2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!

[Moranis]

I am going to take the guy that grew up right down the street from me.  Toledo native Jim Jackson.  Real shame he got hurt and the trio of Kidd, Mash, and JJ never got to reach their full potential. 

Still deciding if I want to take the explosive pre-injury Jackson or the great shooting vet version he was in Houston later in his career.

How hard he fell off never made sense to me. He was still a good athlete in the late 90s after the injury trouble in the mid-90s.

I was always expecting him to take on a larger scoring role on all those teams he joined. Never did.

He was so explosive at Ohio State and the first couple of seasons, he lost that explosiveness with that first injury.  He was still a good athlete, but had to play in a way he never had before, which is why he became such a good shooter.  He couldn't blow by people so he shot over them.

[Roy H.]

Sorry for being late.

J.J. Redick

[gouki88]

In defence of the maligned Jerry Stackhouse, my 11th man, I want to show that his efficiency was actually (alarmingly) quite normal for the era.
   
         Stackhouse %   League average %
FG%        40                       44
3PT%      35                       35
2PT%      42                       46
EFG%      45                       47
TS%       52                       52
FT%        82                       75

The numbers don't lie - Stack was pretty middle of the road in terms of efficiency, despite his incredible volume on poor Detroit teams.

He was an incredible scorer. There wouldn't be too many players in the pool who have scored more in a single season than he did in 00-01 (2380 points). His offensive arsenal was diverse, combining skill and athleticism in order to generate a bunch of different looks. He drew fouls with the best of them, and he uses his threatening mid-range game to generate driving opportunities. He also dropped 46 on Kobe in 2001.

I've been mainly going for efficient guys thus far, but decided I wanted someone who could put up 25FGAs without worrying too much as a third stringer.

[celticinorlando]

I am going to take the guy that grew up right down the street from me.  Toledo native Jim Jackson.  Real shame he got hurt and the trio of Kidd, Mash, and JJ never got to reach their full potential. 

Still deciding if I want to take the explosive pre-injury Jackson or the great shooting vet version he was in Houston later in his career.

God I love Jimmy Jackson. Ohio State royalty

[Donoghus]

The Sacramento Kings select: Doug Christie (& his wife)

[Roy H.]

The Sacramento Kings select: Doug Christie (& his wife)

Can't have one without the other.

[smokeablount]

The Sacramento Kings select: Doug Christie (& his wife)

[dang], nice pick. I would’ve picked him in the last round.

Not sure who the next man up is. Maybe just BPA.

[Donoghus]

The Sacramento Kings select: Doug Christie (& his wife)

[dang], nice pick. I would’ve picked him in the last round.

Not sure who the next man up is. Maybe just BPA.

Thanks.  Was looking to shore up my perimeter D a bit and he was also pretty serviceable with the 3 ball.

[Who]

Not directly related to the game more tangential ... I just found it interesting.

I was reading some stats arguments. Someone said Iverson had the same playoff TS% as McGrady. Not true. But closer than I expected. Iverson had a career TS% of 48.9% McGrady 51.2%. Still a two percent dfference. Kobe was at 54% for his career.

McGrady's last two playoff series in Houston, one breakout year in Toronto and first season in Orlando saw him have a TS% of 48-49% in each of those four playoff runs. In the years selected here McGrady had a three year run where posted 55-56% TS%. Good numbers.

I was surprised by how many bad years McGrady had efficiency wise in the post-season. Three good campaigns vs four bad ones. Or 3 vs 3 if you want to discount McGrady's TOR campaign and only count seasons where he was the main man. I know he was very consistent in the raw production (ppg, rpg, apg) but I did not realize he was so up-and-down efficiency wise. Large differences.

[Who]

I was watching game 5 of the 1994 ECR1 series. A Danny Manning game. I forgot he played SF on that Hawks team to replace Nique. He was matched up with Glen Rice. Outplayed Rice comfortably. Rice was quiet. Looking at the stats, Rice had a bad series throughout against Manning.

But it was Mookie Blaylock who stole the show. He dominated the game on both ends of the floor. His defense caused havoc for Miami's medioce PGs while on offense his passing created good shots for all of his teammates. He led ATL to a lead early and they held it throughout.

That Miami team always felt to me like they underachieved. Two strong wings. 3 quality big men. 2 below average but adequate PGs. Felt like they should've been more than a .500 team. More like a 45-49 win team.

[Kernewek]

Last pick for the round, the Washington generals are adding the best passer from the entire field - Jason ‘White Chocolate’ Williams!

[Moranis]

Not directly related to the game more tangential ... I just found it interesting.

I was reading some stats arguments. Someone said Iverson had the same playoff TS% as McGrady. Not true. But closer than I expected. Iverson had a career TS% of 48.9% McGrady 51.2%. Still a two percent dfference. Kobe was at 54% for his career.

McGrady's last two playoff series in Houston, one breakout year in Toronto and first season in Orlando saw him have a TS% of 48-49% in each of those four playoff runs. In the years selected here McGrady had a three year run where posted 55-56% TS%. Good numbers.

I was surprised by how many bad years McGrady had efficiency wise in the post-season. Three good campaigns vs four bad ones. Or 3 vs 3 if you want to discount McGrady's TOR campaign and only count seasons where he was the main man. I know he was very consistent in the raw production (ppg, rpg, apg) but I did not realize he was so up-and-down efficiency wise. Large differences.

I don't think it is just the post season.  McGrady for his career has a TS% of just 51.9 in the regular season.  Iverson is 51.8% for his career.  TMac was an inefficient ball dominant chucker for much of his career. Even his mega year here his TS% was 56.4% with a USG% over 35.  There are plenty of reasons he never won anything, but the poor efficiency with high usage is perhaps the biggest one.

[Who]

I am watching a game from the 1977 Finals. Rick Barry just made a comment about Julius Erving and Bill Walton. He said the leading scorer in the Finals has won just 4 times in the last 20 years. That is incredible. In that era, balanced scoring trumped sole high scorer.

I imagine Russell's Celtics had a lot to do with that. E Baylor and J West finishing as leading scorers a bunch of times. Wilt as opponent in the early to mid 60s finishing as the leading scorer. Maybe the same happened with the early 70s Knicks. Rick Barry himself would have outscored everyone on the 1967 76ers. He also would've been the leading scorer on the successful 1975 Warriors.

[Who]

Some KJ stats from a youtube comment

- Kevin Johnson's 6 best seasons
20.4 ppg 12.2 apg on 51%
22.5 ppg 11.4 apg on 50%
22.2 ppg 10.1 apg on 52%
19.7 ppg 10.7 apg on 48%
20.0 ppg 9.5 apg on 49%
20.1 ppg 9.3 apg on 50%

In comparison to CP3's stats in a more PG friendly era

- Chris Paul's 6 best seasons (as high as 2nd place in MVP voting)
22.8 ppg 11.0 apg on 50%
21.1 ppg 11.0 apg on 49%
19.1 ppg 10.7 apg on 47%
19.8 ppg 9.1 apg on 48%
18.7 ppg 10.7 apg on 49%
16.9 ppg 9.7 apg on 48%

KJ averaged 12+ apg in 88/89 and nobody has done that since Stockton in 94/95.

He also had a 46-10 performance in Game 7 against Hakeem's Rockets. I can't think of anybody in recent memory that put up that type of offensive performance in a Game 7.

KJ is the only player in history along with Oscar and Isiah to average 20-10 for 3 straight seasons, and he was 0.3 ppg from doing it for a 4th straight season (Isiah and Oscar also both had 4 straight 20-10 seasons)

I saw elsewhere that Magic also had 3 years of 20-10 but not 3 straight years.

KJ and Magic share some records.

- Only players ever to average 20-12 and 50% FG% in a season.
- Only players to average 20-10 50% FG% twice. KJ almost had a 3rd season but was at 49.9% so just missed out.
- KJ almost averaged 20-10 50% for his 9 years as a full time starter in Phoenix but just missed out at 19.8ppg, 10apg & 49.7% FG%. Magic is the only player in league history to average 20-10 50% (19.7ppg, 11.4apg 52% FG%) for his career if you discount his comeback season in 1996. Both players lived at the foul line as well as shooting a high FG% for very high TS%.

[Moranis]

The 3 point shot has made it unlikely that someone will do 20 ppg, 10 apg and 50% shooting overall.  I mean Lebron was only at 49.3% overall when he had his 10+ assist season, though Lebron was at 56.4% from 2.  When Johnson did that he shot less than one 3 a game.