What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

[Moranis]

I do find it funny how many people are seemingly threatened by tebow and what he represents for the game of football.

 


That makes no sense.


Does that mean if I think the Redskins do not have a starting caliber QB I am threaten by Sexy Rexy and what he represents for the game of football?  I mean he won enough in one season to make it to the super bowl. 

Or Jackson?  He has had season where his teams won some games. 

Jackson is 13-14 as a starter (regular season only).  Actually went 8-4 his second year in Minnesota.

Grossman is 23-17 as a starter and was actually 17-6 at one point in his career (regular season only). 

[Rondo2287]

I do find it funny how many people are seemingly threatened by tebow and what he represents for the game of football.

 


That makes no sense.


Does that mean if I think the Redskins do not have a starting caliber QB I am threaten by Sexy Rexy and what he represents for the game of football?  I mean he won enough in one season to make it to the super bowl. 

Or Jackson?  He has had season where his teams won some games. 

People are clearly threatened because he is succeeding in a way that nobody else has.  I think Tebow is second in the league in yards after contact if im not mistaken.  (first is Adrian Peterson) You say that he is a bad qb, but he is what, 4-1 this year?  Over the last two years with Orton as the QB of the broncos I think they were 4-14.  If Tebow is a bad QB, what does that make Orton? 

And Orton is a guy that another teams training camp was chanting for this past off season.

Time to give the guy his props, just because he isnt doing it in a way you or other viewers are accustomed to seeing doesnt mean he is bad.

[Eja117]

I do find it funny how many people are seemingly threatened by tebow and what he represents for the game of football.

 


That makes no sense.


Does that mean if I think the Redskins do not have a starting caliber QB I am threaten by Sexy Rexy and what he represents for the game of football?  I mean he won enough in one season to make it to the super bowl. 

Or Jackson?  He has had season where his teams won some games. 

People are clearly threatened because he is succeeding in a way that nobody else has.  I think Tebow is second in the league in yards after contact if im not mistaken.  (first is Adrian Peterson) You say that he is a bad qb, but he is what, 4-1 this year?  Over the last two years with Orton as the QB of the broncos I think they were 4-14.  If Tebow is a bad QB, what does that make Orton? 

And Orton is a guy that another teams training camp was chanting for this past off season.

Time to give the guy his props, just because he isnt doing it in a way you or other viewers are accustomed to seeing doesnt mean he is bad.

This is kinda what I meant by double standards. Cam Newton went 2-7 and people were acting like he was the 2nd coming. Tebow went 4-1 and people are like "He can't play and he can't win".

[indeedproceed]

This is kinda what I meant by double standards. Cam Newton went 2-7 and people were acting like he was the 2nd coming. Tebow went 4-1 and people are like "He can't play and he can't win".

Its because he doesn't make any sense. Cam Newton's got the arm, the skillset, the attitude (allegedly much improved since his stint at Auburn), and the athleticism to be a legendary QB, like some kinda souped-up Randall Cunningham.

But, right now Cam Newton is 2-7, and squarely putting the blame on himself (which is garbage, but I digress), while Tebow is 4-1 this season while squarely giving the credit to God and his teammates (which makes a lot of sense).

[Rondo2287]

This is kinda what I meant by double standards. Cam Newton went 2-7 and people were acting like he was the 2nd coming. Tebow went 4-1 and people are like "He can't play and he can't win".

Its because he doesn't make any sense. Cam Newton's got the arm, the skillset, the attitude (allegedly much improved since his stint at Auburn), and the athleticism to be a legendary QB, like some kinda souped-up Randall Cunningham.

But, right now Cam Newton is 2-7, and squarely putting the blame on himself (which is garbage, but I digress), while Tebow is 4-1 this season while squarely giving the credit to God and his teammates (which makes a lot of sense).

I will say Von Miller is a beast and is helping tebow alot on the other side of the ball.

But Tebow also doesnt have anybody with the skill set of Steve Smith to throw to

[Fafnir]

I do find it funny how many people are seemingly threatened by tebow and what he represents for the game of football.

 


That makes no sense.


Does that mean if I think the Redskins do not have a starting caliber QB I am threaten by Sexy Rexy and what he represents for the game of football?  I mean he won enough in one season to make it to the super bowl.  

Or Jackson?  He has had season where his teams won some games.  

People are clearly threatened because he is succeeding in a way that nobody else has.  I think Tebow is second in the league in yards after contact if im not mistaken.  (first is Adrian Peterson) You say that he is a bad qb, but he is what, 4-1 this year?  Over the last two years with Orton as the QB of the broncos I think they were 4-14.  If Tebow is a bad QB, what does that make Orton?  

And Orton is a guy that another teams training camp was chanting for this past off season.

Time to give the guy his props, just because he isnt doing it in a way you or other viewers are accustomed to seeing doesnt mean he is bad.

But here's the part I don't like with your argument, its far too simplistic.

Teams can go an awful long way with a bad QB and win a lot of games, especially in the short term. Rex Grossman is a bad NFL QB, but he got the Bears in 2006 to the super bowl. I wanted desparately for him to harness the flashes and his talent as a Bears fan, but he was then and is now a turnover machine who is a bad QB.

Teams win, not QBs. You have to evaluate his decision making, how he plays, and what he projects to into the future. Just looking at the final score to assign credit isn't good enough, we can do better as fans.

[Eja117]

One thing that Tebow sorta reminds me of was Steve McNair. But totally different. The guy had to sit two years before he got a shot out of tiny Alcorn State. People had way way more patience back then. Immediately successful QBs have become the norm/expectation now. Even guys coming out as juniors are having instant success. Give Tebow a year or something

[Eja117]

I do find it funny how many people are seemingly threatened by tebow and what he represents for the game of football.

 


That makes no sense.


Does that mean if I think the Redskins do not have a starting caliber QB I am threaten by Sexy Rexy and what he represents for the game of football?  I mean he won enough in one season to make it to the super bowl. 

Or Jackson?  He has had season where his teams won some games. 

People are clearly threatened because he is succeeding in a way that nobody else has.  I think Tebow is second in the league in yards after contact if im not mistaken.  (first is Adrian Peterson) You say that he is a bad qb, but he is what, 4-1 this year?  Over the last two years with Orton as the QB of the broncos I think they were 4-14.  If Tebow is a bad QB, what does that make Orton? 

And Orton is a guy that another teams training camp was chanting for this past off season.

Time to give the guy his props, just because he isnt doing it in a way you or other viewers are accustomed to seeing doesnt mean he is bad.

But here's the part I don't like with your argument, its far too simplistic.

Teams can go an awful long way with a bad QB and win a lot of games, especially in the short term. Rex Grossman is a bad NFL QB, but he got the Bears in 2006 to the super bowl.

true, but if I remember Grossman didn't supplant a QB who had thrown for 4000 yards in the past and start winning, whereas previously they weren't. Also when he was young nobody was saying he couldn't play or had some debilitating hitch.

[indeedproceed]

This is kinda what I meant by double standards. Cam Newton went 2-7 and people were acting like he was the 2nd coming. Tebow went 4-1 and people are like "He can't play and he can't win".

Its because he doesn't make any sense. Cam Newton's got the arm, the skillset, the attitude (allegedly much improved since his stint at Auburn), and the athleticism to be a legendary QB, like some kinda souped-up Randall Cunningham.

But, right now Cam Newton is 2-7, and squarely putting the blame on himself (which is garbage, but I digress), while Tebow is 4-1 this season while squarely giving the credit to God and his teammates (which makes a lot of sense).

I will say Von Miller is a beast and is helping tebow alot on the other side of the ball.

But Tebow also doesnt have anybody with the skill set of Steve Smith to throw to

You mean the same Steve Smith who went for 46 receptions and 550 yards last year, with 2 TD's?

The same Steve Smith that most people agreed was 'done' at age 31?

[Fafnir]

I do find it funny how many people are seemingly threatened by tebow and what he represents for the game of football.

 


That makes no sense.


Does that mean if I think the Redskins do not have a starting caliber QB I am threaten by Sexy Rexy and what he represents for the game of football?  I mean he won enough in one season to make it to the super bowl. 

Or Jackson?  He has had season where his teams won some games. 

People are clearly threatened because he is succeeding in a way that nobody else has.  I think Tebow is second in the league in yards after contact if im not mistaken.  (first is Adrian Peterson) You say that he is a bad qb, but he is what, 4-1 this year?  Over the last two years with Orton as the QB of the broncos I think they were 4-14.  If Tebow is a bad QB, what does that make Orton? 

And Orton is a guy that another teams training camp was chanting for this past off season.

Time to give the guy his props, just because he isnt doing it in a way you or other viewers are accustomed to seeing doesnt mean he is bad.

But here's the part I don't like with your argument, its far too simplistic.

Teams can go an awful long way with a bad QB and win a lot of games, especially in the short term. Rex Grossman is a bad NFL QB, but he got the Bears in 2006 to the super bowl.

true, but if I remember Grossman didn't supplant a QB who had thrown for 4000 yards in the past and start winning, whereas previously they weren't. Also when he was young nobody was saying he couldn't play or had some debilitating hitch.

All unrelated to my point, which is that winning games in the short term doesn't tell you how good a QB is.

[Eja117]

I do find it funny how many people are seemingly threatened by tebow and what he represents for the game of football.

 


That makes no sense.


Does that mean if I think the Redskins do not have a starting caliber QB I am threaten by Sexy Rexy and what he represents for the game of football?  I mean he won enough in one season to make it to the super bowl. 

Or Jackson?  He has had season where his teams won some games. 

People are clearly threatened because he is succeeding in a way that nobody else has.  I think Tebow is second in the league in yards after contact if im not mistaken.  (first is Adrian Peterson) You say that he is a bad qb, but he is what, 4-1 this year?  Over the last two years with Orton as the QB of the broncos I think they were 4-14.  If Tebow is a bad QB, what does that make Orton? 

And Orton is a guy that another teams training camp was chanting for this past off season.

Time to give the guy his props, just because he isnt doing it in a way you or other viewers are accustomed to seeing doesnt mean he is bad.

But here's the part I don't like with your argument, its far too simplistic.

Teams can go an awful long way with a bad QB and win a lot of games, especially in the short term. Rex Grossman is a bad NFL QB, but he got the Bears in 2006 to the super bowl.

true, but if I remember Grossman didn't supplant a QB who had thrown for 4000 yards in the past and start winning, whereas previously they weren't. Also when he was young nobody was saying he couldn't play or had some debilitating hitch.

All unrelated to my point, which is that winning games in the short term doesn't tell you how good a QB is.

Well neither does losing them in the short term. P Manning's rookie year had tons of losses. Not saying Tebow is Manning. Or anyone else.  I'd say the Slash comparison strikes me as most accurate.

[Rondo2287]

This is kinda what I meant by double standards. Cam Newton went 2-7 and people were acting like he was the 2nd coming. Tebow went 4-1 and people are like "He can't play and he can't win".

Its because he doesn't make any sense. Cam Newton's got the arm, the skillset, the attitude (allegedly much improved since his stint at Auburn), and the athleticism to be a legendary QB, like some kinda souped-up Randall Cunningham.

But, right now Cam Newton is 2-7, and squarely putting the blame on himself (which is garbage, but I digress), while Tebow is 4-1 this season while squarely giving the credit to God and his teammates (which makes a lot of sense).

I will say Von Miller is a beast and is helping tebow alot on the other side of the ball.

But Tebow also doesnt have anybody with the skill set of Steve Smith to throw to

You mean the same Steve Smith who went for 46 receptions and 550 yards last year, with 2 TD's?

The same Steve Smith that most people agreed was 'done' at age 31?

How many targets did he have last year?

[Donoghus]

Who here keeps saying that Kyle Orton was anything special?  I don't understand why everything comes back to Orton.  I don't recall seeing any posters on here advocating for Orton.

[Fafnir]

But here's the part I don't like with your argument, its far too simplistic.

Teams can go an awful long way with a bad QB and win a lot of games, especially in the short term. Rex Grossman is a bad NFL QB, but he got the Bears in 2006 to the super bowl.

true, but if I remember Grossman didn't supplant a QB who had thrown for 4000 yards in the past and start winning, whereas previously they weren't. Also when he was young nobody was saying he couldn't play or had some debilitating hitch.

All unrelated to my point, which is that winning games in the short term doesn't tell you how good a QB is.

Well neither does losing them in the short term. P Manning's rookie year had tons of losses. Not saying Tebow is Manning. Or anyone else.  I'd say the Slash comparison strikes me as most accurate.

Exactly, wins are related to your team more than the QB even though the QB is the most important position.

Tebow's wins have been impressive, but his play overall has been poor.

[Eja117]

But here's the part I don't like with your argument, its far too simplistic.

Teams can go an awful long way with a bad QB and win a lot of games, especially in the short term. Rex Grossman is a bad NFL QB, but he got the Bears in 2006 to the super bowl.

true, but if I remember Grossman didn't supplant a QB who had thrown for 4000 yards in the past and start winning, whereas previously they weren't. Also when he was young nobody was saying he couldn't play or had some debilitating hitch.

All unrelated to my point, which is that winning games in the short term doesn't tell you how good a QB is.

Well neither does losing them in the short term. P Manning's rookie year had tons of losses. Not saying Tebow is Manning. Or anyone else.  I'd say the Slash comparison strikes me as most accurate.

Exactly, wins are related to your team more than the QB even though the QB is the most important position.

Tebow's wins have been impressive, but his play overall has been poor.

I don't agree his play has been poor. It's just not what we're used to seeing. He has no INTs, I don't think any fumbles. Tons of running yards. A lot of leadership.