Toronto Idea - Garnett for Bosh

[GreenFaith1819]

ok...maybe we ought to lay this out a little with some numbers.

Garnett, at 24 yrs old:
22ppg 11.4 rpg 5.0 apg 1.79 bpg

Bosh, last season @ 24 yrs old:
22.7ppg 10.0rpg 2.5 apg 1.0 bpg

Garnett's total wins, first six seasons 223
Bosh's wins to date (6 seasons) 214

They're not the same players but Bosh is no bargain basement knock off. I wouldn't trade Garnett because I'm a fan, because I love the team, and I love what Garnett brings to it. An objective person would do this trade in a new york minute.

Very good post, IndeedProceed...it's just that KG brings the Intangibles, though.

You are so correct, though...trade is tempting, but there are no guarantees with it.

It's also a question of Leadership, too...KG in Minny took them to Conference Finals against LA...how far has Bosh taken Raptors?

Again I can see why people would do this trade, so I'm not knocking them. Maybe I'm just too dedicated to Boston.

[Jon]

As much as Celtics fans hate the idea, I think the Celtics would do this without a ton of hesitation, so long as Bosh promised to re-sign.

I don't see the incentive for Toronto, though.  They're too far away from being contenders to have KG be worth it to them.

I don't think we win a title with Bosh though, I think we have a chance to with KG, if he's healthy.

Defensively Bosh has been better so far this season, but in the past years that aspect of his game has been well below what KG provides.

But you're right, the upside of having a young player of Bosh's caliber would mean that DA would do the move in a heartbeat.

This is the problem.  Would Bosh make us good longer?  Sure.  But would Bosh be able to push us over the top?  I don't think so. 

I don't want to be Malone's Jazz; I want to be Jordan's Bulls.  We're the former with Bosh and the latter with KG...even if it is for a shorter time. 

[Gomesfan]

As much as Celtics fans hate the idea, I think the Celtics would do this without a ton of hesitation, so long as Bosh promised to re-sign.

I don't see the incentive for Toronto, though.  They're too far away from being contenders to have KG be worth it to them.

I agree ROy KG is an atique compared to Bosh, but we are all happy where we are! But it would extend are window in my opinion but this is not a move you do in the middle of the season!

[Rondo_is_better]

ok...maybe we ought to lay this out a little with some numbers.

Garnett, at 24 yrs old:
22ppg 11.4 rpg 5.0 apg 1.79 bpg

Bosh, last season @ 24 yrs old:
22.7ppg 10.0rpg 2.5 apg 1.0 bpg

Garnett's total wins, first six seasons 223
Bosh's wins to date (6 seasons) 214

They're not the same players but Bosh is no bargain basement knock off. I wouldn't trade Garnett because I'm a fan, because I love the team, and I love what Garnett brings to it. An objective person would do this trade in a new york minute.

Very good post, IndeedProceed...it's just that KG brings the Intangibles, though.

You are so correct, though...trade is tempting, but there are no guarantees with it.

It's also a question of Leadership, too...KG in Minny took them to Conference Finals against LA...how far has Bosh taken Raptors?

Again I can see why people would do this trade, so I'm not knocking them. Maybe I'm just too dedicated to Boston.

I would do this trade. Bosh is a great player who is much, much younger. A core of Bosh, Perk and Rondo for the future is worth breaking up today's Big Three. Of course it would be bittersweet--I DO love our current team. And I think right now Garnett/Pierce/Allen is better than anything with Bosh involved, and that we wouldn't win a title with Bosh this year, but still...the future. 8-10 years of being a really, really good team. No drop off. That sounds really appealing.

[ssspence]

As much as Celtics fans hate the idea, I think the Celtics would do this without a ton of hesitation, so long as Bosh promised to re-sign.

I don't see the incentive for Toronto, though.  They're too far away from being contenders to have KG be worth it to them.

I don't think we win a title with Bosh though, I think we have a chance to with KG, if he's healthy.

Defensively Bosh has been better so far this season, but in the past years that aspect of his game has been well below what KG provides.

But you're right, the upside of having a young player of Bosh's caliber would mean that DA would do the move in a heartbeat.

The team would feel very hurt by the move -- think Sheed, PP -- but i don't see any reason to say that the Cs would NOT win the title with Bosh. A lot of variables there, but certainly the best team on paper in the game.

[CelticG1]

As much as Celtics fans hate the idea, I think the Celtics would do this without a ton of hesitation, so long as Bosh promised to re-sign.

I don't see the incentive for Toronto, though.  They're too far away from being contenders to have KG be worth it to them.

I don't think we win a title with Bosh though, I think we have a chance to with KG, if he's healthy.

Defensively Bosh has been better so far this season, but in the past years that aspect of his game has been well below what KG provides.

But you're right, the upside of having a young player of Bosh's caliber would mean that DA would do the move in a heartbeat.

This is the problem.  Would Bosh make us good longer?  Sure.  But would Bosh be able to push us over the top?  I don't think so. 

I don't want to be Malone's Jazz; I want to be Jordan's Bulls.  We're the former with Bosh and the latter with KG...even if it is for a shorter time. 

I understand what you are saying but  I think you are severely underrating the rest of our team. We have a much much improved bench from last year and look at how our team did last year. People kept talking about how if we had Sheed last year that we would have made it past Orlando and possibly to the finals etc. What if we had Bosh last year and had baby and Sheed on the bench? I don't think Bosh would downgrade our team as much as people seem to believe. Also he is a very similar player to KG so it wouldn't drastically change our lineup much either. We could probably throw Bosh out there for 35+ min a game without a problem instead of treating KG like a porcelain doll. I don't even know if i'd do this trade but there are more reasons to do it than not to at this point

[Cman]

I don't want to be Malone's Jazz; I want to be Jordan's Bulls.  We're the former with Bosh and the latter with KG...even if it is for a shorter time. 

For the record I would probably do the trade.  But TP for your great metaphor...

[Reyquila]

Why are you assuming Toronto would do that trade? I wouldnt do it if I was them. You think KG is the last Coca Cola in the dessert? He may have been, and I appreciate what he did for us back in 08. But that was then; this is now; If we keep hanging on to our aging stars as did the Celtics of the middle 80"s and we will be staring into another 20 years of nothingness, as we did not so far back. Not that the trades we propose in here are ever considered by the Powers That Be. If its fun to fantasize, thats fine. Just dont get serious about it.

[Reyquila]

Made a mistake in my previous post. It's desert, not dessert. Sorry. lolol

[Jay G]

no, for the love of god no!

[Dybdal]

if we could retain both perkins and bosh beyond this year and if i were the GM of the Celtics i would do it in a heartbeat.

Both Perk and Rondo would make bosh such a better player and then add someone at SF/SG and you would have a competative team but... as a fan i would really be heartbroken to see this trade being done and i dont think the current core of the celtics would respond in a positive way.

Its a trade for the future and one that DA has said he's willing to make

[CelticG1]

Made a mistake in my previous post. It's desert, not dessert. Sorry. lolol

ha TP... I just ignored that part cause i had no idea what it meant. I guess I should have been able to figure it out but it's funny looking at it now

[GreenFaith1819]

The funny thing in all of this is that I wonder how long we would endure just "Competing" in the event of a Bosh-KG trade.

Yes it would make up for the Post-Bird/Mchale/Parish years, but how long would it be before unrest would come to Boston because we weren't satisfied with what the "Future Celtics" were doing?

Even the 2nd round playoffs or even conference finals that Perk/Rondo/Bosh could promise would get old after a couple of times...then we'd be looking to blow up the team again...

[jambr380]

The thing is, Garnett is mostly intangibles right now. If you go on numbers, Bosh is much better than Garnett this year. I get that Garnett has more around him than Bosh, but it's not like the Raptors have nobody else to score the ball.

To me, this isn't really even a debate. The big three experiment worked perfectly the first year, fell apart in the second year, and now we are all crossing our fingers that Garnett's knee holds up and that nothing happens to Pierce, Allen, or the others.

I am happy to have Garnett for several years to come because I think he will be productive and brings a certain mindset to this team, but you can't pass up a guarantee at a bright future for [possibly] a slight advantage in this year alone.

[star18]

Kevin Garnett is the best player in basketball. He is the best player on the court for the 2009-10 season.   The things he does on a basketball court show up in the win column, not the stat column.  How crazy could you possibly be to want to trade KG, ever.    He resurrected the franchise is on title #2 this year, no doubt.  If the Celtics are healthy they win the championship, case closed.   Talking about trading Garnett is crazy.   Have you seen the numbers on this team from when he arrived in 2007 to now in the games he has played.   For the games that Garnett has played in from 2007-2009 the Celtics are the best team of all-time their numbers are ridiculous.    39 Point Final win, 29-3 start, 27-2 start, 7-1 start, and that is 63-6 by the way, 18 wins in a row, 11 wins in a row.   Even suggesting Garnett not be on this Celtics team is ridiculous. Trade Garnett, you might as well move the franchise, change the name, and call us the Mighty Ducks or something.