Celtics discussing a Jamison/Butler for Ray/Scal/JR trade according to Y!Sports

[Drucci]

Source : Adrian Wojnarowski from Y! Sports

In a dramatic move that would resuscitate their fading championship hopes, the Boston Celtics are discussing a deal with the Washington Wizards for forwards Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Friday.

The proposed deal would send the expiring contracts of Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine and J.R. Giddens to the Wizards, a move that would signal the start of Washington’s rebuilding process.

The trade isn’t imminent, but talks have progressed and Celtics GM Danny Ainge has positioned his organization to make one of the boldest trade deadline moves in years. For the Celtics, ownership would have to agree to take on an additional $24 million in salary next season between Jamison and Butler. Jamison makes more than $15 million in 2011-12, but most owners are discounting those salaries because of an assumption that there will be a labor lockout and some, if not all, of that money will never be paid to the players.
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Sources expected the two teams to talk further Friday and throughout the weekend in Dallas.

Both Boston and Washington still have discussions with several teams in the works, including a potential Wizards-Mavericks deal that league sources insisted was discussed well into Thursday night in Dallas.

Washington has offered Butler and DeShawn Stevenson(notes) for the Mavericks’ Josh Howard(notes) and a small expiring contract. There were strong signals on late Thursday that deal was getting close, but one source with knowledge of the talks said that Mavs owner Mark Cuban wasn’t prepared to commit to the move and wanted to keep shopping.

For now, that hesitancy leaves open the possibility of Boston’s aging core regaining its footing as a championship contender. Sources insist that Boston’s ownership is in an aggressive mode and determined to back Ainge in his desire to get younger and more athletic without sacrificing the short term for the long term. Boston desperately needs quickness on its frontline, and Jamison, a 6-foot-9 forward, and Butler, a 6-7 swingman, are players with All-Star pedigrees. With the unstable knee of Kevin Garnett and shoddy play of Rasheed Wallace), this move could potentially give the Celtics the ability to fortify its frontcourt with two of the most desired players on the trade market.

Boston has swooned to fourth in the Eastern Conference, stumbling into the All-Star break with turmoil surrounding the team. The Celtics are 32-18, and just four games ahead of the surging Toronto Raptors in the Atlantic Division.

The possibility of Boston prying Jamison out of Washington has to be unsettling to the Cleveland Cavaliers. GM Danny Ferry has coveted Jamison for two years, and has made him his No. 1 priority at the trade deadline. The Cavaliers have several contingency plans for losing out on Jamison – topped with Indiana’s Troy Murphy(notes) – but losing Jamison to conference rival Boston would be particularly piercing for the Cavs.

Washington is still part of a lingering, but stalled three-team discussion with New York and Houston that would send Tracy McGrady to the Knicks, Al Harrington and Larry Hughes to the Wizards and Caron Butler and possibly Mike Miller to the Houston Rockets.

[indeedproceed]

Way to break the news, Brokaw. This is a story I could get behind.

[Kwhit10]

Wow, Butler and Jamison?  That's a lot of money, but that is also a lot of talent returning.

[crownsy]

Wow, If this goes down, as crappy as it will be to lose ray, We'd get an incredible amount of talent back.

I will also, quite happily, be eating crow about teams not trading top talent for purley expiring contracts

I'll owe evan like 100 TP's

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Interesting. Who comes off the bench?

[crownsy]

Interesting. Who comes off the bench?

And who plays the 2?

I don't think Paul is quick enough to defend two's on the premieter anymore, can butler?

Assuming butler can I'd say you rotation looks like:

PG: Rondo/Dainels
SG: Butler/ Daniels/ TA
SF: Pierce/ Butler/ Ta/ Daniels
PF: KG/ JAmision/ davis
C: Perk/ Sheed/ Davis

The above is pretty rock solid, in particular, look at that wing rotation

[Drucci]

Interesting. Who comes off the bench?

And who plays the 2?

I don't think Paul is quick enough to defend two's on the premieter anymore, can butler?

Assuming butler can I'd say you rotation looks like:

PG: Rondo/Dainels
SG: Butler/ Daniels/ TA
SF: Pierce/ Butler/ Ta/ Daniels
PF: KG/ JAmision/ davis
C: Perk/ Sheed/ Davis

The above is pretty rock solid, in particular, look at that wing rotation

I think that if this deal gets done, Danny ships Big Baby to Charlotte to get Augustin.

Then you have the starting lineup of Rondo/Butler/Pierce/KG/Perk and a sick bench of Augustin/House or TA/Marquis/Jamison/Sheed.

Pretty awesome.

And one of the best things in this deal is that we would screw Cleveland and their hopes of getting Jamison... they've been after him for two years and LeBron wants him badly. I can't think of a better trade scenario, really.

I would hate to see Ray go and I've been saying we should keep him no matter what but I can't refuse such a deal... let's hope it will get done and this is just not discussions gone public that won't happen.

[ssspence]

Interesting. Who comes off the bench?

And who plays the 2?

I don't think Paul is quick enough to defend two's on the premieter anymore, can butler?
 
Assuming butler can I'd say you rotation looks like:

PG: Rondo/Dainels
SG: Butler/ Daniels/ TA
SF: Pierce/ Butler/ Ta/ Daniels
PF: KG/ JAmision/ davis
C: Perk/ Sheed/ Davis

The above is pretty rock solid, in particular, look at that wing rotation

Exactly. Butler would play more 2 than PP, but I think you'd see a ton of Marquis at the 2.

Presumably Paul and KG would immediately reduce their minutes by about 10 a game for the short term. I don't care how many times people say KG needs to play to get into rythm... he needs to take it down a notch and get rest over the next two months.

[Edgar]

Interesting. Who comes off the bench?

And who plays the 2?

I don't think Paul is quick enough to defend two's on the premieter anymore, can butler?

Assuming butler can I'd say you rotation looks like:

PG: Rondo/Dainels
SG: Butler/ Daniels/ TA
SF: Pierce/ Butler/ Ta/ Daniels
PF: KG/ JAmision/ davis
C: Perk/ Sheed/ Davis

The above is pretty rock solid, in particular, look at that wing rotation

Ray Allen.
Hes coming back!!
Greedy i know


Rondo  ,  one towel
Ray    , Daniels
Pierce  , Butler
KG,      Jamison
Perk,    Sheed

that bench is a contender

[Gomesfan]

I propsed this deal weeks ago and you all luaghed at me. I am on my phone now but will post the link later

[celts55]

Interesting. Who comes off the bench?

And who plays the 2?

I don't think Paul is quick enough to defend two's on the premieter anymore, can butler?

Assuming butler can I'd say you rotation looks like:

PG: Rondo/Dainels
SG: Butler/ Daniels/ TA
SF: Pierce/ Butler/ Ta/ Daniels
PF: KG/ JAmision/ davis
C: Perk/ Sheed/ Davis

The above is pretty rock solid, in particular, look at that wing rotation

I don't see Jamison coming off the bench. Given this team I think they start Rondo, Pierce, Jamison, KG, and Perk. A bench of Butler, Wallace, Daniels, Davis, Allen and don't forget House would be pretty dam good.

Would I seem piggy if I suggest they package House and TA for a real back up point?

[JSD]

I can't see this happening, the C's just don't have the young pieces for it. The NBA people around the league would be up in arms worse than the Gasol trade (although, Marc Gasol has made that trade look a lot better).

If it does happen though:

edit: Actually, probably inappropriate. but look up Lonely Island #### in my pants on youtube.

[Slugger]

I can't see this happening, the C's just don't have the young pieces for it. The NBA people around the league would be up in arms worse than the Gasol trade (although, Marc Gasol has made that trade look a lot better).

If it does happen though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY

I think you are over looking the potential of Giddens, as they did with the younger Gasol. 

[crownsy]

Interesting. Who comes off the bench?

And who plays the 2?

I don't think Paul is quick enough to defend two's on the premieter anymore, can butler?

Assuming butler can I'd say you rotation looks like:

PG: Rondo/Dainels
SG: Butler/ Daniels/ TA
SF: Pierce/ Butler/ Ta/ Daniels
PF: KG/ JAmision/ davis
C: Perk/ Sheed/ Davis

The above is pretty rock solid, in particular, look at that wing rotation

I don't see Jamison coming off the bench. Given this team I think they start Rondo, Pierce, Jamison, KG, and Perk. A bench of Butler, Wallace, Daniels, Davis, Allen and don't forget House would be pretty dam good.

Would I seem piggy if I suggest they package House and TA for a real back up point?

I don't think paul can play the 2 at this point in his career, and Jamision doesn't have the foot speed to hang with good SF's on the premiter

Jamision either starts at the 4 or comes off the bench as or true 6th man, the role we got sheed for.

[ssspence]

Interesting. Who comes off the bench?

And who plays the 2?

I don't think Paul is quick enough to defend two's on the premieter anymore, can butler?

Assuming butler can I'd say you rotation looks like:

PG: Rondo/Dainels
SG: Butler/ Daniels/ TA
SF: Pierce/ Butler/ Ta/ Daniels
PF: KG/ JAmision/ davis
C: Perk/ Sheed/ Davis

The above is pretty rock solid, in particular, look at that wing rotation

I think that if this deal gets done, Danny ships Big Baby to Charlotte to get Augustin.

Then you have the starting lineup of Rondo/Butler/Pierce/KG/Perk and a sick bench of Augustin/House or TA/Marquis/Jamison/Sheed.

Pretty awesome.

And one of the best things in this deal is that we would screw Cleveland and their hopes of getting Jamison... they've been after him for two years and LeBron wants him badly. I can't think of a better trade scenario, really.

I would hate to see Ray go and I've been saying we should keep him no matter what but I can't refuse such a deal... let's hope it will get done and this is just not discussions gone public that won't happen.

A couple of great points here, Drucci.

I thought about the Cleveland factor. Grunfeld would probably enjoy this deal quite a bit, considering Ferry's been calling him every day for a year to get Jamison.

And the Augustin idea is a great one -- Baby becomes a bit redundant with that much depth at the 3 and 4.

It also may not be a coincidence that the Wizards pick Ray over Al Harrington or Howard and Dampier. Even if it's only for a few months, they need the influence of truly professional veterans badly there. Ray would provide that above others.