2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[RebusRankin]

Dont overlook the fact that Portland bench is still the best in the league.
We are more reste
and we are deeper, that counts after a lot of looooong series for toronto and short series for portland

Short! The vote was 16-13. Plus it went down to the wire in voting and my team made a late charge. The WCF was clearly a 7 game series.

[Roy Hobbs]

Dont overlook the fact that Portland bench is still the best in the league.
We are more reste
and we are deeper, that counts after a lot of looooong series for toronto and short series for portland

Short! The vote was 16-13. Plus it went down to the wire in voting and my team made a late charge. The WCF was clearly a 7 game series.

Well, it was shorter than the East, which lasted multiple days.

[indeedproceed]

So Roy...if I went through all your posts would I find one saying that KG is the guy we needed this past playoffs not in general, but specifically to defend Rashard Lewis, because he's one of the few people capable of doing that?

Because I'm pretty sure I could find that exact post.

Well, he certainly is more useful than Brian Scalabrine attempting to stop Rashard.  But yeah, I can't really explain it, other than Rashard has KG's number; he just plays exceptionally well against him (much like T.J. Ford against Rondo.)

How does Rashard do against Artest?

[Edgar]

Of course it was Rebus
but we finish it earlier remember
two days more of rest with a younger team
that matchup against you was epic.

as Roy pointed we are younger...too


and IP we all know what kind of loser artest is
this year the lakers will suffer his effects

[RebusRankin]

Portland has a better bench which I feel wins this for them.

[Edgar]

Portland has a better bench which I feel wins this for them.

ty rebus
If we werent here i wanted  your team as champs

[Roy Hobbs]

So Roy...if I went through all your posts would I find one saying that KG is the guy we needed this past playoffs not in general, but specifically to defend Rashard Lewis, because he's one of the few people capable of doing that?

Because I'm pretty sure I could find that exact post.

Well, he certainly is more useful than Brian Scalabrine attempting to stop Rashard.  But yeah, I can't really explain it, other than Rashard has KG's number; he just plays exceptionally well against him (much like T.J. Ford against Rondo.)

How does Rashard do against Artest?

No idea; it's not going to matter much, because I can't see Toronto moving a 6'6" Artest to PF.  If they do, they've got nobody to guard either Redd or Ginobili.

Rashard is a bad matchup for KG.  Redd and Manu are a bad matchup for Artest and Finley.  Shaq is a bad matchup for Big Z. 

[Edgar]

So Roy...if I went through all your posts would I find one saying that KG is the guy we needed this past playoffs not in general, but specifically to defend Rashard Lewis, because he's one of the few people capable of doing that?

Because I'm pretty sure I could find that exact post.

Well, he certainly is more useful than Brian Scalabrine attempting to stop Rashard.  But yeah, I can't really explain it, other than Rashard has KG's number; he just plays exceptionally well against him (much like T.J. Ford against Rondo.)

How does Rashard do against Artest?

No idea; it's not going to matter much, because I can't see Toronto moving a 6'6" Artest to PF.  If they do, they've got nobody to guard either Redd or Ginobili.

Rashard is a bad matchup for KG.  Redd and Manu are a bad matchup for Artest and Finley.  Shaq is a bad matchup for Big Z. 

this is also  a 2 vrs. one series

Dont overllok JO and Brad Miller they can be the X factor coming off the bench

[indeedproceed]

So Roy...if I went through all your posts would I find one saying that KG is the guy we needed this past playoffs not in general, but specifically to defend Rashard Lewis, because he's one of the few people capable of doing that?

Because I'm pretty sure I could find that exact post.

Well, he certainly is more useful than Brian Scalabrine attempting to stop Rashard.  But yeah, I can't really explain it, other than Rashard has KG's number; he just plays exceptionally well against him (much like T.J. Ford against Rondo.)

How does Rashard do against Artest?

No idea; it's not going to matter much, because I can't see Toronto moving a 6'6" Artest to PF.  If they do, they've got nobody to guard either Redd or Ginobili.

Rashard is a bad matchup for KG.  Redd and Manu are a bad matchup for Artest and Finley.  Shaq is a bad matchup for Big Z. 

I can't believe that Artest is 6'6, or that he's a bad matchup on Lewis, he's stronger and faster.

I also don't think that Big Z is a horrible matchup on Shaq. In their last 5 games or so they seem pretty even.

I worry about Toronto's scoring.

[Roy Hobbs]

I can't believe that Artest is 6'6 . . .

basketball-reference.com: 6'6" (Link).

draftexpress.com:  6'6"

I believe Artest measured out at 6'5" (without shoes) before the draft, so he's going to be listed between 6'6" and 6'7".

Anyway, as mentioned, if Toronto wants to put a 6'6" Ron Artest at power forward to cover Rashard Lewis, good luck covering both Michael Redd and Manu Ginobili (who will be in the game together).

[Roy Hobbs]

I also don't think that Big Z is a horrible matchup on Shaq. In their last 5 games or so they seem pretty even.

First, I don't think the statistics say that, as Big Z has been held below 10 points in five out of eight of the last matchups.

Second, to the extent that Shaq's offensive performances aren't dominant, that's more of a factor of: 1) Shaq not being featured in the Phoenix offense, and 2) Shaq being double-teamed.

Here, Toronto can't double team Shaq.  Well, they can, but if they do they're leaving the league's best foursome of shooters open.  Rashard / Redd / Manu / Bibby will kill Toronto from the perimeter if they get open looks.

[bucknersrevenge]

I'm goin Toronto. Too much defense. Too little defense on the perimeter for Portland. I see major defensive breakdowns on the perimeter when Miller penetrates and only Shaq back there rotating on defense. His best defensive days are long over. I don't like Michael Redd at the 3 defensively either against a much stronger Ron Artest. I think Toronto has enough bodies to throw at Shaq to wear him down and be effective against him offensively with their jumpshots. There isn't a single lineup Portland can throw at Toronto that they can't defend. I see Toronto like that 2001 Detroit team. They'll match you up and frustrate you and frustrate you until you give up and they finally impose their will on you.

[indeedproceed]

In the same way that we as draft participants cannot out of hand disregard Shaq because of his age and past poor performances, we can't disregard Big Z for the one thing he does well, which is defend huge less mobile big men, plus he can hit a 10 footer.

Im not sure any of it matters though, because as I said, where do Toronto's points come from?

[indeedproceed]

Big Z vs Shaq last five games, Big Z out scored him twice, shaq outscored him twice, and they tied once

I dunno if you can blame that on a system, I think tis more due to the players

Where does KG and Big Z factor in defensively? How does Bibby do on Miller? from what it looks to me, there is no one in the post for Toronto, which means driving lanes, but then they don't have anyone besides Andre Miller who can get in there.

[Edgar]

I'm goin Toronto. Too much defense. Too little defense on the perimeter for Portland. I see major defensive breakdowns on the perimeter when Miller penetrates and only Shaq back there rotating on defense. His best defensive days are long over. I don't like Michael Redd at the 3 defensively either against a much stronger Ron Artest. I think Toronto has enough bodies to throw at Shaq to wear him down and be effective against him offensively with their jumpshots. There isn't a single lineup Portland can throw at Toronto that they can't defend. I see Toronto like that 2001 Detroit team. They'll match you up and frustrate you and frustrate you until you give up and they finally impose their will on you.

with all respect on your oppinion b
I would not call, Shaq, JO  Brad Miller, turiaf an easy big men rotation to be worn out too.
Seems like youre matching only starting rotations . And if Toronto frustrates a couple of Portland attacks you better think on what will happend in the other side of the basket
yes maybe they will keep portland under 90 but i cant see toronto scoring more than 75 specially if theyre full handed on defense