Baby to the Spurs

[mgent]

if this is true, then i think we definitely need to re-sign Leon. the reason being that we will be signing Big Baby's replacement with the vet minimum and that's not going to get you a player anywhere near the level of Baby.

at least with Leon, there is the chance he comes back this season and returns to his form.

Co-sign.

Ainge's decision not to offer Powe a qualifying offer looks worse and worse. Still, Wallace (!) can split his minutes between the 4/5 so Celtics should manage without Davis.

And however this shakes out I wish Baby the best.

It is one thing to say Danny should offer Powe a min contract, but to say he should have extended a qualifying offer is ludicrous. Why would you sign a player for more money than you have to?

Danny not offering a qualifying offer will never look bad, because he can still sign Powe on July 7 for the min if he wants.

The reason you would sign him to at least 105% of his previous contract is because anything less is stingy.  It's really kind of an insult to offer him less than we did last season.  What if he has a break-out season and someone else gives him an offer?  He's probably gonna think, hey why would i stay with this greedy team?  Honestly, what else are the Celtics gonna do with their money?  I would however object to offering him anymore than a 1 year contract, seeing as his future is foggy.
Also, I'm not sure if this is true, but Powe won't lose his Bird Rights unless he signs with another team right?

[johnnyrondo]

Worried a little about our big man depth.

When we won the title we had PJ, Powe, and Baby backing up Perk and KG.

Now we (so far) only have Sheed backing up Perk and KG (coming off the most serious injury of his career).

I'd strongly consider matching the contract for Baby.

[winsomme]

I don't think this changes anything about not making the QO to Leon. If anything it makes it less questionable as our front court just got a lot better.

I agree the front court is greatly improved tonight.

But, at minimum Davis's departure frees up another roster spot, and increases the odds that Ainge wastes Powe's money on a Robert Swift or Michael Sweetney type.

Or on Powe himself.

even with an extra roster spot freed up if we don't re-sign Baby, you still think a minimum contract to Leon is a waste of money?

I've never been worried about the money aspect. It has been about having the roster spot available for Danny to explore better and healthy alternatives... that he likes of course.

I want to keep Powe, but until the above happens, he simply can't be taking up a roster space.

So if Baby is not here, it increases the chances of a spot for him being available.

For example, if the NBA allowed to have more than 15 roster spots, I'm absolutely certain that Powe would've been offered a contract already.

oh, i thought your response to TWW meant you though offering a contract to Powe would be a waste of money.

anyway, if we don't match an offer for Baby and we sign Hill with the LLE then we are left to minimum contract to fill roster spots...and that being the case, I think Leon becomes a big bargain even with his injury situation...

[mgent]

We still have the LLE and sign and trade alternatives.

Except trades assume out going players and barring a one for two or two for three deal involving Perkins or Ray (no please) we won't fill our remaining roster spots that way.

I'd also prefer we spend our LLE on a swing man (Grant Hill?) or back up PG.

So which F.A. front court player do you prefer to Powe?

That's incorrect.  Trading 2 for 1 with Scal and TA is perfectly reasonable.  They have about 6 million between their contracts.  That could fill up a back-up PG spot no problem (it's more than the MLE).  Also between Pruitt, Walker, and Giddens, that's another 2 million which could be used on a back-up SF (more than the LLE), unless of course one of them is gonna be able to fill it.  Then after the trades are said and done with, we still have the LLE and minimums to use on another big man if BBD doesn't come through.  Trading those guys also allots more roster spaces.  Including BBD we would still have 5 open spots, so acquiring another big guy AND throwing Powe a minimum would be reasonable, leaving 3 spots for whatever other 'small' guys you want (Hudson).

[timepiece33]

Seriously doubt that we don't match an offer to Baby. 

[bucknersrevenge]

This is probably the saddest day of my fan-life since the Lakers won their third title in a row in 2002.

For real?  Is it personality-motivated or do you hate Sheed's game and love Baby's?

If it's the latter, I have to disagree.  Baby rebounds a little, shoots a lot, makes a little and he's set to make a lot of money. If the Spurs are signing him, it means they aren't signing McDyess, and that makes me happy.

And Sheed is a good rebounder and doesn´t shoot too much? Yeah, right.

I´ve lost all my confidence in Danny Ainge.

In fact, I want him fired, if this is true.

LOL You're hilarious! Really, stop. You're killing me over here. I'm giving you a TP for that one.

[mgent]

I personally love most people are down for giving Baby 5.6 million for 1 year of ball, yet you won't offer Powe 1 million for half a year of ball.
'Course, if it was up to me I'd offer both.

[Mencius]

Worried a little about our big man depth.

When we won the title we had PJ, Powe, and Baby backing up Perk and KG.

Now we (so far) only have Sheed backing up Perk and KG (coming off the most serious injury of his career).

I'd strongly consider matching the contract for Baby.

Me too.  I hope they match.  I think Baby is underrated around these parts.  Because of his body mass, low center of gravity, and quick feet, he is a remarkably effective defender against the true behemoths of the league.  In spite of his lack of height, he seemed somehow more valuable as a backup C than a backup PF.  Like I said, particularly against the huge guys.

[The Walker Wiggle]

That's incorrect.

Except I think you agree with me? Any trade where we package some combination of Scal, T.A., Walker and Giddens only opens more roster spots. Of the player that still might possibly be dealt, it's Ray or Kendrick that could bring back two players in trade (And 1. I don't expect Allen will be sent out at this point. Perkins possibly... But 2. I don't like either prospect).

If Ainge allows Davis to sign elsewhere it only underlines his mishandling of Powe. For all his optimism, Budweiser Celtic can't name one minimum salary PF replacement he'd prefer to see in green.

[winsomme]

Worried a little about our big man depth.

When we won the title we had PJ, Powe, and Baby backing up Perk and KG.

Now we (so far) only have Sheed backing up Perk and KG (coming off the most serious injury of his career).

I'd strongly consider matching the contract for Baby.

and Scals, but yeah we need at least one more reliable big...personally I would love that to be Leon.

I think KG, Perk, Sheed, Scals and some vet min guy could hold the fort down until he hopefully returns in Feb.

[Who]

I hope for Glen Davis' sake that this is true, because it would be a great opportunity for him to play good minutes.

That said, it would likely be a terrible move for San Antonio, they need more help than Davis provides and they'd likely end up having to overpay Davis.

[mgent]

That's incorrect.

Except I think you agree with me? Any trade where we package some combination of Scal, T.A., Walker and Giddens only opens more roster spots. Of the player that still might possibly be dealt, it's Ray or Kendrick that could bring back two players in trade (And 1. I don't expect Allen will be sent out at this point. Perkins possibly... But 2. I don't like either prospect).

If Ainge allows Davis to sign elsewhere it only underlines his mishandling of Powe. For all his optimism, Budweiser Celtic can't name one minimum salary PF replacement he'd prefer to see in green.

I guess i do kind of agree with you haha.  I think it's stupid to worry about roster spots when those 5 guys are really considered completely expendable.  If we actually had 10 guys on our bench of the value as Powe I would in no way promote the removing of them to make room for him.  Unfortunately, only about 3 of our bench players have the same value as Powe (even injured).

[johncul]

Match the contract: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3smxdUWquM

I vote Scalabrine for best celebration at around the 0:20 mark.  It looks like he doesn't even know what just occured.

[mgent]

Worried a little about our big man depth.

When we won the title we had PJ, Powe, and Baby backing up Perk and KG.

Now we (so far) only have Sheed backing up Perk and KG (coming off the most serious injury of his career).

I'd strongly consider matching the contract for Baby.

and Scals, but yeah we need at least one more reliable big...personally I would love that to be Leon.

I think KG, Perk, Sheed, Scals and some vet min guy could hold the fort down until he hopefully returns in Feb.

I think KG, Perk, Sheed, Scals, and BABY could hold the fort down until Powe returns in Feb.  No matter the price.
Scratch that, i'd really rather sign a vet min and use Scals in a PG trade.

[mgent]

Match the contract: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3smxdUWquM

I vote Scalabrine for best celebration at around the 0:20 mark.  It looks like he doesn't even know what just occured.

So true.  I was watching random clips on youtube for a while the other day.  Rondo (or Marbury), House, TA, Powe, and Scal is my favorite line-up in the world.  Okay, not my favorite, but for just those 5 minutes every couple games i was SO happy.