FREE POB!

[EJPLAYA]

Yet with all of these very accurate points, when he is in there he puts stats in the columns. BBD too often these days does not. Why not give the kid some more run and see what he can do...

Comparing the stats POB puts up in garbage time to BBD's stats during the actual game is like comparing a kids highschool stats to a kid who has been playing in the ACC.  You just can't compare them.

Besides, you don't need stats to see that when POB is in there, he is completely lost, and is almost never in the right position.  Considering positional defense is an absolute prerequisite for minutes for this team, he has a way to go.

POB was in against Sacramento's second unit. BBD plays 90% of his minutes or more against teams second unit. Do you not think that the second unit of Sacramento was out there trying their hardest to show the coaches something and earn more PT?! Brad Miller may have quit on the game and tried fouling himself out, but that second unit was not quitting.

As far as being lost, yes he is often in the wrong position. He does seem lost at times. So does BBD for that matter which is why he is fouling so much. Yet once again, even though he is lost out there, he still seems to put numbers up. You can't dismiss the fact that POB is a better shooter, better post player, better rebounder, better shot blocker, than BBD. That is a lot of categories to be better in.

Well, we are just going to have to agree to disagree on Davis, since I feel strongly that Davis is the best positional defender on the C's bench, and its not really close. 

As for POB being better than Davis in all of those categories, fine (although I don't completely agree, but it doesn't matter), but he is not a good basketball player.  If he doesn't know where to go, cannot maintain position, and does not play hard, he cannot play meaningful minutes on a top NBA team. 

Not to mention, playing against the Kings second unit is like playing against a normal teams 4th unit...especially on that night.

Jason Thompson sure wasn't quitting. Douby sure wasn't quitting, Donte Green wasn't quitting. Come on guys. Just because the starters quit and wanted to go home doesn't mean their bench did. They were hustling and giving it their all. The guy can only play against the guys that are out there on the floor. I am not saying he would be as successful against the Cavs or Lakers bench, but BBD was also playing against those same scrubs and looked like garbage.

BTW Chris, which of those areas I mentioned POB had better skills in do you disagree with?  (I am being serious, not sarcastic)I think there is a huge difference in every one of those.

If you say so EJ, that bench quit just as badly as the starters. they wer eone pass, jack a shot up and go wait for the celtics shot all fouth quarter.

that was the defintion of garbage time.

Okay. Let's say I give you that. How then does POB end up with the 3 blocks and the points and boards during that time and BBD doesn't?! Maybe the fact that POB is a seven footer with ridiculous wing span and BBD is a fat little SF playing center?! They played against the same guys! Very often the second unit of any team is doing that same thing. Just like ours quite honestly. All I am saying is that what POB brings to the table due to his size difference results in more blocks, more rebounds, and more offense than what BBD brings. If we are playing against a really big scoring backup center then fine, bring BBD in for them. The majority of backup centers though are soft and he will do just fine against them. POB's upside is much higher than BBD's.

[housecall]

Iknow im going to get laughed at on my next statement but here goes,if i was Doc or in his shoes,i would have experimented with POB in the Lakers ga.,definitely the GS game.My main reason  is length,something we need to matchup with the Lakers.I think POB  could have helped some...it also gives Doc and curious fans an idea of how far POB has really developed .Speculation is good for awhile but it gets old.I dont expect POB to actually play like a starter but he  could have helped with some short minutes in neutralizing Bynum or Gasol.   

[billysan]

I really wanted to believe in POB, I cant help but wonder why he isnt getting any run during games. I know the Doc 'second guessers' are saying that Rivers isnt giving him a chance and what could it hurt? I have to say that I believe he must be really bad in practice to not get a look now and then.

OTOH, maybe he just isnt a practice player. Part of me feels the old 'center by committee' message and what can he do worse than BBD as a center? He is certainly much longer and athletic than any of our Powe/Scal/Davis backup crew. He is a bigger offensive threat and a runaway winner as a shot blocker.

Playing next to Powe or even KG for a few minutes here and there would seem to be a no-brainer. Team defense would prevail would it not? This would maximize his shot blocking and length if used correcetly. Better yet, playing with an 'energy' group using a combination of Scalabrine, Davis, House, Rondo, Ray and Tony Allen that is committed to running might even be productive in short stretches.

I still wonder if he is matched up against the second unit big from the other team, how bad can it be? I guess only a live game preview will tell the truth. Can we have one during the regular season please Doc?

[housecall]

I really wanted to believe in POB, I cant help but wonder why he isnt getting any run during games. I know the Doc 'second guessers' are saying that Rivers isnt giving him a chance and what could it hurt? I have to say that I believe he must be really bad in practice to not get a look now and then.

OTOH, maybe he just isnt a practice player. Part of me feels the old 'center by committee' message and what can he do worse than BBD as a center? He is certainly much longer and athletic than any of our Powe/Scal/Davis backup crew. He is a bigger offensive threat and a runaway winner as a shot blocker.

Playing next to Powe or even KG for a few minutes here and there would seem to be a no-brainer. Team defense would prevail would it not? This would maximize his shot blocking and length if used correcetly. Better yet, playing with an 'energy' group using a combination of Scalabrine, Davis, House, Rondo, Ray and Tony Allen that is committed to running might even be productive in short stretches.

I still wonder if he is matched up against the second unit big from the other team, how bad can it be? I guess only a live game preview will tell the truth. Can we have one during the regular season please Doc?

Exactly Billysan that is what im driving at...now i sometimes see why some people get upset with Doc's rotations and decision making with players from time to time.What would it hurt to see,even ifs its just in a game aganist one of the worst teams.Sometimes i can't see the reasoning in acquiring players that they never plan to give any meaningful playing time.   

[MoBSTa_69]

Yeah, Great Job Tonight BBD, I never knew he had such a fast recognition on reading the floor, or the fast recovery time he has, I also never knew he knew how to foul hard under the basket to keep someone from scoring, and how about all those rebounds tonight.


You guy's got me converted, BBD should have got the Tommy Award Tonight.


BBD for MVP!!!!

[CoachBo]

I really wanted to believe in POB, I cant help but wonder why he isnt getting any run during games. I know the Doc 'second guessers' are saying that Rivers isnt giving him a chance and what could it hurt? I have to say that I believe he must be really bad in practice to not get a look now and then.

OTOH, maybe he just isnt a practice player. Part of me feels the old 'center by committee' message and what can he do worse than BBD as a center? He is certainly much longer and athletic than any of our Powe/Scal/Davis backup crew. He is a bigger offensive threat and a runaway winner as a shot blocker.

Playing next to Powe or even KG for a few minutes here and there would seem to be a no-brainer. Team defense would prevail would it not? This would maximize his shot blocking and length if used correcetly. Better yet, playing with an 'energy' group using a combination of Scalabrine, Davis, House, Rondo, Ray and Tony Allen that is committed to running might even be productive in short stretches.

I still wonder if he is matched up against the second unit big from the other team, how bad can it be? I guess only a live game preview will tell the truth. Can we have one during the regular season please Doc?

Exactly Billysan that is what im driving at...now i sometimes see why some people get upset with Doc's rotations and decision making with players from time to time.What would it hurt to see,even ifs its just in a game aganist one of the worst teams.Sometimes i can't see the reasoning in acquiring players that they never plan to give any meaningful playing time.   

Perhaps they discover that those players they acquired are lazy and fairly inept?

[housecall]

I really wanted to believe in POB, I cant help but wonder why he isnt getting any run during games. I know the Doc 'second guessers' are saying that Rivers isnt giving him a chance and what could it hurt? I have to say that I believe he must be really bad in practice to not get a look now and then.

OTOH, maybe he just isnt a practice player. Part of me feels the old 'center by committee' message and what can he do worse than BBD as a center? He is certainly much longer and athletic than any of our Powe/Scal/Davis backup crew. He is a bigger offensive threat and a runaway winner as a shot blocker.

Playing next to Powe or even KG for a few minutes here and there would seem to be a no-brainer. Team defense would prevail would it not? This would maximize his shot blocking and length if used correcetly. Better yet, playing with an 'energy' group using a combination of Scalabrine, Davis, House, Rondo, Ray and Tony Allen that is committed to running might even be productive in short stretches.

I still wonder if he is matched up against the second unit big from the other team, how bad can it be? I guess only a live game preview will tell the truth. Can we have one during the regular season please Doc?

Exactly Billysan that is what im driving at...now i sometimes see why some people get upset with Doc's rotations and decision making with players from time to time.What would it hurt to see,even ifs its just in a game aganist one of the worst teams.Sometimes i can't see the reasoning in acquiring players that they never plan to give any meaningful playing time.   

Perhaps they discover that those players they acquired are lazy and fairly inept?

I dont think it came overnight,there had to been some signs(scouting reports) before they get them,so why take the risk on developing players other teams couldn't get anything from in a couple seasons...i could see if they were rookies.I find it a waste of time/money and pine space.

[CoachBo]

Or maybe it's thinking that we see something in players other teams don't?

And then finding out, for example, that Don Nelson's not as stupid as we hoped he was?

This bench is a mess, bottom line. It needs gutting.

[housecall]

Or maybe it's thinking that we see something in players other teams don't?

And then finding out, for example, that Don Nelson's not as stupid as we hoped he was?

This bench is a mess, bottom line. It needs gutting.

Bingo!Nelly knew what he had and what wasn't ever going to be.

[greenhead85]

Instead of freeing POB, for now let's pick up Steven Hill who I think is a very athletic, defense-oriented 7-footer. He played well for Arkansas. Now he's free since he got waived by OKC to make room for Krstic.

Watch him in this clip:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-msgr&p=steven%20hill%20arkansas&type=

I believe he may be a good fit for our undersized second unit.

[celticmaestro]

Listen, as soon as someone better comes along (PJ, Joe Smith, Deke, Bill Russell) O'Bryant is gone. He wont see big minutes here, if any at all, and it's inevitable that he wont be on our roster for the playoffs.

[ssspence]

Instead of freeing POB, for now let's pick up Steven Hill who I think is a very athletic, defense-oriented 7-footer. He played well for Arkansas. Now he's free since he got waived by OKC to make room for Krstic.

Watch him in this clip:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-msgr&p=steven%20hill%20arkansas&type=

I believe he may be a good fit for our undersized second unit.

this didn't bring up a video, but i'd be curious to see it...

[greenhead85]

Sorry, I clipped the wrong one.

Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djrlKxw1Vak

[ssspence]

Re the Steven Hill video, found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djrlKxw1Vak

Basically shows that the guy can dunk over smaller guys. I've heard very good things about his game from a friend who saw him play a number of times in the SEC, but you have to wonder why Priesti didn't keep him over a number of other big man scrubs on the Thunder.

[greenhead85]

For a 7-foot white big guy, he's quick, with excellent mobility, young (age 23), athletic, very serviceable and finishing strong to the hoop.
From the clip, he's quicker than Brad Miller, Kaman, POB!, even Nowitzki.
With length, mobility and shot-blocking qualities, I believe he can do these better than Powe, BBD, and POB.