The Grant Hill thread

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reduced role? he should ask posey about how reduced his role was in raising banner 17....

[rondo987]

reduced role? he should ask posey about how reduced his role was in raising banner 17....

very good point.. he will get a lot more attention throughout the league in a backup role here in boston than he would on a couple of teams that barely have a chance at making the playoffs.

[celticinorlando]

i have moved on from grant hill...i am just hoping danny has also. he needs to get a wing NOW not late in the summer when there is nothing but garbage like tony allen out there

[lostjumper]

i have moved on from grant hill...i am just hoping danny has also. he needs to get a wing NOW not late in the summer when there is nothing but garbage like tony allen out there

Agreed. Hopefully Danny is working on other options, becuase I don't think Hill is likely to sign here. He seems more concerned with finding the best place and situation for his family than going to a contender. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but Danny shouldn't waste to much more energy on the guy.

[yall hate]

Who cares why he makes the decision he makes. He is going to do what he thinks is best for himself and his family.

Are all the people who are upset with him upset with Pierce, KG, and Ray Allen for not reducing their salaries?  I mean, they could renegotiate their deals to take much less (they have made enough) and then we could be major players in the FA market.  wouldnt that be good of them.  dont they want to win. 

get real.

FYI I could be wrong but I don't NBAPA allows players to do this. 

KEvin could have signed his extension for less. Paul could opt out next year and do it, so could ray.

His point remains, people play fast and loose with money when it isn't there's, and act like if someone came up to them and said "listen, I'll pay you 2 million to work here, or 4 million to work in NYC" that they would stay put and not even consider going to NY.

I think most people are being dishonest with themselves, and would in fact, NOT take 2 million dollars less to work for the hometown team (never mind that grant hill has zero boston ties, when you think about it. This is his job, and he's going to make the bext choice for his career.)

Exactly my point.  Or people could sign 'extensions' at low money in the new years...

It's easy to sit on a couch and say man, they should do xyz. it's a lot different when you are the person doing the action. 

there are players who will take less to help their team (going to football - look at Tom Brady) and there are players who are out to maximize their payday and let the team fill holes however they can after that (again, looking to football - Peyton Manning).  Obviously as a fan, you appreciate the Brady action, but with these guys having limited years of earning potential and being treated like meat (trades, etc...) it's hard to truly fault someone for taking the most they can get in their limited time (and then you factor in other aspects, like family, city, living arrangements, etc...)

[celticinorlando]

i think danny needs to target barnes, udoko and carney as well as chris wilcox

[StealthB]

Danny should be on the phone talking to agents representing Linas Kleiza and Matt Barnes ASAP.

[bdm860]

I don't get the no respect for him having a ring thing at all. The reason why these backups got rings is because of the experience they brought to squads and what they had to offer in all the time they spent NOT winning rings elsewhere. The body of work for a career is why these guys are taken onto teams on the cusp of a championship and more often than not these guys are the difference between a team that almost wins it all and a team that actually does.

Zo, GP, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, etc., are all guys that earn a championship. Saying any of these guys don't bring enough to a team to get them over the hump makes no sense to me, or that their career is any different. Ask coaches around the league if those players earn those rings, fans are the only ones who would say the contrary. Grant Hill probably won't earn one because as far as I can tell he doesn't have the playoff experience or knowledge of what it takes to win. He hasn't done it enough. I'd rather have Michael Finley personally. Their careers are different because they've been rewarded for what they worked for all those years and they were smart enough to surround themselves with what they needed to make it happen. That's the ultimate career goal, if you achieve that goal you're looked at differently, it's not a sympathy ring, it's capitalizing and should be commended. That's what THEY care about. Does Grant Hill? I don't care, but it doesn't look to be so.

I don't know if this is directed directly towards my comment earlier, or is more of a reply to multiple people.  If it is directed towards me, I definitely never said I did or didn't respect him.  What I did say was that winning a ring next year with Boston wouldn't change my opinion of him at all.

He can go down like Zo or he can go down like regular has-beens

Did Zo go down different than Karl Malone?  If Karl Malone won a ring with LA in '04 would it make you respect him more or less?  If Karl Malone did get that ring with LA, I would still think of him the same way I do of him as I think of the ringless Karl Malone now.

If Dallas beat Miami in '06 (or if the refs didn't call everything Wade's way), would that change your opinion of Zo now?

What I'm saying is, save for some crazy accusation/crime (steriods, rape, child molestation, murder, point shaving, etc.), Grant Hill's legacy is pretty much already set.  What he does now isn't going to change it, it will be just a drop in the ocean.  The less you contribute to a championship team, the less it affects your legacy.

[celticinorlando]

kleiza would be a great fit but he is restricted....don't know if denver is planning on matching for him and i don't think boston has enough left to out bid the nuggets...i am afraid boston is going to be left just finding a warm body hoping they can get PP some rest....who knows at this point...i just dont think what they have on the roster can fill the void at the wing...walker isnt ready...giddens looks to be too small and tony...well is just tony

[Celtic]

i'd like to have him but i'm already less enthusiastic about him that this is actually a tough decision. i want a grant hill that's desperate for a ring. not the grant hill i saw last year that let guys drive right around him like every other phoenix sun.

TP, this is an excellent point.

[Redz]

Doc was on WEEI this morning too, and said much the same.  The Celts would still love to have him but it's going to be tough.

[guava_wrench]

I was just about to post a similar thread.

The point here is that if Hill is even contemplating more money for a playoff-less season in New York and Phoenix then he really is not the type of player you want in Green.

Listening to Sheed's press conference was a breath of fresh air. Comments like "if i need to come off the bench, ill do it" ,"winning is the only thing"

If Grant Hill's wife wears the pants in his relationship and he'd rather give up a shot at a ring so that his wife can make it in music, then i'm sorry but that shows he is not a true winner.

He has never been out of the first round of the playoffs, and Boston is offering him a legitimate title shot and he wants to move to the lottery bound knicks or stay with the lottery bound Suns. Give me a break

Sheed had no better offers! Also, Sheed's wife liked the Boston move.

The worst thing about sports is judgmental fans. I think if we put the same judgmental fans in the same room with Hill and talked to them, we would see who truly has class and is worthy of our respect.

I understand coping mechanisms that people use to overcome loss. But when people post their coping mechanisms on boards like this, it is time to introduce reality.

I wonder how many of these anti-Hillers mocked Malone and Payton when they went to the Lakers.

[celticinorlando]

sounds like doc and danny are moving on to plan B...questions for the board...do you think boston tries to get a legit wing or do they just plan on tony/giddens/walker being the primary back up??

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sounds like doc and danny are moving on to plan B...questions for the board...do you think boston tries to get a legit wing or do they just plan on tony/giddens/walker being the primary back up??

They've got to sign another guy -- remember doc's comments after the year. they've got to sign another guy.

we can all debate the merits of giddens (junk), walker (potential) and TA (salmon and mashed potatoes) but the reality is none of them has proven they can be a consistant mistake free back-up in the league. so they gotta go get one, no matter how unspectacular he may be (i.e. bogans).

[vagrantwade]

People who try to make the argument of "You've already made (X) amount of dollars, why can't you just play for (x)?" clearly have no idea how the world works.

There is a little thing I like to call upkeep. The more expensive your lifestyle, the more it costs to maintain everything.