that has the ability that your wings and back court does. I think the frontcourt will be this teams downfall as you will get little to no offense from it on a nightly basis.

[Greenbean]

Touche, friend.  Kaman just looks incredibly old haha.  I do think JO is old though, older than his age indicates because he came straight from high school and has had so many injuries.  He's survived 70+ games in a season only once since '04.  If I were to rank Kaman as a center, I'd probably rank him roughly around 7th.  As a PF, I'd probably rank JO around 20-30 (me, personally on the lower half, others maybe the upper half)?  Average those numbers together and I think you get a below average starting frontcourt (the expected average being 15).  That was the base behind my statement.  I agree it did appear baseless, but the reasoning behind the statement was not.
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Yeah Caveman doesnt look like he should be an all star center...he looks like Chris Elliot actually. One of the top 5 ugliest NBA players.

JO at the 4 is certainly up for debate. I think he will have a good year. Not all will agree.

TP for the analysis!

[indeedproceed]

CLEVELAND CAVS after todays picks and trade.

 The BEST BEST team around!!

PG: Mike Conley Jr.
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Carmelo Anthony-James Posey
PF: Troy Murphy-Jason Thompson
C : Shaq O'Neil-Joel Pryzbila

I thought Conley and Monta would work better than Monta and Caron also Murph is a Dbl Dbl.

Good trade; I really didn't see a Monta/Caron backcourt working.  I like this team offensively.  This team should put up close to 100 per game.  I think working of 'Melo will make Monta more of an efficient offensive player.  I don't like this team defensively.  Your best defenders are bench players who will see most of their playing time against other bench players.  I don't see anybody on your team who is quick enough to guard Kobe or Wade.  I also see this team struggling defending athletic bigs.  

Prognosis:  50 wins.

Great analyzing job! i didn't see this earlier you are good at analyzing... I stink at it. I figured my team was about 56 win team.

Defensively, your team is kinda behind the pack by a significant margin though Gomesfan...Conley and Monta..neither one has shown a particular ability to defend all that well. Monta barely breaks even at SG (meaning he scores about as many points as he allows his own matchup to score), and Conely is behind.

Carmelo should always score more than his counterpart, but defensively he is kind of like a kid with ADD (SQUIRREL!), in that he's there one minute, focused, and gone the next.

Murphy is as much a center as he is a 4, and he usually lets in more than he scores, and as we've all seen Shaq is not really a top tier defender anymore.

Pryzbilla and Posey are both good defenders, but there is good reason to question just exactly how well they will fare next season. Posey is coming off of a largely inefficient and unmotivated year, and he's going to a team that should be firmly out of playoff contention, and Pryzbilla is coming off his 5th NBA season of less than 50 games played because of injury, and he's only played 10 years total.