What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

[Eja117]

The Broncos won yesterday, and Tebow was a big part of it.  That's the most important thing.  That said, he had another poor throwing day.  I don't think an NFL QB can be a consistent winner without being able to throw at an average level.

True. Brett Farve wasn't a consistent winner

[indeedproceed]

The Broncos won yesterday, and Tebow was a big part of it.  That's the most important thing.  That said, he had another poor throwing day.  I don't think an NFL QB can be a consistent winner without being able to throw at an average level.

True. Brett Farve wasn't a consistent winner

Brett Farve had an arm like some kind of supernatural being. Tim Tebow, while obviously the second coming of the son of god, basically throws like your average D1 QB.

[Eja117]

The Broncos won yesterday, and Tebow was a big part of it.  That's the most important thing.  That said, he had another poor throwing day.  I don't think an NFL QB can be a consistent winner without being able to throw at an average level.

True. Brett Farve wasn't a consistent winner

Brett Farve had an arm like some kind of supernatural being. Tim Tebow, while obviously the second coming of the son of god, basically throws like your average D1 QB.

Oh Brett totally had a blessed arm, which he used to throw interceptions at the absolute worst time routinely.

I understand that for some people when they think "Tebow" the next thing that pops in their head legitimately is "can't throw", but for Farve the first thing I think is "interception choke artist" and that's legit too. 

The interesting thing is I think both players can be argued benefit from a double standard (and unfair hating).  Brett was just loved. Just loved for like no reason. 

Tebow has a lot of people that love him for non football reasons. 

I mean you say he's like the 2nd Jesus and I actually kind of agree. Imagine if Jesus actually came back and was actually a QB.  There are so many people that would just be like "Doesn't matter how he plays. You have to have that guy on your team and look how he just wins".  And there'd be others like "But he has no idea what he's doing."   It is almost exactly like that. It's one of the weirdest sports things I've ever seen.

[MBunge]

Where do I vote for Tim Tebow and the NFL Antoine Walker, just without the wiggle?  I mean, if I described a player as being a great competitor with unusual talent but tremendous flaws in how he played the game, am I talking about Tebow or 'Toine?

Mike

[indeedproceed]

Where do I vote for Tim Tebow and the NFL Antoine Walker, just without the wiggle?  I mean, if I described a player as being a great competitor with unusual talent but tremendous flaws in how he played the game, am I talking about Tebow or 'Toine?

Mike

Tim Tebow will never struggle with the conditioning and diva/effort issues that plagued Walker.

[wdleehi]

Still not a starting QB in the NFL.


Team won because of the rushing game (he was a part of that) and the defense picking off three passes.  (a punt return for a TD also helps)


Tebow is a football player.  He might be an NFL level football player, but not at QB.  


And since you wanted to compare him to Newton

Besides Newtons rushing yards and TD, he has been a good passer for a rookie.

2393 yards.  11 tds and 9 ints.  60.6% completion rate.  87.1 QB rating.


Tebow for his career (6 starts)

1190 yards, 11 TDs and 4 ints.  48% completions rate.  81 QB rating.  

That completion percentage is well below average for an NFL QB.  

[wdleehi]

Where do I vote for Tim Tebow and the NFL Antoine Walker, just without the wiggle?  I mean, if I described a player as being a great competitor with unusual talent but tremendous flaws in how he played the game, am I talking about Tebow or 'Toine?

Mike

Walker was a very good NBA player.  When he was young and healthy, he could play two positions very well (SF and PF). 

He just fell in love with the outside shot and ended up with a head coach that gave him the green light. 

[Eja117]

Still not a starting QB in the NFL.


Team won because of the rushing game (he was a part of that) and the defense picking off three passes.  (a punt return for a TD also helps)


Tebow is a football player.  He might be an NFL level football player, but not at QB.  


And since you wanted to compare him to Newton

Besides Newtons rushing yards and TD, he has been a good passer for a rookie.

2393 yards.  11 tds and 9 ints.  60.6% completion rate.  87.1 QB rating.


Tebow for his career (6 starts)

1190 yards, 11 TDs and 4 ints.  48% completions rate.  81 QB rating.  

That completion percentage is well below average for an NFL QB.  

But the more important stat is wins and losses and Cam is 2-6.  I like Cam. I like Tebow too.

[Fafnir]

Still not a starting QB in the NFL.


Team won because of the rushing game (he was a part of that) and the defense picking off three passes.  (a punt return for a TD also helps)


Tebow is a football player.  He might be an NFL level football player, but not at QB.  


And since you wanted to compare him to Newton

Besides Newtons rushing yards and TD, he has been a good passer for a rookie.

2393 yards.  11 tds and 9 ints.  60.6% completion rate.  87.1 QB rating.


Tebow for his career (6 starts)

1190 yards, 11 TDs and 4 ints.  48% completions rate.  81 QB rating.  

That completion percentage is well below average for an NFL QB.  

But the more important stat is wins and losses and Cam is 2-6.  I like Cam. I like Tebow too.

When you're projected a young player's individual future potential wins and losses matter very little.

If Denver's defense doesn't recover a fumble in OT against the Dolphins (whereupon Tebow went 3 yards in 3 downs) and instead they go down the filed and their kicker kicks a FG does that change your evaluation of Tebow because its a "loss" instead of a win?

[Donoghus]

Hat's off to Tebow for grabbing the "W".

Still not sold on the kid at all but good win for the Broncos.

[Eja117]

Still not a starting QB in the NFL.


Team won because of the rushing game (he was a part of that) and the defense picking off three passes.  (a punt return for a TD also helps)


Tebow is a football player.  He might be an NFL level football player, but not at QB.  


And since you wanted to compare him to Newton

Besides Newtons rushing yards and TD, he has been a good passer for a rookie.

2393 yards.  11 tds and 9 ints.  60.6% completion rate.  87.1 QB rating.


Tebow for his career (6 starts)

1190 yards, 11 TDs and 4 ints.  48% completions rate.  81 QB rating.  

That completion percentage is well below average for an NFL QB.  

But the more important stat is wins and losses and Cam is 2-6.  I like Cam. I like Tebow too.

When you're projected a young player's individual future potential wins and losses matter very little.

If Denver's defense doesn't recover a fumble in OT against the Dolphins (whereupon Tebow went 3 yards in 3 downs) and instead they go down the filed and their kicker kicks a FG does that change your evaluation of Tebow because its a "loss" instead of a win?

All true. I would say yes, because I'm superstitious

[MBz]

Hat's off to Tebow for grabbing the "W".

Still not sold on the kid at all but good win for the Broncos.

Right.  I am still not impressed.  They had to play a college style game rushing the ball close to 40 times for them to win.  That's not going to work against any sort of good team.  Cam Newton may be 2-6, but Cam Newton can throw the ball 30 times and still get a W, Tim Tebow doesn't have that ability.

[indeedproceed]

Still not a starting QB in the NFL.


Team won because of the rushing game (he was a part of that) and the defense picking off three passes.  (a punt return for a TD also helps)


Tebow is a football player.  He might be an NFL level football player, but not at QB. 


And since you wanted to compare him to Newton

Besides Newtons rushing yards and TD, he has been a good passer for a rookie.

2393 yards.  11 tds and 9 ints.  60.6% completion rate.  87.1 QB rating.


Tebow for his career (6 starts)

1190 yards, 11 TDs and 4 ints.  48% completions rate.  81 QB rating. 

That completion percentage is well below average for an NFL QB. 

But the more important stat is wins and losses and Cam is 2-6.  I like Cam. I like Tebow too.

When you're projected a young player's individual future potential wins and losses matter very little.

If Denver's defense doesn't recover a fumble in OT against the Dolphins (whereupon Tebow went 3 yards in 3 downs) and instead they go down the filed and their kicker kicks a FG does that change your evaluation of Tebow because its a "loss" instead of a win?

All true. I would say yes, because I'm superstitious

John Elway: So you're saying, despite all empirical evidence otherwise, we should keep playing the kid? You're saying it doesn't matter how bad he throws the ball, how poorly he reads defenses, or how dangerously loose his grasp on our playbook is, we should still keep on playing Tim Tebow, because good things seem to happen when we play Tim Tebow?

eja: Yes! Yes a thousand times!

[Donoghus]

After this coming week's game against the Chiefs, he has the Jets & Chargers.

It's then that I think we'll have a better grasp of things.

[Eja117]

Still not a starting QB in the NFL.


Team won because of the rushing game (he was a part of that) and the defense picking off three passes.  (a punt return for a TD also helps)


Tebow is a football player.  He might be an NFL level football player, but not at QB. 


And since you wanted to compare him to Newton

Besides Newtons rushing yards and TD, he has been a good passer for a rookie.

2393 yards.  11 tds and 9 ints.  60.6% completion rate.  87.1 QB rating.


Tebow for his career (6 starts)

1190 yards, 11 TDs and 4 ints.  48% completions rate.  81 QB rating. 

That completion percentage is well below average for an NFL QB. 

But the more important stat is wins and losses and Cam is 2-6.  I like Cam. I like Tebow too.

When you're projected a young player's individual future potential wins and losses matter very little.

If Denver's defense doesn't recover a fumble in OT against the Dolphins (whereupon Tebow went 3 yards in 3 downs) and instead they go down the filed and their kicker kicks a FG does that change your evaluation of Tebow because its a "loss" instead of a win?

All true. I would say yes, because I'm superstitious

John Elway: So you're saying, despite all empirical evidence otherwise, we should keep playing the kid? You're saying it doesn't matter how bad he throws the ball, how poorly he reads defenses, or how dangerously loose his grasp on our playbook is, we should still keep on playing Tim Tebow, because good things seem to happen when we play Tim Tebow?

eja: Yes! Yes a thousand times!

While I would have liked a reference to "as long as he keeps winning" I would have to say this  is generally a true and accurate summation of my position.

I'm not going to say I'm not biased