What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

[indeedproceed]

Wow, when Tebow doesn't heroically lead a comeback, those completion %'s and decision making just hog all the press, huh?

True. I don't remember Cade McNown leading lots of heroic come backs.

I still don't think Tebow is a guy a lot of teams want to be playing in the 4th quarter if they're only up by 10 or less. Would you rather go into the 4th quarter with that kind of lead against him or against Kevin Kolb or Alex Smith or Tavaris Jackson or Jason Campbell? Let alone very young QBs like Colt McCoy or Blaine Gabbert or Ricky Stanzi

McCoy I'd take over Tebow.

It is a bit hilarious though. 2 days ago, "Tebowing" was thing. ESPN the magazine anointed him with the cover.

Today, headlines like "Denver's Quarterback Of The Future Not Yet On Roster"

I mean come on. Denver wasn't winning many games to begin with. Couple that with them shipping their best receiver down the river AND McGehee injured, its hardly a good environment for Tebow to blossom in.

Its like all the sports writers are just dying to be 'right' about him. Don't worry though, Tim Tebow forgives their trespasses, and encourages them to forgive those who trespass against them.

[Eja117]

Wow, when Tebow doesn't heroically lead a comeback, those completion %'s and decision making just hog all the press, huh?

True. I don't remember Cade McNown leading lots of heroic come backs.

I still don't think Tebow is a guy a lot of teams want to be playing in the 4th quarter if they're only up by 10 or less. Would you rather go into the 4th quarter with that kind of lead against him or against Kevin Kolb or Alex Smith or Tavaris Jackson or Jason Campbell? Let alone very young QBs like Colt McCoy or Blaine Gabbert or Ricky Stanzi

McCoy I'd take over Tebow.

It is a bit hilarious though. 2 days ago, "Tebowing" was thing. ESPN the magazine anointed him with the cover.

Today, headlines like "Denver's Quarterback Of The Future Not Yet On Roster"

I mean come on. Denver wasn't winning many games to begin with. Couple that with them shipping their best receiver down the river AND McGehee injured, its hardly a good environment for Tebow to blossom in.

Its like all the sports writers are just dying to be 'right' about him. Don't worry though, Tim Tebow forgives their trespasses, and encourages them to forgive those who trespass against them.

Amen brotha

Tebow is the most polarizing guy in sports right now, and maybe that I've seen.

Opinions on him vary maybe more wildly than I've seen.

Reporters need to be "right" about him because they said such strongly worded things about him.

Skip Bayless gets more worked up over Tebow than anything I've seen and this is Skip Bayless we're talking about. He will defend him to the death. So he has to be right.

And there are other guys that have said flat out that not only can he not play, not only is he not a QB, but that he is awful. So of course they have to be right. 

Because the margin for error is so wide. A bunch of people aren't just going to be wrong, they're going to be really wrong no matter what he does, because they themselves were so extreme.

Nobody took the middle road on Tebow. Nobody.

[Chris]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

[Donoghus]

If you're Denver and you're sitting there next spring with a Top 5 pick, you have to look extremely long & hard at guys like Landry Jones and Matt Barkley. 

With Fox & Elway running the show these days, I have to think they will.

[Eja117]

If you're Denver and you're sitting there next spring with a Top 5 pick, you have to look extremely long & hard at guys like Landry Jones and Matt Barkley. 

With Fox & Elway running the show these days, I have to think they will.

True, but you also have to look at trading down and actually getting pieces to help the team like say a WR, a RB less than 30 years old with no major reconstructive knee surgery, etc

They could draft a QB in the 3rd round or something. Or trade for one like say Ryan Mallet or something

[Moranis]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

[Chris]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

Right, and I think Tebow could put up similar type numbers on the larger field in the CFL, with softer coverage, recievers getting running starts, etc.

[wdleehi]

Wow, when Tebow doesn't heroically lead a comeback, those completion %'s and decision making just hog all the press, huh?

True. I don't remember Cade McNown leading lots of heroic come backs.

I still don't think Tebow is a guy a lot of teams want to be playing in the 4th quarter if they're only up by 10 or less. Would you rather go into the 4th quarter with that kind of lead against him or against Kevin Kolb or Alex Smith or Tavaris Jackson or Jason Campbell? Let alone very young QBs like Colt McCoy or Blaine Gabbert or Ricky Stanzi

Kolb has shown more when he was with the Eagles.


Have you seen what Alex Smith has done this year?

I would take Campbell with what he has done with the Raiders.

McCoy is better but has no weapons.

Jackson is terrible.  

[Moranis]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

Right, and I think Tebow could put up similar type numbers on the larger field in the CFL, with softer coverage, recievers getting running starts, etc.

Why, he can't even crack 50% in the NFL, while Flutie who was well past his prime was hitting at a 56.5%.  They aren't the same.

[Moranis]

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Man the Lions players were harsh.  I can't say they were wrong, but I don't think I've seen a collective set of players be that harsh to an opposing player before, during, and after the game.

[wdleehi]

The more I watch him, the more I like the Doug Flutie comparisons.  Flutie was a better passer, but not that much.  I think they both are guys who just know how to make plays when they need to, but when it comes to just sitting back in the pocket and running an offense, they struggle.  Perhaps Tebow would benefit from some time in Canada, where he can work on his mechanics while playing in a league where there is much more room to operate...

Flutie was a 61.4% passer in the CFL which was essentially his prime.  Even after the CFL his first four seasons in the NFL he was around a 56.5% passer.  Not great nor even very good, but certainly not down right awful either.

Right, and I think Tebow could put up similar type numbers on the larger field in the CFL, with softer coverage, recievers getting running starts, etc.

Why, he can't even crack 50% in the NFL, while Flutie who was well past his prime was hitting at a 56.5%.  They aren't the same.

Flutie was just to short to be a top NFL QB.  That's why his passing % was low. 

It is the same issue many short QB have had.


Tebow should not have that problem. 

[Eja117]

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Man the Lions players were harsh.  I can't say they were wrong, but I don't think I've seen a collective set of players be that harsh to an opposing player before, during, and after the game.

This is my thing. If Orton had done the exact same thing...no big deal.  If Tebow does it somehow that means he can't play.

[indeedproceed]

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Man the Lions players were harsh.  I can't say they were wrong, but I don't think I've seen a collective set of players be that harsh to an opposing player before, during, and after the game.

This is my thing. If Orton had done the exact same thing...no big deal.  If Tebow does it somehow that means he can't play.

The logical side of this is that Tebow's arm, mechanics, and decision making are just not up to spec for a NFL quarterback. And I mean..that's true. That's 100% True.

But he's not the guy who pulled the trigger to trade up in the 1st to pick him up, and he's not the guy who inserted him into the starting lineup.

He's just the guy who is going out there with a heart of gold and head full of dreams just tryin his gosh-darn bestest to win games. And shucks, on some level we ought to respect that.

[Moranis]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ak5_V.ZBywOaUrueRJMx1kY5nYcB?slug=ms-silver_morning_rush_tebow_struggles_103111

Man the Lions players were harsh.  I can't say they were wrong, but I don't think I've seen a collective set of players be that harsh to an opposing player before, during, and after the game.

This is my thing. If Orton had done the exact same thing...no big deal.  If Tebow does it somehow that means he can't play.

But Orton doesn't do the exact same thing.  Sure Orton may have a downright awful game, but it isn't because he can't throw the ball, or can't make the right decision, or gets flustered.

That is the difference. 

Tebow just flat out can't play QB at a NFL QB level.  He just can't. 

[guava_wrench]

I do not know what Tebow will be in a few years, but as of now, he can't throw the football. And he has been at this for a while now.

It is easy to forget how high the talent level is in the NFL. Flaws like his get exposed. He basically has only had about 5 minutes of game time where he didn't embarrass himself and that was against the Dolphins. I have yet to see any reason to expect him to be a competent QB in the NFL.

Comebacks don't mean anything with a small sample size and on a losing team that regularly gets itself into deficits. Fiedler had plenty of great comebacks with the Dolphins but had a subpar arm. No one thought of him as a decent QB. On the other hand, Miami was still able to win under him as a caretaker QB.