Toronto Idea - Garnett for Bosh

[star18]

I would never do this trade in 50 billion years ever under any circumstance.

[Bahku]

I would never do this trade in 50 billion years ever under any circumstance.

Ditto. Double-ditto. (TP)

[Jon]

If you think Bosh is a good idea, it's strictly for two reasons: age and stats.  Neither matter.  Age is great and all, but if Bosh isn't good enough to get us a championship, who cares if he makes us a perennial 60 win team that never wins it all?  Yes, with Bosh last year we would've made it past Orlando and probably Cleveland, but we still don't beat LA.

As for stats, since when have they ever mattered on this team?  If we went by stats, Danny Granger is a far better player than Paul Pierce, and we know that's not true.  On the same note, if we judge players by stats, Al Jefferson has been better than KG for two years, which we also know isn't true.  If Bosh had 1/10 of the intangibles and will of KG, Toronto would be a much better team. 

Despite the 1 loss of the season, we're currently destroying a good Utah team right now and still could conceivably beat the Bulls record and cruise to #18.  You don't mess with that. 

[jambr380]

If you think Bosh is a good idea, it's strictly for two reasons: age and stats.  Neither matter.  Age is great and all, but if Bosh isn't good enough to get us a championship, who cares if he makes us a perennial 60 win team that never wins it all?  Yes, with Bosh last year we would've made it past Orlando and probably Cleveland, but we still don't beat LA.

As for stats, since when have they ever mattered on this team?  If we went by stats, Danny Granger is a far better player than Paul Pierce, and we know that's not true.  On the same note, if we judge players by stats, Al Jefferson has been better than KG for two years, which we also know isn't true.  If Bosh had 1/10 of the intangibles and will of KG, Toronto would be a much better team. 

Despite the 1 loss of the season, we're currently destroying a good Utah team right now and still could conceivably beat the Bulls record and cruise to #18.  You don't mess with that. 

Garnett is great and all and was a huge part in the transformation of this team's attitude, but the Timberwolves were 32-50 in his last season there and 33-49 the year before- not exactly a 'much better team' than Bosh's teams. I realize that the Raptors haven't exactly put it all together yet, but to think that it is all Garnett or bust in Boston is flawed attitude. I love Garnett and would love to see him healthy and [very] productive for the next 5-6 years, but I do kind of wonder how realistic that is.

[CelticG1]

If you think Bosh is a good idea, it's strictly for two reasons: age and stats.  Neither matter.  Age is great and all, but if Bosh isn't good enough to get us a championship, who cares if he makes us a perennial 60 win team that never wins it all?  Yes, with Bosh last year we would've made it past Orlando and probably Cleveland, but we still don't beat LA.

As for stats, since when have they ever mattered on this team?  If we went by stats, Danny Granger is a far better player than Paul Pierce, and we know that's not true.  On the same note, if we judge players by stats, Al Jefferson has been better than KG for two years, which we also know isn't true.  If Bosh had 1/10 of the intangibles and will of KG, Toronto would be a much better team. 

Despite the 1 loss of the season, we're currently destroying a good Utah team right now and still could conceivably beat the Bulls record and cruise to #18.  You don't mess with that. 

Utah is 3-5. I don't know if i'd say they are good. Especially when we are playing them at home.

[star18]

Its Garnett or bust, that is how it is.   KG is never playing for another NBA team, we are only going to win the title if he plays.  If he doesn't play 99% chance we don't win.  We are sticking with Garnett for the rest of his playing days.  That is how it is.  KG isn't getting traded for anybody.  Period.  We don't want anybody else on this team in exchange for Garnett.  Nobody.  Period. At any point in his career.   Every team is their superstar or bust, that is how it is in the NBA.  Nobody wins in the NBA without their best player.   Its never happened in NBA history.     

[Edgar]

Its Garnett or bust, that is how it is.   KG is never playing for another NBA team, we are only going to win the title if he plays.  If he doesn't play 99% chance we don't win.  We are sticking with Garnett for the rest of his playing days.  That is how it is.  KG isn't getting traded for anybody.  Period.  We don't want anybody else on this team in exchange for Garnett.  Nobody.  Period. At any point in his career.   Every team is their superstar or bust, that is how it is in the NBA.  Nobody wins in the NBA without their best player.   Its never happened in NBA history.     

mm..
well



and to say period after every sentence is not necesarily a nice way to generate a debate..

[GreenFaith1819]

I will welcome Chris Bosh to Boston - in three years.

Boston has unfinished business with the current crew.

Kudos to IndeedProceed for the statistical comparisons between KG and Bosh.

[MBz]

If you think Bosh is a good idea, it's strictly for two reasons: age and stats.  Neither matter.  Age is great and all, but if Bosh isn't good enough to get us a championship, who cares if he makes us a perennial 60 win team that never wins it all?  Yes, with Bosh last year we would've made it past Orlando and probably Cleveland, but we still don't beat LA.

As for stats, since when have they ever mattered on this team?  If we went by stats, Danny Granger is a far better player than Paul Pierce, and we know that's not true.  On the same note, if we judge players by stats, Al Jefferson has been better than KG for two years, which we also know isn't true.  If Bosh had 1/10 of the intangibles and will of KG, Toronto would be a much better team. 

Despite the 1 loss of the season, we're currently destroying a good Utah team right now and still could conceivably beat the Bulls record and cruise to #18.  You don't mess with that. 

I think it's more age then stats, but as of right now is KG better then Bosh?  Bosh is clearly the better offensive player, is KG that much better defensively?  Also it's not a guarantee that the old KG is coming back.  Bosh would give the Celtics a TRUE low post presence.  KG is not going to the basket at all this year.  He's been to the freethrow line a a grand total of 18 times in 9 games compared to the 114 times that Bosh has been to the line in 8 games  Going to the line 18 times is completely awful for a big man.  Bosh is so much better then KG offensively that this trade would have to be made, plain and simple.

[GreenFaith1819]

I did some reflecting on this thread after Boshs' play against Boston last night.

So do we STILL even consider this trade? After last night?

Bosh apparently has padded his stats against weaker teams this year.

Bosh came to BOS last night and played against a team that was not afraid of him.

Our low post trio of Sheed, Perk, and KG shot a combined 19 of 22 in the paint. Bosh did not stop us.

Bosh had a good first half then disappeared. Celtics smothered Bosh and the Raps for only the third quarter and then came Pierce's exclamation point near the end...

[nickagneta]

Did anyone really ever consider this a realistic trade. KG's knee is at 75% and it still will always be worth more than Bosh playing with his heart at 100%.

[wiley]

No. 

On the other hand, there's no reason to diss Bosh in this thread.  He's a great player and the Celtics would be lucky to get him in some other way or down the road.

[nickagneta]

No. 

On the other hand, there's no reason to diss Bosh in this thread.  He's a great player and the Celtics would be lucky to get him in some other way or down the road.

I'm not dissing him. I just think that he doesn't have the heart of a champion. I think he might be one of these players more interested in the paycheck and the stat sheet than the wins and losses. That doesn't make him bad, just......common, nowadays. I will take a guy like KG who will play hurt, play inspired, inspire others and sacrifice for a win over Bosh any day of the week. That's not a diss on Bosh. That's a statement on how much I would prefer a guy like KG over him. That's all.

[hardlyyardley]

Ever stop to think what the C's look like in 3 years?

what's their base?

how will they be....in comparison to the pre KG, Allen era?

[nickagneta]

Ever stop to think what the C's look like in 3 years?

what's their base?

how will they be....in comparison to the pre KG, Allen era?

Me??

Yeah. And I don't like it. But, I wouldn't trade Garnett now for Bosh as I don't see Bosh as the type of player that has the intensity and grit and game and....and....I don't know how to describe it other than...he doesn't have "IT". I don't see if you surround Bosh with good to mediocre players that he is the guy that will lead you anywhere.

Pierce...yup, he's that way.

Kobe, Wade, LeBron, Nash, Duncan, Parker, Howard, Billups, Melo...them too.

CP3...yes, him in a few years as well.

Roy, Rose, Durant, Noah...I definitely see "IT" in them.

I don't see "IT" in Bosh, Nowitski, Arenas, Iverson, Amare, Marion, Aldridge, Boozer, Mayo or Gay. For that reason I wouldn't trade KG for one of those guys.

But there are a ton of guys I'm not sure on. Like Al Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams, Rashard Lewis, Antoine Jamison, Caron Butler, Chris Kaman, anyone in the league two years or less, Manu Ginobelli, Danny Granger, Luis Scola, etc.

Those guys I'm not sure about. I would definitely trade KG for one or some of them for securing a future.