Toronto Idea - Garnett for Bosh

[Greenbean]

None of us want to admit it but this trade would be a no brainer for Ainge. Bosh has never had any sort of talent around him, kind of like KG before he got here, so it remains to be seen how good he could really be. Ironically enough, it would be beneficial for Bosh to be on the same team as KG to learn a thing or two. That is not part of this proposition unfortunately.

However, as a Celtics fan I do not want any other team to have KG. His intensity and passion for basketball has been unlike any I have seen before and I wouldn't want to see that benefiting any other team. I want him to retire as a Celtic. Although we could probably still compete for a title with Bosh, my selfish feelings about KG would reject this trade and sadden me deeply.

[ssspence]

I get a bit perturbed at all the trade idea threads ... not that it isn't fun to speculate, but "if it ain't broke, why try to fix it?" ... If there was a possibility of getting a decent player for say, the end-of-the-bench players, (TA, Scal or Giddens), then I'd be ok with it ... but the rest of the team is strong and deep, and producing a chemistry that will be hard for any team to beat. Why mess with a great roster?

Agreed. Whether a trade like this has theoretical merit doesn't change the fact that Ainge trading a healthy KG in the middle of this season is about as likely as seeing pigs fly.  The only member of the Big Three I could see being traded is Ray and that’s also a tremendous long shot.

I do however appreciate any and all creative ideas to trade guys at the edge of the rotation for valuable players or assets. There’s absolutely no reason to rest on our laurels off of a few early season games when we know how well this team started last year, and we know that a number of key players are a little older and need to be paced.

In short, we’re going to need all the help we can get to win #18 and I think the Cs should be looking for a strong deal with our expiring contracts as well as Baby as a chip.

[moiso]

Ainge would have to make this deal if he could.  Even if the C's are a TINY bit worse this year, the championship window gets extended temendously.  With a core of Rondo, Perk, and Bosh we could be an excellent team for a very very long time.

[TrueGreen]

The premise for suggesting this trade is that "Bosh is better than KG". When did this happen?. I don't look at stats so I don't know if this is what you're looking at. I don't see any way that Bosh could be a more important player for the Celtics than KG is. Even if KG doesn't score a point or get a rebound he does so many other things that I don't think Bosh even knows they exist.

[greenwise]

2 videos, 2 reasons to remind you of who are you talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMG3Ptx3ZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r00yhVPsn28

[star18]

Trading Garnett is like trading the head off of your shoulders.    Big no no.

[GreenFaith1819]

After posting in this thread yesterday evening then going to bed, I couldn't help but imagine that I would wake up this morning to the headlines:

"NBA World Shocked: Boston's Kevin Garnett Traded to Toronto for Chris Bosh."

After waking up this morning I see that there are more like-minded folks that believe that this would be a strange trade, indeed.

This has been a truely good discussion piece I admit, but I really think that people are looking at Bosh's numbers against weak teams this year (minus CLE). Yes he is a Talented Offensive player, but Toronto's whole mindset as a team is Offense.

Bosh's numbers will certainly level out. And if he is averaging ONLY one block now, how many will it be a month from now?

Kevin Garnett is a Once-In-a-Lifetime player. Once he helps lead Boston to Title 18 this year (And potentially 19 next year) You can make the argument to place him in the Larry Bird-Magic Johnson category...players that just make a team better by being on it.

No disrespect to Pierce, Ray, Perk or Rondo, but KG makes the difference, not Bosh.

There will NOT ever be another Kevin Garnett. Never. Boston should try extracting some DNA from him and try to clone him or something, lol.....

[twistedrico]

To the original poster -- Are you out of your mind?

[GreenFaith1819]

Tommy Point to Greenwise, lol...

Awesome videos. And the funny thing is that we will Certainly see KG doing this stuff again, soon (dunking over folks, dunking in traffic, etc). Give it sometime for him to get his legs back.

And let's not forget the Blocks, too....

The Kevin Garnett from those two videos WILL be back, soon. Lookout NBA, there goes that man------Kevin Garnett!!!

[Birdbrain]

Trading Garnett is like trading the head off of your shoulders.    Big no no.

Pretty much.

[ssspence]

The Kevin Garnett from those two videos WILL be back, soon. Lookout NBA, there goes that man------Kevin Garnett!!!

I've really never understood that saying: 'there goes that man'. mark jackson's always saying it on ABC (right before i press mute) and i find it a little.... strange. sounds like something out of a janet jackson video.

[indeedproceed]

Trading Garnett is like trading the head off of your shoulders.    Big no no.

To the original poster -- Are you out of your mind?

Tommy Point to Greenwise, lol...

Awesome videos. And the funny thing is that we will Certainly see KG doing this stuff again, soon (dunking over folks, dunking in traffic, etc). Give it sometime for him to get his legs back.

And let's not forget the Blocks, too....

The Kevin Garnett from those two videos WILL be back, soon. Lookout NBA, there goes that man------Kevin Garnett!!!

Fact: Kevin Garnett is 33 years old, and has to date played in over 1000 regular season NBA games, and logged nearly 40,000 NBA mins, most of those as the primary scorer, rebounder, and playmaker for a team that needed him to play at an all-NBA level every night just to finish the season at .500. To put this in perspective, Larry Bird played for 13 NBA seasons, retired when he was 35, and still never broke 1000 regular season games or 40,000 minutes.

Fact: Kevin Garnett's games played, minutes per game, points per game, rebounds per game, blocks per game, and assists per game have all dropped significantly over the last 4 seasons (including this one to date)

Fact: Over those same 4 seasons, his points per 48 mins, and rebounds per 48 mins have also significantly dropped.

Fact: It has taken Kevin Garnett nearly a year (if you even want to consider him "back"..I still think he's a month or two away, assuming he ever gets back his lost athleticism and explosiveness) to recover from the first major injury of his playing career. The injury was caused by bone spurs inflaming the tendons around his knee. Bone spurs in this case (I believe, all you MD's out there correct me if I'm wrong) are the result of a grueling career over 15 years which has seen Garnett shoulder the load for his team year in year out.

Conclusion: Garnett will continue to deteriorate, with the most notable hits coming to his rebounding rate and scoring rate. Until the day he dies he will consistently give 100%, but what that 100% will amount to year after year will continue to shrink. He brings a rare dedication to defense and ego-less desire to win night in night out that is almost impossible to find. No doubt he will have significant value until he retires.

Chris Bosh has played 6 seasons. He's 24. He's one of the top players in the NBA, and he will presumably only improve. He's suffered through poor teammates and never complained, he has shown himself to be a decent guy, and shown a great dedication to fans. His statistics are REMARKABLY similar to Garnett's at the same age.

So what are you looking at? Keep a 33 yr old and allow him to retire in 4 years or so with dignity and honor in a city that has come to embrace him as a newfound son, or painfully trade away the guy who helped reinvigorate the franchise to ensure a chance to remain at an elite level and remain relevant in the championship conversation.

As I said before I will say again, I wouldn't trade Garnett because I believe that player transactions and dealings should never be done without regard to what is "right". It would not be "right" to trade Garnett. However, to an objective observer it would certainly be "prudent".

Look at the numbers and the facts, and stop calling people who would consider this crazy. They're not crazy. Maybe we're crazy for saying we wouldn't do it...but I'm okay with that. No one said to be a fan you had to be rational (but I suppose you ought to be able to recognize a rational argument when you see one).

[GreenFaith1819]

Trading Garnett is like trading the head off of your shoulders.    Big no no.

To the original poster -- Are you out of your mind?

Tommy Point to Greenwise, lol...

Awesome videos. And the funny thing is that we will Certainly see KG doing this stuff again, soon (dunking over folks, dunking in traffic, etc). Give it sometime for him to get his legs back.

And let's not forget the Blocks, too....

The Kevin Garnett from those two videos WILL be back, soon. Lookout NBA, there goes that man------Kevin Garnett!!!

Fact: Kevin Garnett is 33 years old, and has to date played in over 1000 regular season NBA games, and logged nearly 40,000 NBA mins, most of those as the primary scorer, rebounder, and playmaker for a team that needed him to play at an all-NBA level every night just to finish the season at .500. To put this in perspective, Larry Bird played for 13 NBA seasons, retired when he was 35, and still never broke 1000 regular season games or 40,000 minutes.

Fact: Kevin Garnett's games played, minutes per game, points per game, rebounds per game, blocks per game, and assists per game have all dropped significantly over the last 4 seasons (including this one to date)

Fact: Over those same 4 seasons, his points per 48 mins, and rebounds per 48 mins have also significantly dropped.

Fact: It has taken Kevin Garnett nearly a year (if you even want to consider him "back"..I still think he's a month or two away, assuming he ever gets back his lost athleticism and explosiveness) to recover from the first major injury of his playing career. The injury was caused by bone spurs inflaming the tendons around his knee. Bone spurs in this case (I believe, all you MD's out there correct me if I'm wrong) are the result of a grueling career over 15 years which has seen Garnett shoulder the load for his team year in year out.

Conclusion: Garnett will continue to deteriorate, with the most notable hits coming to his rebounding rate and scoring rate. Until the day he dies he will consistently give 100%, but what that 100% will amount to year after year will continue to shrink. He brings a rare dedication to defense and ego-less desire to win night in night out that is almost impossible to find. No doubt he will have significant value until he retires.

Chris Bosh has played 6 seasons. He's 24. He's one of the top players in the NBA, and he will presumably only improve. He's suffered through poor teammates and never complained, he has shown himself to be a decent guy, and shown a great dedication to fans. His statistics are REMARKABLY similar to Garnett's at the same age.

So what are you looking at? Keep a 33 yr old and allow him to retire in 4 years or so with dignity and honor in a city that has come to embrace him as a newfound son, or painfully trade away the guy who helped reinvigorate the franchise to ensure a chance to remain at an elite level and remain relevant in the championship conversation.

As I said before I will say again, I wouldn't trade Garnett because I believe that player transactions and dealings should never be done without regard to what is "right". It would not be "right" to trade Garnett. However, to an objective observer it would certainly be "prudent".

Look at the numbers and the facts, and stop calling people who would consider this crazy. They're not crazy. Maybe we're crazy for saying we wouldn't do it...but I'm okay with that. No one said to be a fan you had to be rational (but I suppose you ought to be able to recognize a rational argument when you see one).

I like folks who do research and look up facts/figures, but I try to have a more literal look at things:

Kevin Garnett has one Championship already. He'll probably help the C's win one (maybe two) more. That would give The Celtics three Championships during his time here.

Do the trade Today for Bosh, and I really don't see the Celtics winning ANY championships....no matter how long their window of opportunity may appear with Bosh.

I really don't think anyone is calling folks crazy, but just the whole concept...sometimes life is more than just numbers.

Look at Bret Favre..40 years old and he is in the MVP running.

[wdleehi]

Trading Garnett is like trading the head off of your shoulders.    Big no no.

To the original poster -- Are you out of your mind?

Tommy Point to Greenwise, lol...

Awesome videos. And the funny thing is that we will Certainly see KG doing this stuff again, soon (dunking over folks, dunking in traffic, etc). Give it sometime for him to get his legs back.

And let's not forget the Blocks, too....

The Kevin Garnett from those two videos WILL be back, soon. Lookout NBA, there goes that man------Kevin Garnett!!!

Fact: Kevin Garnett is 33 years old, and has to date played in over 1000 regular season NBA games, and logged nearly 40,000 NBA mins, most of those as the primary scorer, rebounder, and playmaker for a team that needed him to play at an all-NBA level every night just to finish the season at .500. To put this in perspective, Larry Bird played for 13 NBA seasons, retired when he was 35, and still never broke 1000 regular season games or 40,000 minutes.

Fact: Kevin Garnett's games played, minutes per game, points per game, rebounds per game, blocks per game, and assists per game have all dropped significantly over the last 4 seasons (including this one to date)

Fact: Over those same 4 seasons, his points per 48 mins, and rebounds per 48 mins have also significantly dropped.

Fact: It has taken Kevin Garnett nearly a year (if you even want to consider him "back"..I still think he's a month or two away, assuming he ever gets back his lost athleticism and explosiveness) to recover from the first major injury of his playing career. The injury was caused by bone spurs inflaming the tendons around his knee. Bone spurs in this case (I believe, all you MD's out there correct me if I'm wrong) are the result of a grueling career over 15 years which has seen Garnett shoulder the load for his team year in year out.

Conclusion: Garnett will continue to deteriorate, with the most notable hits coming to his rebounding rate and scoring rate. Until the day he dies he will consistently give 100%, but what that 100% will amount to year after year will continue to shrink. He brings a rare dedication to defense and ego-less desire to win night in night out that is almost impossible to find. No doubt he will have significant value until he retires.

Chris Bosh has played 6 seasons. He's 24. He's one of the top players in the NBA, and he will presumably only improve. He's suffered through poor teammates and never complained, he has shown himself to be a decent guy, and shown a great dedication to fans. His statistics are REMARKABLY similar to Garnett's at the same age.

So what are you looking at? Keep a 33 yr old and allow him to retire in 4 years or so with dignity and honor in a city that has come to embrace him as a newfound son, or painfully trade away the guy who helped reinvigorate the franchise to ensure a chance to remain at an elite level and remain relevant in the championship conversation.

As I said before I will say again, I wouldn't trade Garnett because I believe that player transactions and dealings should never be done without regard to what is "right". It would not be "right" to trade Garnett. However, to an objective observer it would certainly be "prudent".

Look at the numbers and the facts, and stop calling people who would consider this crazy. They're not crazy. Maybe we're crazy for saying we wouldn't do it...but I'm okay with that. No one said to be a fan you had to be rational (but I suppose you ought to be able to recognize a rational argument when you see one).

I like folks who do research and look up facts/figures, but I try to have a more literal look at things:

Kevin Garnett has one Championship already. He'll probably help the C's win one (maybe two) more. That would give The Celtics three Championships during his time here.

Do the trade Today for Bosh, and I really don't see the Celtics winning ANY championships....no matter how long their window of opportunity may appear with Bosh.

I really don't think anyone is calling folks crazy, but just the whole concept...sometimes life is more than just numbers.

Look at Bret Favre..40 years old and he is in the MVP running.

And still only one title.

[jambr380]

I just seems weird to me that people think that we are definitely going to win one or two more titles with an aging KG, but have NO CHANCE with young [semi] superstar in Bosh. Does the mindset of the team fly out the window with trading KG? Is Bosh really that bad? Other posters have said this, but with Big Baby playing most of the minutes at PF, we did very well in the playoffs last year. You are telling me that with Bosh and Sheed, along with Baby, that we have no chance?

I don't know. Maybe I am being too rational about this whole thing, but I believe it would be a no-brainer and if you all think that Celtics management wouldn't be all over this, then you need to re-think things. KG led us to the promiseland. I just hope he doesn't lead us to the lottery by holding on to him for too long. He will always be productive, but we are fools to think that the big three are going to always be at 2007-08 form. You always need to look toward the future and take opportuities that present themselves...don't worry, though- this isn't one isn't be presented anytime soon.