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Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2008, 01:56:57 PM »

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POB may not be Deke or Camby, but he is still very young and could be developed.

But your not going to have a rose garden without watering it.

In fact the warriors game was prob more or less meaningless.
Had I been the coach, I would have give POB prob 15 mins last night.

I would have found out last night, Whether POB had there fire it takes to play the game or not and also cut the mins of The Big 3 a tad.

If POB never lived up to the game I could have still rested my players a bit for the road trip.


And if you were the coach you may have lost the confidence of your entire roster who know that each and every one of them deserve playing time before POB. You just can not give minutes to players that do not deserve the playing time. players have to earn their PT not be given gifts to appease fans who think that they know more than the coaches on the sidelines.

I don't think starting POB, due to an injury, is any worse than Scal starting when KG was out last year.

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Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2008, 01:59:04 PM »

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POB may not be Deke or Camby, but he is still very young and could be developed.

But your not going to have a rose garden without watering it.

In fact the warriors game was prob more or less meaningless.
Had I been the coach, I would have give POB prob 15 mins last night.

I would have found out last night, Whether POB had there fire it takes to play the game or not and also cut the mins of The Big 3 a tad.

If POB never lived up to the game I could have still rested my players a bit for the road trip.


And if you were the coach you may have lost the confidence of your entire roster who know that each and every one of them deserve playing time before POB. You just can not give minutes to players that do not deserve the playing time. players have to earn their PT not be given gifts to appease fans who think that they know more than the coaches on the sidelines.

I don't think starting POB, due to an injury, is any worse than Scal starting when KG was out last year.

As long as I live and coach this game, I will never understand Celticfan's fascination with players who've done absolutely nothing with their careers ...

Brandon Hunter. Gerald Green. Paddy O'Blount.


you're a coah  :o  ;)

Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2008, 02:03:25 PM »

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Yeah.

You obviously aren't.
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Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2008, 02:05:51 PM »

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Yeah.

You obviously aren't.

if you say so

Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2008, 02:21:03 PM »

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POB may not be Deke or Camby, but he is still very young and could be developed.

But your not going to have a rose garden without watering it.

In fact the warriors game was prob more or less meaningless.
Had I been the coach, I would have give POB prob 15 mins last night.

I would have found out last night, Whether POB had there fire it takes to play the game or not and also cut the mins of The Big 3 a tad.

If POB never lived up to the game I could have still rested my players a bit for the road trip.


And if you were the coach you may have lost the confidence of your entire roster who know that each and every one of them deserve playing time before POB. You just can not give minutes to players that do not deserve the playing time. players have to earn their PT not be given gifts to appease fans who think that they know more than the coaches on the sidelines.
This is a great point that chronic second guessers often can't grasp.

A coach can't do every possible option during a game. There are always options he won't choose. If the team loses, second guessers will latch on to whatever they can from the things the coach didn't choose to do and say he should have done them.

This is even easier when people latch on to mediocre talents who don't get playing time because they aren't ready to contribute. It is one thing to believe that Powe or BBD should get more or less minutes. Arguing for POB minutes is another. He hasn't shown the coaching staff anything since the begining of training camp. Why should Doc sacrifice Powe or BBD minutes for POB?

Is mentioning Scal relevant? Scal starts with Perk. POB would not start with Perk. They both are center only at this point. Scal also plays minutes at the 3. POB will not play minutes at the 3.

I suppose you could argue that we could have played POB instead of Scal if we had the Pruitt, House, and TA lineup while BBD was out, but how does this make a difference this season? How is that significant? Personally, I feel Scal is currently a better contributor than POB, though I hope POB can improve by March.

Also, why would they play POB to find out if he has the 'fire' it takes. They already feel pretty sure he doesn't!

Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2008, 02:36:21 PM »

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Why should Doc sacrifice Powe or BBD minutes for POB?

I feel Scal is currently a better contributor than POB, though I hope POB can improve by March.

Also, why would they play POB to find out if he has the 'fire' it takes. They already feel pretty sure he doesn't!

Because the bench is not delivering and is too small

Scal is a veteran and being compared to guys who are rookies or in their 2nd year. he is not going to get any better no matter how many minutes Doc gives him. The other guys might. I really don't see the point of playing Scal the team would do the same or better without him

You may be right on the last point but I have always been a believer in the proof being in the pudding. Throw POB in the deep end and let him sink or swim

Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2008, 02:42:18 PM »

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Why should Doc sacrifice Powe or BBD minutes for POB?

I feel Scal is currently a better contributor than POB, though I hope POB can improve by March.

Also, why would they play POB to find out if he has the 'fire' it takes. They already feel pretty sure he doesn't!

Because the bench is not delivering and is too small

Scal is a veteran and being compared to guys who are rookies or in their 2nd year. he is not going to get any better no matter how many minutes Doc gives him. The other guys might. I really don't see the point of playing Scal the team would do the same or better without him

You may be right on the last point but I have always been a believer in the proof being in the pudding. Throw POB in the deep end and let him sink or swim
There are opportunity costs for playing players. You can't play them all.

And even if he played POB, you could still argue 'give him more minutes' or 'play him some more games for him to get comfortable' if he was garbage for 5 games.

I think you are mistaken about Scal. Of course he plays better when he gets minutes. Giving a veteran a string of DNPs affects their game, even if they are veterans. Beyond that, athletic ability may not develop past a certain age, but skills can. Even a veteran can improve.

Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2008, 02:44:02 PM »

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POB may not be Deke or Camby, but he is still very young and could be developed.

But your not going to have a rose garden without watering it.

In fact the warriors game was prob more or less meaningless.
Had I been the coach, I would have give POB prob 15 mins last night.

I would have found out last night, Whether POB had there fire it takes to play the game or not and also cut the mins of The Big 3 a tad.

If POB never lived up to the game I could have still rested my players a bit for the road trip.


And if you were the coach you may have lost the confidence of your entire roster who know that each and every one of them deserve playing time before POB. You just can not give minutes to players that do not deserve the playing time. players have to earn their PT not be given gifts to appease fans who think that they know more than the coaches on the sidelines.
This is a great point that chronic second guessers often can't grasp.

A coach can't do every possible option during a game. There are always options he won't choose. If the team loses, second guessers will latch on to whatever they can from the things the coach didn't choose to do and say he should have done them.

This is even easier when people latch on to mediocre talents who don't get playing time because they aren't ready to contribute. It is one thing to believe that Powe or BBD should get more or less minutes. Arguing for POB minutes is another. He hasn't shown the coaching staff anything since the begining of training camp. Why should Doc sacrifice Powe or BBD minutes for POB?

Is mentioning Scal relevant? Scal starts with Perk. POB would not start with Perk. They both are center only at this point. Scal also plays minutes at the 3. POB will not play minutes at the 3.

I suppose you could argue that we could have played POB instead of Scal if we had the Pruitt, House, and TA lineup while BBD was out, but how does this make a difference this season? How is that significant? Personally, I feel Scal is currently a better contributor than POB, though I hope POB can improve by March.

Also, why would they play POB to find out if he has the 'fire' it takes. They already feel pretty sure he doesn't!

Do we know this for a fact? Or are we speculating this because POB never plays. Because I remember Doc doing the same thing (not playing) to Powe, Perk, and Jefferson.
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Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2008, 03:06:57 PM »

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POB may not be Deke or Camby, but he is still very young and could be developed.

But your not going to have a rose garden without watering it.

In fact the warriors game was prob more or less meaningless.
Had I been the coach, I would have give POB prob 15 mins last night.

I would have found out last night, Whether POB had there fire it takes to play the game or not and also cut the mins of The Big 3 a tad.

If POB never lived up to the game I could have still rested my players a bit for the road trip.


And if you were the coach you may have lost the confidence of your entire roster who know that each and every one of them deserve playing time before POB. You just can not give minutes to players that do not deserve the playing time. players have to earn their PT not be given gifts to appease fans who think that they know more than the coaches on the sidelines.
This is a great point that chronic second guessers often can't grasp.

A coach can't do every possible option during a game. There are always options he won't choose. If the team loses, second guessers will latch on to whatever they can from the things the coach didn't choose to do and say he should have done them.

This is even easier when people latch on to mediocre talents who don't get playing time because they aren't ready to contribute. It is one thing to believe that Powe or BBD should get more or less minutes. Arguing for POB minutes is another. He hasn't shown the coaching staff anything since the begining of training camp. Why should Doc sacrifice Powe or BBD minutes for POB?

Is mentioning Scal relevant? Scal starts with Perk. POB would not start with Perk. They both are center only at this point. Scal also plays minutes at the 3. POB will not play minutes at the 3.

I suppose you could argue that we could have played POB instead of Scal if we had the Pruitt, House, and TA lineup while BBD was out, but how does this make a difference this season? How is that significant? Personally, I feel Scal is currently a better contributor than POB, though I hope POB can improve by March.

Also, why would they play POB to find out if he has the 'fire' it takes. They already feel pretty sure he doesn't!

Do we know this for a fact? Or are we speculating this because POB never plays. Because I remember Doc doing the same thing (not playing) to Powe, Perk, and Jefferson.
Doc's only recent comments about POB have been regarding the (lack of) speed of his game.

POB is also in his 3rd year at the age of 22. I do not see any parallel to Jefferson, who played in 71 games and averaged 15 minutes as a rookie. Jefferson played.

Perk wasn't ready coming out of HS, but 'fire' was never an issue. Are you honestly saying Perk should have had regular minutes early in his career? I'd be surprised if many agree with that. POB admitted yesterday that he didn't work hard enough in GS. Perk and Powe are incredibly hard workers. When Powe didn't play, it was because of Doc's feelings regarding his basketball IQ (defensive rotations and such).

I don't remember Doc ever saying since then that he regrets not playing Powe more in the past. I don't see this as a miscalculation at all, but rather as wise usage of Powe.

It is also grossly unfair when we evaluate a players' minutes in the past based on his skill after he had a few year to develop. Perk was not capable 2 years ago of doing what he is doing now. I know some like to argue 'why didn't we keep Bowen, Wallace, and Chauncey' even though the players bounced around some more before sticking with teams after us.

I'm actually not quite sure why you mentioned those 3 guys in connection to POB. The only connection I can see (with Powe and Perk at least) is Doc doesn't like to play players who are half-baked. He doesn't get carried away with hoping for the best in a prospect. That doesn't seem to be support for playing POB.

Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2008, 03:12:26 PM »

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I see some bright spots in Paddy's game.  He can hit the mid-range jumper, and he seems to have good shot blocking instincts.

To me it seems his biggest problem is his strength.  He needs to add about 30 lbs of muscle to play center in this league.  Maybe that has something to do with the work ethic comments that have always surrounded him?

Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2008, 05:02:12 PM »

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POB may not be Deke or Camby, but he is still very young and could be developed.

But your not going to have a rose garden without watering it.

In fact the warriors game was prob more or less meaningless.
Had I been the coach, I would have give POB prob 15 mins last night.

I would have found out last night, Whether POB had there fire it takes to play the game or not and also cut the mins of The Big 3 a tad.

If POB never lived up to the game I could have still rested my players a bit for the road trip.


And if you were the coach you may have lost the confidence of your entire roster who know that each and every one of them deserve playing time before POB. You just can not give minutes to players that do not deserve the playing time. players have to earn their PT not be given gifts to appease fans who think that they know more than the coaches on the sidelines.
This is a great point that chronic second guessers often can't grasp.

A coach can't do every possible option during a game. There are always options he won't choose. If the team loses, second guessers will latch on to whatever they can from the things the coach didn't choose to do and say he should have done them.

This is even easier when people latch on to mediocre talents who don't get playing time because they aren't ready to contribute. It is one thing to believe that Powe or BBD should get more or less minutes. Arguing for POB minutes is another. He hasn't shown the coaching staff anything since the begining of training camp. Why should Doc sacrifice Powe or BBD minutes for POB?

Is mentioning Scal relevant? Scal starts with Perk. POB would not start with Perk. They both are center only at this point. Scal also plays minutes at the 3. POB will not play minutes at the 3.

I suppose you could argue that we could have played POB instead of Scal if we had the Pruitt, House, and TA lineup while BBD was out, but how does this make a difference this season? How is that significant? Personally, I feel Scal is currently a better contributor than POB, though I hope POB can improve by March.

Also, why would they play POB to find out if he has the 'fire' it takes. They already feel pretty sure he doesn't!

Do we know this for a fact? Or are we speculating this because POB never plays. Because I remember Doc doing the same thing (not playing) to Powe, Perk, and Jefferson.
Doc's only recent comments about POB have been regarding the (lack of) speed of his game.

POB is also in his 3rd year at the age of 22. I do not see any parallel to Jefferson, who played in 71 games and averaged 15 minutes as a rookie. Jefferson played.

Perk wasn't ready coming out of HS, but 'fire' was never an issue. Are you honestly saying Perk should have had regular minutes early in his career? I'd be surprised if many agree with that. POB admitted yesterday that he didn't work hard enough in GS. Perk and Powe are incredibly hard workers. When Powe didn't play, it was because of Doc's feelings regarding his basketball IQ (defensive rotations and such).

I don't remember Doc ever saying since then that he regrets not playing Powe more in the past. I don't see this as a miscalculation at all, but rather as wise usage of Powe.

It is also grossly unfair when we evaluate a players' minutes in the past based on his skill after he had a few year to develop. Perk was not capable 2 years ago of doing what he is doing now. I know some like to argue 'why didn't we keep Bowen, Wallace, and Chauncey' even though the players bounced around some more before sticking with teams after us.

I'm actually not quite sure why you mentioned those 3 guys in connection to POB. The only connection I can see (with Powe and Perk at least) is Doc doesn't like to play players who are half-baked. He doesn't get carried away with hoping for the best in a prospect. That doesn't seem to be support for playing POB.

POB did admit that he did not work hard in GS but I've not heard those things about him in Boston. I do remember reading this article and I don't know why things have changed:

http://www.weei.com/pages/3077787.php?

"Patrick's a great guy," Perkins said. "He comes in, he's willing to listen, he asks questions, and he's a great player. I think Patrick will help us a lot. He'll give us athleticism and I think he's a good addition to our team."






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Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2008, 05:17:11 PM »

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POB did admit that he did not work hard in GS but I've not heard those things about him in Boston. I do remember reading this article and I don't know why things have changed...

Well, there's this quote from Boston:

Quote from: Doc Rivers
It's like we tell him every day, there's a Patrick speed and a Celtics speed, and we're trying to get him to the Celtics speed all the time.

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Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2008, 08:26:14 PM »

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get rid of him, he is a stiff.

wish someone would do this to him again  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv58sCIEhRQ

Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2008, 08:30:53 PM »

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i remember seeing that video a while back... i'm amazed at how much popcorn they managed to get in there. thats an impressive prank.

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Re: FREE POB!
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2008, 08:47:37 PM »

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He's one of the softest players I've ever seen. KG must rip his head off in practice.