2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Edgar]

yet after 4 pages of debate nobody earns a new vote today...

[KCattheStripe]

yet after 4 pages of debate nobody earns a new vote today...

VOTE MEMPHIS! THE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE!

[Edgar]

yet after 4 pages of debate nobody earns a new vote today...

VOTE MEMPHIS! THE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE!

lol I just voted 5 tps in your house
thanks for the smile

[Roy Hobbs]

TP for the scrolling text, KC.  And as you remember, I did vote Memphis, at least for the playoffs.

[Fafnir]

yet after 4 pages of debate nobody earns a new vote today...

I'm waiting to cast my vote. I'm leaning on why but I want to give the debate time to sway me one way definitively.

[Roy Hobbs]

yet after 4 pages of debate nobody earns a new vote today...

I'm waiting to cast my vote. I'm leaning on why but I want to give the debate time to sway me one way definitively.

Well, if you're waiting on that, things Rondo has conceded:

1) Shaq is a dominant force in the post;

2) Portland's bench is better;

3) Finley will be outscored by whatever man he's guarding;

4) Michael Redd will have a "scoring edge".

 

[Edgar]

yet after 4 pages of debate nobody earns a new vote today...

I'm waiting to cast my vote. I'm leaning on why but I want to give the debate time to sway me one way definitively.

this shows how close this series will be


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continuacion....


Who will be Garnetts MVP on the finals this year

Ron Artest?

[KCattheStripe]

yet after 4 pages of debate nobody earns a new vote today...

I'm waiting to cast my vote. I'm leaning on why but I want to give the debate time to sway me one way definitively.

Well, if you're waiting on that, things Rondo has conceded:

1) Shaq is a dominant force in the post;

2) Portland's bench is better;

3) Finley will be outscored by whatever man he's guarding;

4) Michael Redd will have a "scoring edge".

 

1) Brook Lopez can guard Shaq 1 on 1
2) Memphis ' bench is more versatile.
3) Especially if its Rudy Fernandez or Wilson Chandler
4) If by "edge" Roy means he will score using scrolling text by using his "Edg-ar".

[Rondo2287]

I said shaq WAS a dominant force in the post but that Z has been playing him even recently.  And you know I havent been thinking about how poor Redd is on defense I think my back court will outscore Portlands.  And Im not sure who will score more, manu or Artest.  And I think that without a currently dominant low post presence KG will once again regain his scoring edge.  Especially since Shaq is going to be out on the perimeter and its going to be Rashard, a natural small forward trying to guard KG. 

[indeedproceed]

TP for the scrolling text, KC.  And as you remember, I did vote Memphis, at least for the playoffs.

Callin in favors, huh?`

[nickagneta]

So let's see if we all have this right:

Starters

Toronto                                    Portland

PG - Andre Miller                     PG - Mike Bibby
SG - Francisco Garcia           SG - Manu Ginobelli
SF - Ron Artest                        SF - Michael Redd
PF - Kevin Garnett                   PF - Rashard Lewis
C - Zydrunas Ilgauskas           C- Shaquille O'Neal

Bench Rotations


Marcus Camby                          Jermaine O'Neal
Hakim Warrick                           Brad Miller
Michael Finley                            Ronnie Turiaf
Marco Belinelli                           Ryan Gomes
Jose Juan Barea                       Delonte West

If this is correct I have to say I like the Portland offense but think a more dominant Toronto defense will keep it in check. One of the reasons being that the Portland offense will revolve around a perimeter shooting game and no rebounding. Lewis might just be the worst rebounding 6-10 PF in the history of the league. Please name me another 6-10 PF that is a worse rebounder than Lewis. Also, none of the starters for Portland at PG, SF or SG are exceptional at rebounding at those positions either. No second chance rebounding will cost Portland possessions and points.

Toronto, on the other hand will have good to very good rebounders at 4 starting positions and will have a toughness/size advantage at all one position, the SG position. If the starting units play 30 or more minutes against each other, Toronto vastly better defense and rebounding easily wins that match up.

Here is where Portland's bench will be so important as will their coaching and substitution patterns. It will be imperative for the Portland coach to limit the amount of time the starting units are playing together as a whole and will need to use their size off the bench as an advantage. Forcing a Rashard Lewis vs. either Ron Artest or Michael Finley or Marco Belinelli will have huge payoffs for Portland. Those players just can't match up against Lewis who should regularly beat Artest and dominate the other players. Also, Portland will need to dominate the boards when their bigs come in and will need to rough up KG as much as possible hoping beyond hope that after 7 games he wears down. Porland can throw in waves of big guys at KG and that needs to be their unlikely focal point of attack and physicality in this series.

I think it goes 7. I think it's really even. I think if Portland had HCA they win game 7 in a good game. I think Toronto wins game 7 at home in a barn burner. My calculations had Toronto having HCA hence my vote.

[Edgar]

 And Im not sure who will score more, manu or Artest.

vrs..

Artest

[bucknersrevenge]

The 1-5 pick n roll rocks Portland to sleep this series. Shaq's best days as a dominant post scorer are over. He's 37 yrs old with a ton of tread of those tires. Length bothers this guy more than it used to. The center position for Toronto outscorers Shaq because Shaq gives up an automatic 2 everytime on the pick n roll either because he's too slow to rotate out on his man or because Miller drives by him if he switches. If anyone rotates Miller kicks it for the 3. Not to mention Portland's depth isn't exactly a great rebounding group.

At the other end Shaq may score but between the length bothering him and the points he's gonna give up at the other end he'll be lucky to get the regular 30 minutes he's good for at best anyway. Toronto is like 2001 Pistons. They may not break 100 everytime but they'll win every game by 10. Guaranteed.

[Rondo2287]

And you make this big deal about how I will slow down Portland but.

How does the weakest defensive backcourt in the league slow down Finley and Miller both of who are good scorers, one better than the other

How does a smaller Manu slow down Artest?

How does Shaq cover Z on the perimeter

How does Rashard guard KG both on the perimeter and on the interior?

[Edgar]

I stick to my last unanswered question


Who will be garnetts MVP this year?

Artest?

I just cant see them winning without having a dominant scorer like Pierce
or even Ray

They just dont have