What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

[Fafnir]

38 rushes, 298 yards for a 7.8 average.  Kind of hard to lose when your team does that.

But he himself gained a ton of those yards with I think a 9.3 yard average. If Cam Newton did that people would fall all over themselves

The Broncos ran the option.  I mean seriously, the option.  

Whatever works.  Let people stop it

They will.  Most teams will stop the option.

Tebow is now 5-2 as an NFL starter, including going 3-1 with the same team that went 1-4 with Kyle Orton, except without the team's best receiver.

There's something weird about the almost personal animosity people have toward Tebow.  There have been plenty of 1st QB picks who proved they couldn't play in the league.  None of them got 1/10th as much criticism as a guy with a 5-2 record as a starter.

Mike

He's 4 - 3 as a starter. He went 1 - 2 last year and so far has a 3 - 1 record this year.

Craig Krenzel went 3 - 2 for the Bears in 2004.

Judging an individuals performance by team success is always a dicey prospect.

Edit: Krenzel's 3 - 2 was for a 5 - 11 Bears team

[indeedproceed]

Don't really have time to look up my source, but I either read or saw on ESPN a quote that perfectly explains why Tebow is successful.

Champ Bailey:  "I know it sounds bad, but when Tim is the quarterback, I just play harder."

This is coming from Champ Bailey.  People wonder what this "ability to win" is and if Tebow will be "figured out" and how a quarterback who can't throw or has poor mechanics will be able to succeed in the NFL... but the bottom line is that if he has this uncanny ability to make 21 other players on the field ALL perform at higher levels, then he will likely be successful.

"The Rudy Paradox"

[Lucky17]

The next Brett Favre.

Not for his numbers, but for the incessant, incomprehensible media fascination with his every move and statement.

[wdleehi]

38 rushes, 298 yards for a 7.8 average.  Kind of hard to lose when your team does that.

But he himself gained a ton of those yards with I think a 9.3 yard average. If Cam Newton did that people would fall all over themselves

The Broncos ran the option.  I mean seriously, the option.   

Whatever works.  Let people stop it

They will.  Most teams will stop the option.

Tebow is now 5-2 as an NFL starter, including going 3-1 with the same team that went 1-4 with Kyle Orton, except without the team's best receiver.

There's something weird about the almost personal animosity people have toward Tebow.  There have been plenty of 1st QB picks who proved they couldn't play in the league.  None of them got 1/10th as much criticism as a guy with a 5-2 record as a starter.

Mike

I think Tebow is an NFL player, just not a starting NFL QB.  


They have won some games.  Good.  Now we get to see them against some playoff level teams.  (and not just in the playoffs because the AFC West is awful)

[MBunge]

38 rushes, 298 yards for a 7.8 average.  Kind of hard to lose when your team does that.

But he himself gained a ton of those yards with I think a 9.3 yard average. If Cam Newton did that people would fall all over themselves

The Broncos ran the option.  I mean seriously, the option.  

Whatever works.  Let people stop it

They will.  Most teams will stop the option.

Tebow is now 5-2 as an NFL starter, including going 3-1 with the same team that went 1-4 with Kyle Orton, except without the team's best receiver.

There's something weird about the almost personal animosity people have toward Tebow.  There have been plenty of 1st QB picks who proved they couldn't play in the league.  None of them got 1/10th as much criticism as a guy with a 5-2 record as a starter.

Mike

He's 4 - 3 as a starter. He went 1 - 2 last year and so far has a 3 - 1 record this year.

Craig Krenzel went 3 - 2 for the Bears in 2004.

Judging an individuals performance by team success is always a dicey prospect.

Edit: Krenzel's 3 - 2 was for a 5 - 11 Bears team

My bad on Tebow's record, but I don't recall anyone saying Krenzel couldn't play in the league when he was with the Bears.  Nobody was hailing him as the next big thing, but commentors didn't seem personally offended at the idea of him being a starting NFL quarterback.

Mike

[MBunge]

38 rushes, 298 yards for a 7.8 average.  Kind of hard to lose when your team does that.

But he himself gained a ton of those yards with I think a 9.3 yard average. If Cam Newton did that people would fall all over themselves

The Broncos ran the option.  I mean seriously, the option.   

Whatever works.  Let people stop it

They will.  Most teams will stop the option.

Tebow is now 5-2 as an NFL starter, including going 3-1 with the same team that went 1-4 with Kyle Orton, except without the team's best receiver.

There's something weird about the almost personal animosity people have toward Tebow.  There have been plenty of 1st QB picks who proved they couldn't play in the league.  None of them got 1/10th as much criticism as a guy with a 5-2 record as a starter.

Mike

I think Tebow is an NFL player, just not a starting NFL QB.  


They have won some games.  Good.  Now we get to see them against some playoff level teams.  (and not just in the playoffs because the AFC West is awful)

I hardly think it proves anything if Tebow can't lead a bad Bronco team into the playoffs, unless you think there are style points in how you lose.

Mike

[Eja117]

This stretch coming up in when Tebow can really start opening my eyes.   Beating up on the dregs of the league (MIA & KC) plus a listless OAK hasn't done squat for me.  Let's not underestimate the contributions of the DEN defense here, either.

Next 5 games: NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE.  

Tebow's going to need to throw the ball if he's going to win those games.

Don't think for one second that Kyle Orton could win those games. Also he's not supposed to win them. His best receiver is Eric Decker. His top two RBs are banged up. And apparently he's the next coming of Eric Crouch. It's supposed to be a miracle he's winning at all.

People will keep moving the field goal posts for Tebow until they can't anymore.

Also blame for losses should go to John Fox if they don't use him correctly. If you expect him to play like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or some other traditional QB and you lose that's your fault.

Like when Steve Young used to get ticked off when people called him a scrambler. He said "that's code for can't play".   Well Tebow is a scrambler and he can play

[Donoghus]

This stretch coming up in when Tebow can really start opening my eyes.   Beating up on the dregs of the league (MIA & KC) plus a listless OAK hasn't done squat for me.  Let's not underestimate the contributions of the DEN defense here, either.

Next 5 games: NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE.  

Tebow's going to need to throw the ball if he's going to win those games.

Don't think for one second that Kyle Orton could win those games. Also he's not supposed to win them. His best receiver is Eric Decker. His top two RBs are banged up. And apparently he's the next coming of Eric Crouch. It's supposed to be a miracle he's winning at all.

People will keep moving the field goal posts for Tebow until they can't anymore.

Also blame for losses should go to John Fox if they don't use him correctly. If you expect him to play like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or some other traditional QB and you lose that's your fault.

Like when Steve Young used to get ticked off when people called him a scrambler. He said "that's code for can't play".   Well Tebow is a scrambler and he can play

Like I said before, I'm tempering my enthusiasm for Tebow until I see what he does in this upcoming stretch where the level of competition he's facing will rise dramatically over what he's seen in the past few weeks. I'm still pretty skeptical.

That offense isn't going to work when you're down double digits in the 4th quarter.  2-8 for 69 yards isn't going to cut it most weeks in the NFL.

That's not moving the goal posts, that's recognizing that the sample size is still too small (with many unanswered question marks) to make ridiculous proclamations in favor of or against the guy that come across as definitive as seems to be the case from many media types and football fans out there.

[wdleehi]

This stretch coming up in when Tebow can really start opening my eyes.   Beating up on the dregs of the league (MIA & KC) plus a listless OAK hasn't done squat for me.  Let's not underestimate the contributions of the DEN defense here, either.

Next 5 games: NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE.  

Tebow's going to need to throw the ball if he's going to win those games.

Don't think for one second that Kyle Orton could win those games. Also he's not supposed to win them. His best receiver is Eric Decker. His top two RBs are banged up. And apparently he's the next coming of Eric Crouch. It's supposed to be a miracle he's winning at all.

People will keep moving the field goal posts for Tebow until they can't anymore.

Also blame for losses should go to John Fox if they don't use him correctly. If you expect him to play like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or some other traditional QB and you lose that's your fault.

Like when Steve Young used to get ticked off when people called him a scrambler. He said "that's code for can't play".   Well Tebow is a scrambler and he can play

What's to move?


He is on the same list as Akili Smith and Derek Anderson


NFL win with 2 or less completions. 

[Eja117]

This stretch coming up in when Tebow can really start opening my eyes.   Beating up on the dregs of the league (MIA & KC) plus a listless OAK hasn't done squat for me.  Let's not underestimate the contributions of the DEN defense here, either.

Next 5 games: NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE.  

Tebow's going to need to throw the ball if he's going to win those games.

Don't think for one second that Kyle Orton could win those games. Also he's not supposed to win them. His best receiver is Eric Decker. His top two RBs are banged up. And apparently he's the next coming of Eric Crouch. It's supposed to be a miracle he's winning at all.

People will keep moving the field goal posts for Tebow until they can't anymore.

Also blame for losses should go to John Fox if they don't use him correctly. If you expect him to play like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or some other traditional QB and you lose that's your fault.

Like when Steve Young used to get ticked off when people called him a scrambler. He said "that's code for can't play".   Well Tebow is a scrambler and he can play

Like I said before, I'm tempering my enthusiasm for Tebow until I see what he does in this upcoming stretch where the level of competition he's facing will rise dramatically over what he's seen in the past few weeks. I'm still pretty skeptical.

That offense isn't going to work when you're down double digits in the 4th quarter.  2-8 for 69 yards isn't going to cut it most weeks in the NFL.

That's not moving the goal posts, that's recognizing that the sample size is still too small (with many unanswered question marks) to make ridiculous proclamations in favor of or against the guy that come across as definitive as seems to be the case from many media types and football fans out there.

You also have to be skeptical about how bad he is until they use him properly.

[Eja117]

Can you imagine if the Pats tried to use Brady like he was Tebow? Making him a featured runner? Running the option. Limiting his passes. What would happen? Would that make it legit to come to the conclusion that Brady can't play?  So why should Tebow have to play different? They need to use him properly. Then he can be properly judged.

Granted they use him improperly and he wins anyway, but since it isn't against the best teams it doesn't count.

I'd like to see what Sanchez and Matt Cassell and Chad Henne and quite a few other guys would do against the teams Tebow is about to play against.....but you have to give them Eric Decker for their best WR and take away their running backs.   Guess what. Tebow gives you the best chance to win in that scenario.  

Is there a QB in the league that has less to work with on offense that is still producing wins? We know it's not Kyle Orton. Kyle had more to work with anyway.

[wdleehi]

Can you imagine if the Pats tried to use Brady like he was Tebow? Making him a featured runner? Running the option. Limiting his passes. What would happen? Would that make it legit to come to the conclusion that Brady can't play?  So why should Tebow have to play different? They need to use him properly. Then he can be properly judged.

Granted they use him improperly and he wins anyway, but since it isn't against the best teams it doesn't count.

I'd like to see what Sanchez and Matt Cassell and Chad Henne and quite a few other guys would do against the teams Tebow is about to play against.....but you have to give them Eric Decker for their best WR and take away their running backs.   Guess what. Tebow gives you the best chance to win in that scenario.  

Is there a QB in the league that has less to work with on offense that is still producing wins? We know it's not Kyle Orton. Kyle had more to work with anyway.

Right now?

Cutler with the Bears.  Outside of the RB, who on offense really scares you.


Historically, McNabbs early teams with the Eagles.

[DKClassic]

Tebow gets a generous 7 from me if he beats the Jets

[Cman]

As a Pats fan (and Jets hater), I am liking Tebow today!

[Donoghus]

Gotta hand it to the kid. He has a bit of a flair for the dramatic. Not sure what else. Great win for the Broncos and real bad one for the Jets.   

Ugly football game.