The day Scal leaves the Celts will be the saddest day of my life

[GKC]

Scali is a good 12th man that can provide good play for the Celtics in small stretches. 


If he is traded for a better player, I do hope cash for a buyout is included so he can return to his 12th man role.

I think I have misread your opinions of Scal in the past Wdleehi, because I 100% agree with this assessment. As a 12th man, Scalabrine does a great job, and anything over than that, he doesn't. Simply not making mistakes and hustling does not make a good player, especially when he has taken up 3 million a year on the cap for the last 4 years. I will shed no tears if he leaves, in fact I will be happy. We can find someone else, for 1/3 the money that hustles and doesn't make mistakes. If Scal gets bought out, and that's him, fine, but I have serious doubts about anyone who thinks that Scal brings anything more to the table than intangibles, effort, and the occasional 3. Easily one of Danny's biggest mistakes as GM. Perhaps only second to Mark Blount.

Since it is pretty easy to find that, please list me 3-4 players that can be had for vet minimum that can play solid defense on the 4 spot, very good overall team defense, hustles like Scal, is a great team player, and doesn't make many mistakes. They also need to have some offensive ability as well as Scal does stretch the defense with his 3 point shooting. They have to be legit PF size. I am sure DA would like you to forward him a list of those names as well since he would gladly take that for 1/3 the price. They have to be free agents though because we wouldn't want to have to trade away someone else valuable to get them. We have Scal without losing anything right now, so it has to be apples for apples.

First of all, I said its easy to find someone that can hustle and not make mistakes. So this vehement defense of Scalabrine is practically irrelevant to my point, but just to humor you...

Rob Kurz, Shelden Williams, Joe Smith, Tim Thomas, Sean May

Each of these guys are available, unrestricted, and either bring similar skill sets to Scalabrine, or better, and can most likely be had at the veteran minimum. Not to mention, I would rather take a flyer on D-Leaguer who needs a shot, than have to watch Scalabrine play for 3 million dollars as a role player.

I'll give you Smith and maybe Thomas. Sean May and Rob Kurz is a huge stretch.

I do think Scal was very admirable in the playoffs, playing 3 positions and really shooting lights out (his FG% in the playoffs were huge).

What people also overlook is that Doc TRUSTS him enough to play him healthy minutes.

Is he worth 3 million? Probably not. Will he be a great trade chip? Yes he will. But we could do worse, and I woudl still miss him. And few things make the crowd go crazier than a Scal corner 3.

[KingChre]

I really am not trying to come of as a Scal-hater or anything, I know it may seem that way. I think he serves a perfectly utilitarian role as the last guy on your bench. My main point is an obvious one, he's overpaid for what he actually brings to the court, and because of many other intangible factors (not least among them the color of his skin, and hair) a lot of my fellow Celtics fans have developed an attachment to him that I will never get. I don't get tied up in sentimentality, I value skills. He lacks them. He makes up for that some of that lack of skills in effort, and IQ, but not enough (for me) to justify the love he gets around here. That said, I've spoken my peace, and its really a good problem to have when you are discussing the value of the 12th person on your team.

[EJPLAYA]

Scali is a good 12th man that can provide good play for the Celtics in small stretches. 


If he is traded for a better player, I do hope cash for a buyout is included so he can return to his 12th man role.

I think I have misread your opinions of Scal in the past Wdleehi, because I 100% agree with this assessment. As a 12th man, Scalabrine does a great job, and anything over than that, he doesn't. Simply not making mistakes and hustling does not make a good player, especially when he has taken up 3 million a year on the cap for the last 4 years. I will shed no tears if he leaves, in fact I will be happy. We can find someone else, for 1/3 the money that hustles and doesn't make mistakes. If Scal gets bought out, and that's him, fine, but I have serious doubts about anyone who thinks that Scal brings anything more to the table than intangibles, effort, and the occasional 3. Easily one of Danny's biggest mistakes as GM. Perhaps only second to Mark Blount.

Since it is pretty easy to find that, please list me 3-4 players that can be had for vet minimum that can play solid defense on the 4 spot, very good overall team defense, hustles like Scal, is a great team player, and doesn't make many mistakes. They also need to have some offensive ability as well as Scal does stretch the defense with his 3 point shooting. They have to be legit PF size. I am sure DA would like you to forward him a list of those names as well since he would gladly take that for 1/3 the price. They have to be free agents though because we wouldn't want to have to trade away someone else valuable to get them. We have Scal without losing anything right now, so it has to be apples for apples.

First of all, I said its easy to find someone that can hustle and not make mistakes. So this vehement defense of Scalabrine is practically irrelevant to my point, but just to humor you...

Rob Kurz, Shelden Williams, Joe Smith, Tim Thomas, Sean May

Each of these guys are available, unrestricted, and either bring similar skill sets to Scalabrine, or better, and can most likely be had at the veteran minimum. Not to mention, I would rather take a flyer on D-Leaguer who needs a shot, than have to watch Scalabrine play for 3 million dollars as a role player.

This was completely relevant. You said that Scal's skill set was easy to replicate for 1/3 the price. I listed his skills that you and everyone widely agree with, then challenged you to find a few names that qualified. As to those names:

Only Tim Thomas and Joe Smith qualify for that. Rob Kurz may one day fit that mold, but is an inexperienced 1 year player. Not yet in Scal's skillset yet. Sean May has only hustled in the NBA to the buffet line. Shelden Williams is a mental midget. Always has been. Never really felt he was a hustler either.

Tim Thomas played for twice what Scal did last year and is also not a hustler. Even if he agreed to sign for the vet minimum he sure wouldn't be content with his extremely limited role seeing frequent DNP's bunched together throughout the year. He would quickly become a cancer thinking he is better than he really is.

Joe Smith would be a fine addition, but he has expressed absolutely no interest in coming to the Celtics. In fact if anything he has made decisions recently in his career to avoid coming here without offending us publicly.

Remember. Your statement was that these guys had to possess all the same qualities Scal has, sign for 1/3rd of what he was getting paid (vet min) and also be easy for us to go out and get. None of these qualify nor do anyone else really out there.

[vitaminC]

I really am not trying to come of as a Scal-hater or anything, I know it may seem that way. I think he serves a perfectly utilitarian role as the last guy on your bench. My main point is an obvious one, he's overpaid for what he actually brings to the court, and because of many other intangible factors (not least among them the color of his skin, and hair) a lot of my fellow Celtics fans have developed an attachment to him that I will never get. I don't get tied up in sentimentality, I value skills. He lacks them. He makes up for that some of that lack of skills in effort, and IQ, but not enough (for me) to justify the love he gets around here. That said, I've spoken my peace, and its really a good problem to have when you are discussing the value of the 12th person on your team.

TP. Thats similar to how I feel. I almost think the crowd goes crazy when scal scores because they can't believe it. I always get excited, but that's because my expectations are so low that I can praise anything positive he does out there.

He was horrible the first two years, and then filled in admirably (sometimes not so much), when injuries came up. I don't think his minutes were due to doc "trusting him," but more with necessity.

He's a great guy and I love rooting for the underdog, but not when he's on my team. Can we find someone of equal/higher value for 1/3 the price, that we can also sign easily, right at this instant? Maybe not, thats hard to do at the moment, but that doesn't mean Scal was ever worthy of his contract. I bet someone could compile a list of useful free agents over the last FOUR years we could have landed with his tied up salary(i wont go through that).

I'm sure he will be missed by the community and locker room though. Nice/funny dude from what I've seen.

[rondofan9]

The fact is, Brian Scalabrine is not a mascot, except to those fans who are rental fans. The ones who just showed up on this site when we got KG and Ray, and started competing again.  That's when the rental fans started showing up.

agreed, i may be pretty new to the site but i'm no rental fan. The drunk bros that chant to scal and make fun of him make me so angry.

Same Here i may be new here as well but im no Rental fan either i Bleed green i have since day one and If Rondo ever left id shead a tear no doubt

[wdleehi]

Most everyone here is a Celtic's fan.  No need to try and make levels of Celtics fans.  wdleehi

[rondofan9]

Most everyone here is a Celtic's fan.  No need to try and make levels of Celtics fans.  wdleehi

True a Celtic fan is a celtic fan no matter what we are all Bros we must stick together

[akang91]

Where's the same level of hatred for Pruitt who has done less per dollar than Scal? Or Justin Reed, or Dan Dickau, or Orien Greene, or Gerald Green, or Jiri Welsch, or Tom Gugliotta, or Chris Mihm, or Brandon Hunter, or Jumaine Jones, or Kedrick Brown, or Grant Long, and on and on...

Face it guys. We have had a lot of players over the years that have been complete wastes of money. Many much more so than Scal. The main reason you guys pick on him incessantly is because he is a pasty white redhead. If he were just some non-descript guy no one would even bring the guy up. Pretty sad that the majority of the negativity surrounds the guys looks and weight. Pretty immature.

If you leave Scal you will be missed.

how dare you, jiri welsch was my favorite playor. jk, i like scalabrine's hustle and hes a great teammate. Im pretty sure no one believes he should be have gotten 15 million though. My friend loves him, he even has a customized jersey with his name on it. He goes to every game and roots for scalabrine like no other fan

[TerreHaute]

It's not Scal's fault he is overpaid, it's DA's fault. Scal was great for this organization. When he wasn't playing, you never heard a negative word. When he was playing, you got exactly what you thought you were getting. What more can you ask of a guy at the end of your bench. Yes, we could have found cheaper guys to do similar things, but if DA offered you 3 million to do Scal's job wouldn't you take it?

[rondofan9]

It's not Scal's fault he is overpaid, it's DA's fault. Scal was great for this organization. When he wasn't playing, you never heard a negative word. When he was playing, you got exactly what you thought you were getting. What more can you ask of a guy at the end of your bench. Yes, we could have found cheaper guys to do similar things, but if DA offered you 3 million to do Scal's job wouldn't you take it?

Yep good point I love Scal and i would hate to see him go Id much rather see TA go so thats what im hoping ends up happening

[Reggie's Ghost]

Most everyone here is a Celtic's fan.  No need to try and make levels of Celtics fans.  wdleehi

Word.

[KingChre]

Scali is a good 12th man that can provide good play for the Celtics in small stretches. 


If he is traded for a better player, I do hope cash for a buyout is included so he can return to his 12th man role.

I think I have misread your opinions of Scal in the past Wdleehi, because I 100% agree with this assessment. As a 12th man, Scalabrine does a great job, and anything over than that, he doesn't. Simply not making mistakes and hustling does not make a good player, especially when he has taken up 3 million a year on the cap for the last 4 years. I will shed no tears if he leaves, in fact I will be happy. We can find someone else, for 1/3 the money that hustles and doesn't make mistakes. If Scal gets bought out, and that's him, fine, but I have serious doubts about anyone who thinks that Scal brings anything more to the table than intangibles, effort, and the occasional 3. Easily one of Danny's biggest mistakes as GM. Perhaps only second to Mark Blount.

Since it is pretty easy to find that, please list me 3-4 players that can be had for vet minimum that can play solid defense on the 4 spot, very good overall team defense, hustles like Scal, is a great team player, and doesn't make many mistakes. They also need to have some offensive ability as well as Scal does stretch the defense with his 3 point shooting. They have to be legit PF size. I am sure DA would like you to forward him a list of those names as well since he would gladly take that for 1/3 the price. They have to be free agents though because we wouldn't want to have to trade away someone else valuable to get them. We have Scal without losing anything right now, so it has to be apples for apples.

First of all, I said its easy to find someone that can hustle and not make mistakes. So this vehement defense of Scalabrine is practically irrelevant to my point, but just to humor you...

Rob Kurz, Shelden Williams, Joe Smith, Tim Thomas, Sean May

Each of these guys are available, unrestricted, and either bring similar skill sets to Scalabrine, or better, and can most likely be had at the veteran minimum. Not to mention, I would rather take a flyer on D-Leaguer who needs a shot, than have to watch Scalabrine play for 3 million dollars as a role player.

This was completely relevant. You said that Scal's skill set was easy to replicate for 1/3 the price. I listed his skills that you and everyone widely agree with, then challenged you to find a few names that qualified. As to those names:

Only Tim Thomas and Joe Smith qualify for that. Rob Kurz may one day fit that mold, but is an inexperienced 1 year player. Not yet in Scal's skillset yet. Sean May has only hustled in the NBA to the buffet line. Shelden Williams is a mental midget. Always has been. Never really felt he was a hustler either.

Tim Thomas played for twice what Scal did last year and is also not a hustler. Even if he agreed to sign for the vet minimum he sure wouldn't be content with his extremely limited role seeing frequent DNP's bunched together throughout the year. He would quickly become a cancer thinking he is better than he really is.

Joe Smith would be a fine addition, but he has expressed absolutely no interest in coming to the Celtics. In fact if anything he has made decisions recently in his career to avoid coming here without offending us publicly.

Remember. Your statement was that these guys had to possess all the same qualities Scal has, sign for 1/3rd of what he was getting paid (vet min) and also be easy for us to go out and get. None of these qualify nor do anyone else really out there.

I really didn't say anything that you just mentioned, my words exactly were "we can find someone else that hustles and doesn't make mistakes for 1/3rd the price." That's it.

[KingChre]

It's not Scal's fault he is overpaid, it's DA's fault. Scal was great for this organization. When he wasn't playing, you never heard a negative word. When he was playing, you got exactly what you thought you were getting. What more can you ask of a guy at the end of your bench. Yes, we could have found cheaper guys to do similar things, but if DA offered you 3 million to do Scal's job wouldn't you take it?

I certainly don't fault Scal for being paid that much, I applaud his effort actually. I fault DA for giving him that money, which would explain why I said that it is one of Danny's biggest mistakes as GM.

[Eeyore III]

I'll definitely shed some tears... of joy. The guy has been a nonfactor since the day he signed. He's good for a laugh or two, but usually it's at the expense of the Celtics. He is decent at times, but no way is he worth even a fraction of what he is getting paid.

If you're a celtics fan, you should want to see the team win. The Celts could have done a whole lot better with that 15 million then what they did.

Agree and TP.  The only sad thing about Scals leaving will be the lack of hilarious posts from Master Po criticizing him.

[EJPLAYA]

Scali is a good 12th man that can provide good play for the Celtics in small stretches. 


If he is traded for a better player, I do hope cash for a buyout is included so he can return to his 12th man role.

I think I have misread your opinions of Scal in the past Wdleehi, because I 100% agree with this assessment. As a 12th man, Scalabrine does a great job, and anything over than that, he doesn't. Simply not making mistakes and hustling does not make a good player, especially when he has taken up 3 million a year on the cap for the last 4 years. I will shed no tears if he leaves, in fact I will be happy. We can find someone else, for 1/3 the money that hustles and doesn't make mistakes. If Scal gets bought out, and that's him, fine, but I have serious doubts about anyone who thinks that Scal brings anything more to the table than intangibles, effort, and the occasional 3. Easily one of Danny's biggest mistakes as GM. Perhaps only second to Mark Blount.

Since it is pretty easy to find that, please list me 3-4 players that can be had for vet minimum that can play solid defense on the 4 spot, very good overall team defense, hustles like Scal, is a great team player, and doesn't make many mistakes. They also need to have some offensive ability as well as Scal does stretch the defense with his 3 point shooting. They have to be legit PF size. I am sure DA would like you to forward him a list of those names as well since he would gladly take that for 1/3 the price. They have to be free agents though because we wouldn't want to have to trade away someone else valuable to get them. We have Scal without losing anything right now, so it has to be apples for apples.

First of all, I said its easy to find someone that can hustle and not make mistakes. So this vehement defense of Scalabrine is practically irrelevant to my point, but just to humor you...

Rob Kurz, Shelden Williams, Joe Smith, Tim Thomas, Sean May

Each of these guys are available, unrestricted, and either bring similar skill sets to Scalabrine, or better, and can most likely be had at the veteran minimum. Not to mention, I would rather take a flyer on D-Leaguer who needs a shot, than have to watch Scalabrine play for 3 million dollars as a role player.

This was completely relevant. You said that Scal's skill set was easy to replicate for 1/3 the price. I listed his skills that you and everyone widely agree with, then challenged you to find a few names that qualified. As to those names:

Only Tim Thomas and Joe Smith qualify for that. Rob Kurz may one day fit that mold, but is an inexperienced 1 year player. Not yet in Scal's skillset yet. Sean May has only hustled in the NBA to the buffet line. Shelden Williams is a mental midget. Always has been. Never really felt he was a hustler either.

Tim Thomas played for twice what Scal did last year and is also not a hustler. Even if he agreed to sign for the vet minimum he sure wouldn't be content with his extremely limited role seeing frequent DNP's bunched together throughout the year. He would quickly become a cancer thinking he is better than he really is.

Joe Smith would be a fine addition, but he has expressed absolutely no interest in coming to the Celtics. In fact if anything he has made decisions recently in his career to avoid coming here without offending us publicly.

Remember. Your statement was that these guys had to possess all the same qualities Scal has, sign for 1/3rd of what he was getting paid (vet min) and also be easy for us to go out and get. None of these qualify nor do anyone else really out there.

I really didn't say anything that you just mentioned, my words exactly were "we can find someone else that hustles and doesn't make mistakes for 1/3rd the price." That's it.

And my reply was that you can't and asked for proof. The people that you offered were either too pricy to be considered an option, not interested whatsoever in joining the Celtics, rookies who couldn't be depended on, or garbage players. I still am waiting for your people who can be had for 1/3 the price that fit the bill. Tough to do or you would have come up with better examples, and DA would have signed them.

My point is that you don't have to tear down Scal to try and discuss how to improve the team. It isn't his fault that DA over payed him. He's also becoming the player recently that we had hoped for and will be a great big to have behind KG, Perk, Sheed, and possibly one more guy. I don't think he is talented enough to be your first big off the bench if we are going to truly contend, however he is definitely worthy of being a backup on a low end team, and a nice 3rd on a championship team. Just look what he did when KG was out earlier in the year. Solid for a 12th man.