What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

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Man the Lions players were harsh.  I can't say they were wrong, but I don't think I've seen a collective set of players be that harsh to an opposing player before, during, and after the game.

This is my thing. If Orton had done the exact same thing...no big deal.  If Tebow does it somehow that means he can't play.

But Orton doesn't do the exact same thing.  Sure Orton may have a downright awful game, but it isn't because he can't throw the ball, or can't make the right decision, or gets flustered.

That is the difference. 

Tebow just flat out can't play QB at a NFL QB level.  He just can't. 

People seem to be forgetting that Orton was very respectable his first 2 seasons with Denver.

[Eja117]

Then what is Orton's excuse or any other Qb's for that matter? Tim apparently can't play and has no skills, but somehow miraculously through the grace of God or something eeks out wins and come backs, while all these other QBs have all these respectable skills and lose. Give me the winner no matter how ugly.   We need a bigger sample size

[Chris]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

Right, and I think Tebow could put up similar type numbers on the larger field in the CFL, with softer coverage, recievers getting running starts, etc.

Why, he can't even crack 50% in the NFL, while Flutie who was well past his prime was hitting at a 56.5%.  They aren't the same.

He has been in the league for a year and a half, and everyone acknowledges he needs to work on his mechanics.  For a QB, that experience is huge.  I think, if someone were to actually slow things down with him, and let him work on the mechanics, then he could be a decent passer. 

So, I think if he were to go away for 4 years, he might come back a significantly more accurate thrower.

[Fafnir]

People seem to be forgetting that Orton was very respectable his first 2 seasons with Denver.

Yup, and he was solid in Chicago too. Average to below average QB depending on the talent you put around him, that has value in the NFL but is no use to a rebuilding team like Denver.

For all the winner talk, Orton's won an awful lot until he got to Denver. I doubt Tebow can do any better no matter how much of a "winner" he is.

So far he's 2-3 as a QB, and the teams he's beaten haven't been very good. We definitely need a bigger sample size, but so far all the indicators we have on Tebow is that he's not going to be very good.

[Fafnir]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

Right, and I think Tebow could put up similar type numbers on the larger field in the CFL, with softer coverage, recievers getting running starts, etc.

Why, he can't even crack 50% in the NFL, while Flutie who was well past his prime was hitting at a 56.5%.  They aren't the same.

He has been in the league for a year and a half, and everyone acknowledges he needs to work on his mechanics.  For a QB, that experience is huge.  I think, if someone were to actually slow things down with him, and let him work on the mechanics, then he could be a decent passer.  

So, I think if he were to go away for 4 years, he might come back a significantly more accurate thrower.

I don't think he's going to ever have the sort of footwork that would allow him to become more accurate. His arm is well below average for an NFL arm and his motion is inefficient as well.

Footwork is so much a matter of rhythm and muscule memory its very hard to improve it that much.

[Donoghus]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

Right, and I think Tebow could put up similar type numbers on the larger field in the CFL, with softer coverage, recievers getting running starts, etc.

Why, he can't even crack 50% in the NFL, while Flutie who was well past his prime was hitting at a 56.5%.  They aren't the same.

He has been in the league for a year and a half, and everyone acknowledges he needs to work on his mechanics.  For a QB, that experience is huge.  I think, if someone were to actually slow things down with him, and let him work on the mechanics, then he could be a decent passer.  

So, I think if he were to go away for 4 years, he might come back a significantly more accurate thrower.

I don't think he's going to ever have the sort of footwork that would allow him to become more accurate. His arm is well below average for an NFL arm and his motion is inefficient as well.

Footwork is so much a matter of rhythm and muscule memory its very hard to improve it that much.

His throwing mechanics and pccket presence are as bad as you'll ever see from an NFL quarterback.


That's not saying that he'll never succeed but he needs to make leaps and bounds in improvements if he's going to be a starter in this league.

IMO, the odds are long that he'll be able to do it.

[Moranis]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

Right, and I think Tebow could put up similar type numbers on the larger field in the CFL, with softer coverage, recievers getting running starts, etc.

Why, he can't even crack 50% in the NFL, while Flutie who was well past his prime was hitting at a 56.5%.  They aren't the same.

He has been in the league for a year and a half, and everyone acknowledges he needs to work on his mechanics.  For a QB, that experience is huge.  I think, if someone were to actually slow things down with him, and let him work on the mechanics, then he could be a decent passer.  

So, I think if he were to go away for 4 years, he might come back a significantly more accurate thrower.

I don't think he's going to ever have the sort of footwork that would allow him to become more accurate. His arm is well below average for an NFL arm and his motion is inefficient as well.

Footwork is so much a matter of rhythm and muscule memory its very hard to improve it that much.

His throwing mechanics and pccket presence are as bad as you'll ever see from an NFL quarterback.


That's not saying that he'll never succeed but he needs to make leaps and bounds in improvements if he's going to be a starter in this league.

IMO, the odds are long that he'll be able to do it.

It would be one thing if he had made any sort of improvement in any of those things since he left Florida, but the reality is he just hasn't.  He still is as bad with his mechanic's and footwork as the day he left Florida and he has been working on that stuff pretty much non-stop since he left.  If he hasn't improved at all yet, he is never going to.  When he flames out against Oakland hopefully that is the last we hear about him for a long time. 

[Finkelskyhook]

Too bad there isn't an NFDL.  Tebow is the poster boy for a development league.

As is, I see him as either a safety or an H-back.

[indeedproceed]

I just need one week, Tim Tebow. I need at least 1 passing TD, 60 yards rushing, and a rushing TD.

Come on, Tim Tebow.

[Eja117]

One has to admit that Tebow is probably the greatest QB who can't play in the NFL of all time.  Right?

[Moranis]

38 rushes, 298 yards for a 7.8 average.  Kind of hard to lose when your team does that.

[action781]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

Right, and I think Tebow could put up similar type numbers on the larger field in the CFL, with softer coverage, recievers getting running starts, etc.

Why, he can't even crack 50% in the NFL, while Flutie who was well past his prime was hitting at a 56.5%.  They aren't the same.

He has been in the league for a year and a half, and everyone acknowledges he needs to work on his mechanics.  For a QB, that experience is huge.  I think, if someone were to actually slow things down with him, and let him work on the mechanics, then he could be a decent passer.  

So, I think if he were to go away for 4 years, he might come back a significantly more accurate thrower.

I don't think he's going to ever have the sort of footwork that would allow him to become more accurate. His arm is well below average for an NFL arm and his motion is inefficient as well.

Footwork is so much a matter of rhythm and muscule memory its very hard to improve it that much.

His throwing mechanics and pccket presence are as bad as you'll ever see from an NFL quarterback.


That's not saying that he'll never succeed but he needs to make leaps and bounds in improvements if he's going to be a starter in this league.

IMO, the odds are long that he'll be able to do it.

It would be one thing if he had made any sort of improvement in any of those things since he left Florida, but the reality is he just hasn't.  He still is as bad with his mechanic's and footwork as the day he left Florida and he has been working on that stuff pretty much non-stop since he left.  If he hasn't improved at all yet, he is never going to.  When he flames out against Oakland hopefully that is the last we hear about him for a long time. 

Hater in the house!

[Eja117]

38 rushes, 298 yards for a 7.8 average.  Kind of hard to lose when your team does that.

But he himself gained a ton of those yards with I think a 9.3 yard average. If Cam Newton did that people would fall all over themselves

[Roy H.]

The Broncos won yesterday, and Tebow was a big part of it.  That's the most important thing.  That said, he had another poor throwing day.  I don't think an NFL QB can be a consistent winner without being able to throw at an average level.

[indeedproceed]

Tim Tebow is the NFL equivalent of a crazy girlfriend. One week she's all you can ask for, and more...the next week she goes out and kicks you in the ball without provocation. But, you can't really get made about it, because well, you knew she was crazy (or a poor passer) to begin with.

But after she's gone, you'll miss her. I dumped Tebow for 'girl next door' Marc Sanchez this week. Big mistake.