Trade Ray Allen

[rondohondo]

Ray for Iguodala would be a good deal. We'd miss Ray's shooting, but AI's defense and athleticism would make up for it. It would be better to take on Dalembert's contract because it is 2 years shorter then Brand's. That contract could be flipped next year if need be.


Here's a good deal, IMHO

Tony Allen
Ray Allen

for

Andre Iguodala
Samuel Dalembert
Rodney Carney (deal can be done without him)

done and done. No way Philly trades him in the same division though....

[wdleehi]

Ray for Iguodala would be a good deal. We'd miss Ray's shooting, but AI's defense and athleticism would make up for it. It would be better to take on Dalembert's contract because it is 2 years shorter then Brand's. That contract could be flipped next year if need be.


Here's a good deal, IMHO

Tony Allen
Ray Allen

for

Andre Iguodala
Samuel Dalembert
Rodney Carney (deal can be done without him)

Definitely a better deal for the Celtics, but why would the 76ers make it?  


I think it will take something drastic for Iguodala to become available in a trade that makes sense for both the Celtics and the 76ers.  (like demanding a trade)

[KJ33]

The original premise is faulty, before even discussing the merits of any trade.  A catch and shoot guy?  A better version of Eddie House?  Ray's long ball has not been anywhere near as good this year as in past years, and he has gotten many of his buckets by curling and taking the ball all the way to the hole, sometimes even finishing with a dunk.  When is the last time you saw Eddie House ever do that?  Even when he drives, he pulls up for a 6-8 ft. bank shot.  I understand what you are trying to say, but honestly, I don't see the comparison at all.  Most of Ray's midrange jumpers come off his own drives and leaning floaters, in no way is he the one dimensional offensive player Eddie House is.  If Eddie's 3 is not going, he is useless, Ray can still score in a variety of ways when his 3 is off.

[wdleehi]

The original premise is faulty, before even discussing the merits of any trade.  A catch and shoot guy?  A better version of Eddie House?  Ray's long ball has not been anywhere near as good this year as in past years, and he has gotten many of his buckets by curling and taking the ball all the way to the hole, sometimes even finishing with a dunk.  When is the last time you saw Eddie House ever do that?  Even when he drives, he pulls up for a 6-8 ft. bank shot.  I understand what you are trying to say, but honestly, I don't see the comparison at all.  Most of Ray's midrange jumpers come off his own drives and leaning floaters, in no way is he the one dimensional offensive player Eddie House is.  If Eddie's 3 is not going, he is useless, Ray can still score in a variety of ways when his 3 is off.

I agree with that. 

But also can see the Ray is an aging player (but because of the level of his skills, he has a few years left in the NBA transitioning into just a jumpshooter like Reggie Miller did). 


If the Celtics can make a move with him that replaces him with a younger but equivalent player, I think the Celtics would be foolish not to at least explore the idea.

[Jon]

The real beauty of Ray is that when Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, etc. are feeling it, it can fade to the background and just spread the floor.  However, when they're not, he can still take over games.  Maybe not like he did a few years ago, but he still can.

I'm not sure we can replace that.  Maybe we can get a guy who could beat Ray in a 1 on 1 game; but what happens when we ask him to take a lesser role for the good of the team? 

Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.  But I don't risk it on a team that can clearly win it all if healthy.  Plus, if the C's sign him to a 1-2 year extension, the value of the expiring deal will still be there, but just a couple year later. 

[wdleehi]

The real beauty of Ray is that when Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, etc. are feeling it, it can fade to the background and just spread the floor.  However, when they're not, he can still take over games.  Maybe not like he did a few years ago, but he still can.

I'm not sure we can replace that.  Maybe we can get a guy who could beat Ray in a 1 on 1 game; but what happens when we ask him to take a lesser role for the good of the team? 

Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.  But I don't risk it on a team that can clearly win it all if healthy.  Plus, if the C's sign him to a 1-2 year extension, the value of the expiring deal will still be there, but just a couple year later. 

I am fine with that as well.


Like I said, only trade Ray if it is a clear equal (but younger) to better trade for the Celtics.

[LarBrd33]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/Trading_Iguodala_.html


I'd like to get in on this. AI and Brand for Allen and ...

You're joking, right?

However, if we could be the third part in the deal and get Battier for T.A and Scal (sent to Philly), I would do it in a heartbeat. But it's not going to happen.

By AI, he's referring to Andre Iguodala. And, yes, I would do that trade, too. (You might have to include Scal and/or TA to make the numbers work). I would more than welcome it. Starters: Rondo, AI, Pierce, Garnett, Perk. Bench: House, TA, Baby, Brand, Rasheed. Yikes. Sign me up for this one.

Yes, I mean Iggy. I'd even throw Perk in to make this happen.

If the Rockets were actually offered this deal and turned it down, they would be idiots. With that being said, I would see no difference if Philly traded with us instead of Houston. Surly no one sees McGrady as a future piece. At least Ray Allen will dress and play, right?


The only problem is I don't know if Celtic ownership would be down with taking on all the extra salary. But we would be, without a doubt, a force on the court.

I agree with this.  No way did Philly come up with this idea.  Unless Philly is one of those teams who is DESPERATE to dump salary, I can't see them getting rid of Iggy for T-Mac.

But like I said... this is why the T-Mac trade is going to be so interesting.  If they actually do end up pulling off sending T-Mac for Iggy... I think a lot of Celtics fans will be reconsidering their stance on letting Ray Allen slowly die on the Celtics.

FYI to anyone who doesn't understand:  Iggy is better than Ray at this point and he's 10 years younger.  I'd do it in a heart beat.  Case closed.

[Bastone]

Rudy Gay and Memphis is probably the likeliest partner for Ainge and not Philly.  The Memphis owner is notoriously cheap and will likely trade Gay before negotiating his upcoming Big contract.

[winsomme]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/Trading_Iguodala_.html


I'd like to get in on this. AI and Brand for Allen and ...

You're joking, right?

However, if we could be the third part in the deal and get Battier for T.A and Scal (sent to Philly), I would do it in a heartbeat. But it's not going to happen.

By AI, he's referring to Andre Iguodala. And, yes, I would do that trade, too. (You might have to include Scal and/or TA to make the numbers work). I would more than welcome it. Starters: Rondo, AI, Pierce, Garnett, Perk. Bench: House, TA, Baby, Brand, Rasheed. Yikes. Sign me up for this one.

Yes, I mean Iggy. I'd even throw Perk in to make this happen.

If the Rockets were actually offered this deal and turned it down, they would be idiots. With that being said, I would see no difference if Philly traded with us instead of Houston. Surly no one sees McGrady as a future piece. At least Ray Allen will dress and play, right?


The only problem is I don't know if Celtic ownership would be down with taking on all the extra salary. But we would be, without a doubt, a force on the court.

I agree with this.  No way did Philly come up with this idea.  Unless Philly is one of those teams who is DESPERATE to dump salary, I can't see them getting rid of Iggy for T-Mac.

But like I said... this is why the T-Mac trade is going to be so interesting.  If they actually do end up pulling off sending T-Mac for Iggy... I think a lot of Celtics fans will be reconsidering their stance on letting Ray Allen slowly die on the Celtics.

FYI to anyone who doesn't understand:  Iggy is better than Ray at this point and he's 10 years younger.  I'd do it in a heart beat.  Case closed.

i think there is a problem with your premise. Is Iggy more able to carry a team without KG and Pierce? I guess so, but what does that really have to do with a Title run?

If we don't have relatively healthy Pierce and KG, Iggy makes no difference in terms of making a legit run at a Title.

The genius of Ray on this team is how well he compliments KG and Pierce when they are all playing together.....Iggy does not compliment PP and KG nearly as well. He may perform better than Ray at carrying the team with an injured PP and KG, but unless you are conceding any more Title runs in the next couple years, I don't see where Iggy gets you.

[BballTim]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/Trading_Iguodala_.html


I'd like to get in on this. AI and Brand for Allen and ...

You're joking, right?

However, if we could be the third part in the deal and get Battier for T.A and Scal (sent to Philly), I would do it in a heartbeat. But it's not going to happen.

By AI, he's referring to Andre Iguodala. And, yes, I would do that trade, too. (You might have to include Scal and/or TA to make the numbers work). I would more than welcome it. Starters: Rondo, AI, Pierce, Garnett, Perk. Bench: House, TA, Baby, Brand, Rasheed. Yikes. Sign me up for this one.

Yes, I mean Iggy. I'd even throw Perk in to make this happen.

 Why not just throw in Rondo and KG and get back Dalembert?

[BballTim]

Ray for Iguodala would be a good deal. We'd miss Ray's shooting, but AI's defense and athleticism would make up for it. It would be better to take on Dalembert's contract because it is 2 years shorter then Brand's. That contract could be flipped next year if need be.


Here's a good deal, IMHO

Tony Allen
Ray Allen

for

Andre Iguodala
Samuel Dalembert
Rodney Carney (deal can be done without him)

Definitely a better deal for the Celtics, but why would the 76ers make it?  


I think it will take something drastic for Iguodala to become available in a trade that makes sense for both the Celtics and the 76ers.  (like demanding a trade)

  Getting someone to take Brand and his contract probably qualifies as drastic.

[wdleehi]

Ray for Iguodala would be a good deal. We'd miss Ray's shooting, but AI's defense and athleticism would make up for it. It would be better to take on Dalembert's contract because it is 2 years shorter then Brand's. That contract could be flipped next year if need be.


Here's a good deal, IMHO

Tony Allen
Ray Allen

for

Andre Iguodala
Samuel Dalembert
Rodney Carney (deal can be done without him)

Definitely a better deal for the Celtics, but why would the 76ers make it?  


I think it will take something drastic for Iguodala to become available in a trade that makes sense for both the Celtics and the 76ers.  (like demanding a trade)

  Getting someone to take Brand and his contract probably qualifies as drastic.

But makes it a terrible trade for Boston such that they wouldn't pull the trigger.

[BballTim]

Ray for Iguodala would be a good deal. We'd miss Ray's shooting, but AI's defense and athleticism would make up for it. It would be better to take on Dalembert's contract because it is 2 years shorter then Brand's. That contract could be flipped next year if need be.


Here's a good deal, IMHO

Tony Allen
Ray Allen

for

Andre Iguodala
Samuel Dalembert
Rodney Carney (deal can be done without him)

Definitely a better deal for the Celtics, but why would the 76ers make it?  


I think it will take something drastic for Iguodala to become available in a trade that makes sense for both the Celtics and the 76ers.  (like demanding a trade)

  Getting someone to take Brand and his contract probably qualifies as drastic.

But makes it a terrible trade for Boston such that they wouldn't pull the trigger.

  Sorry, was discussing the wrong trade. This one's a better deal but we're still tying our hands by taking on a boatload of salary.

[Gomesfan]

Trade Ray and Scal's expiring contracts to the wizards who want to make moves for Jamison and Butler. Yes they are getting the short end of the deal here but they would be getting a lot of money off the books for next year to have a chance to land a Bosh etc... to pair up with Arenas and money for other pieces, hell if they played their cards right they might be able to get Ray to sign an extension at a lower rate. this trade works on all the trade checkers and it will also work throwing in other pieces as well like a Tony Aleen to sweeten the deal and it still is a successful trade.

[DinTN]

Trade Ray and Scal's expiring contracts to the wizards who want to make moves for Jamison and Butler. Yes they are getting the short end of the deal here but they would be getting a lot of money off the books for next year to have a chance to land a Bosh etc... to pair up with Arenas and money for other pieces, hell if they played their cards right they might be able to get Ray to sign an extension at a lower rate. this trade works on all the trade checkers and it will also work throwing in other pieces as well like a Tony Aleen to sweeten the deal and it still is a successful trade.

Keep RAY!

From what I hear in regards to his expiring contract he wants to re-sign and his teammates want him back. Simply sign him to a much reduced salary next year. Reduce his minutes and start moving him toward an Eddie House-like role. Use his reduced salary to improve the team.

IMHO we have small championship window and it's closing fast. Don't bust up the KG, RR & PP group until the opportunity is gone.