2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!

[Who]

With their final pick, the Orlando Magic select...

Paul Millsap!

Great pick, this was the guy I couldn't believe was still on the board.

Yeah, I thought Millsap would be an earlier pick. A proven three point threat while providing some muscle. I thought that would be regarded more highly.

[gouki88]

Was very surprised to see him still available in the last round. Had back-to-back seasons of being a 25+ point scorers while making the conference finals in each season.

Potentially worth starting too. 12th rounder going to give you a bit to think about!

[RPGenerate]

Was very surprised to see him still available in the last round. Had back-to-back seasons of being a 25+ point scorers while making the conference finals in each season.

Potentially worth starting too. 12th rounder going to give you a bit to think about!

That's a first, I don't think I've had a draft on here where I could potentially start my last pick 

[theswitch]

I would really strongly think about starting Millsap -- great pick at this point!

Chambers slipped under my radar, cool pick.

[gouki88]

I would really strongly think about starting Millsap -- great pick at this point!

Chambers slipped under my radar, cool pick.

I love Millsap, but unsure I'd start him. What might be the case is that I start Webber and Cummings, and have Sampson and Millsap as my bench bigs with Bogut as 3rd string / situational for the big burly 5s.

[theswitch]

I would really strongly think about starting Millsap -- great pick at this point!

Chambers slipped under my radar, cool pick.

I love Millsap, but unsure I'd start him. What might be the case is that I start Webber and Cummings, and have Sampson and Millsap as my bench bigs with Bogut as 3rd string / situational for the big burly 5s.

Ah I'm sorry my bad. I mixed you and RPG up. I thought if he had drafted Millsap that might be worth starting over Detlef. RPG should start Chambers 

[Who]

Mehmet Okur. 44.6% 3PT% from center.  A man before his time.

I was listening to an interview with one of Memo's former teammates. Maybe it was Deron Williams on the Knucklehead's Podcast -- I was listening to a bunch of those while this game was going on; to the players I was thinking of drafting.

And they were talking about how Memo would do in today's league. They were talking about him as a 25ppg scorer. That he would tear it up in today's game. That he was such a good shooter and with a green light to fire up 3s he'd be a huge scorer in the game. The interviewers agreed with whoever the player was. I think Deron, D Miles and Q.

Interesting perspective on Okur.

[Who]

I would really strongly think about starting Millsap -- great pick at this point!

Chambers slipped under my radar, cool pick.

I love Millsap, but unsure I'd start him. What might be the case is that I start Webber and Cummings, and have Sampson and Millsap as my bench bigs with Bogut as 3rd string / situational for the big burly 5s.

Ah I'm sorry my bad. I mixed you and RPG up. I thought if he had drafted Millsap that might be worth starting over Detlef. RPG should start Chambers 

Ooh, that is a nice 5 man big man rotation.

- One big beefy defensive center in Bogut.
- One finesse skilled quick five in R Sampson.
- A pair of 6-9 multi-skilled 260lbs PFs in Cummings and C-Webb. Webber can slide over to the five as well. Positional versatility.
- Then a smaller PF with speed and shooting to backup T Cummings.

Beautiful balance of skill-sets and ability to play alongside one another in all different types of combinations. To play any style of basketball. To matchup against anyone. Or create matchup problems for anyone.

[Who]

Sorry about that everyone - had something come up unexpectedly.

The Washington Generals select the nearly-forgotten Derrick Coleman!

The talent was certainly there.  His attitude on the other hand....

I was thinking about selecting D Coleman as well. If V Baker wasn't there, Coleman was in my final thoughts for the pick. I decided on David West over him in the end.

I loved Coleman's rebounding. I wanted a strong rebounder next to Zo but I didn't get one. Good defender too. Wonderful skill-set on offense. Coleman had everything. But I got turned off by his shot selection and inefficiency. Just too many bad jump-shots. His shooting percentages on jump-shots over the years were much worse than I had expected.

I was listening to an interview with Coleman. That one was the Knuckleheads Podcast. He mentioned that he was never the high scorer in Syracuse. In college. I was shocked by that. Especially a #1 overall pick. And he wasn't. I looked it up. Some years he was 2nd, some years 3rd. Maybe even 4th as a freshman. He was saying he didn't care about shot attempts. Only winning.

I was trying to talk myself into that. That he won't shoot too much! It'll be okay! But I didn't buy it. He still took too many jump-shots at various stops along the NBA. Even in a lesser role, still too much.


I was watching a game where Chuck Daly was asked was D Coleman the most difficult player he has ever coached. Daly said yes he was. Said he was moody more than anything. That he could be furious with you at mid-day and be your best friend at dinner time. He was so moody, so all over the place, all the time. That it was draining.


Alternate history time.

1996 Chicago Bulls are looking to add a PF to replace Horace Grant. They have 3 candidates. Dennis Rodman, Derrick Coleman and [name - I don't think he'll get drafted but just in case]. Coleman could've been the 3rd wheel on that Bulls dynasty and won a bunch of rings. Been remembered as a great winner.

Imagine the difference in his legacy.

[smokeablount]

The LA Clippers select one of the guys that made the Suns relevant before Barkley...

Tom Chambers!!!

That is the guy who was rated as a starter on my board. I loved him a stretch four next to some of these big bodied centers like Yao or Artis or paint dwellers like Dwight or Mutombo.

I thought either Chambers or Amare would be the best scoring PF in the league and I was leaning towards Chambers given his proficiency at scoring from the perimeter. More of an asset in today's league.

How come you didn't draft him when your PF spot was open? Just didn't like the fit with your main guys?

[gouki88]

I would really strongly think about starting Millsap -- great pick at this point!

Chambers slipped under my radar, cool pick.

I love Millsap, but unsure I'd start him. What might be the case is that I start Webber and Cummings, and have Sampson and Millsap as my bench bigs with Bogut as 3rd string / situational for the big burly 5s.

Ah I'm sorry my bad. I mixed you and RPG up. I thought if he had drafted Millsap that might be worth starting over Detlef. RPG should start Chambers 

Ooh, that is a nice 5 man big man rotation.

- One big beefy defensive center in Bogut.
- One finesse skilled quick five in R Sampson.
- A pair of 6-9 multi-skilled 260lbs PFs in Cummings and C-Webb. Webber can slide over to the five as well. Positional versatility.
- Then a smaller PF with speed and shooting to backup T Cummings.

Beautiful balance of skill-sets and ability to play alongside one another in all different types of combinations. To play any style of basketball. To matchup against anyone. Or create matchup problems for anyone.

This was essentially the way I wanted to build my team up. Have a really balanced and skilful big man rotation, and surround them with smooth perimeter play like Roy, Dumars, Davis, Porter & Hornacek

[Celtic Fan Forever]

Thunder select Allan Houston

[smokeablount]

I would really strongly think about starting Millsap -- great pick at this point!

Chambers slipped under my radar, cool pick.

I love Millsap, but unsure I'd start him. What might be the case is that I start Webber and Cummings, and have Sampson and Millsap as my bench bigs with Bogut as 3rd string / situational for the big burly 5s.

Ah I'm sorry my bad. I mixed you and RPG up. I thought if he had drafted Millsap that might be worth starting over Detlef. RPG should start Chambers 

Ooh, that is a nice 5 man big man rotation.

- One big beefy defensive center in Bogut.
- One finesse skilled quick five in R Sampson.
- A pair of 6-9 multi-skilled 260lbs PFs in Cummings and C-Webb. Webber can slide over to the five as well. Positional versatility.
- Then a smaller PF with speed and shooting to backup T Cummings.

Beautiful balance of skill-sets and ability to play alongside one another in all different types of combinations. To play any style of basketball. To matchup against anyone. Or create matchup problems for anyone.

This was essentially the way I wanted to build my team up. Have a really balanced and skilful big man rotation, and surround them with smooth perimeter play like Roy, Dumars, Davis, Porter & Hornacek

Looks like you already won in '19 and '21. Adding '23 would spell D-Y-N-A-S-T-Y, emphasis on the 'nasty.'

[Who]

Sorry about that everyone - had something come up unexpectedly.

The Washington Generals select the nearly-forgotten Derrick Coleman!

The talent was certainly there.  His attitude on the other hand....

I always think attitude is a tricky thing, mostly because so much of it - in that era, especially - is filtered through sportswriters, who are hardly reliable narrators. I find with a lot of the guys who played before the players really had the platform they do today that some guys who got an undeservedly bad rap (i.e. the entire Jailblazers squad never really did anything of substance to earn the moniker) and some really deserved the reputation they got.

The attitude thing with Coleman was interesting. I mentioned the Chuck Daly part in the post above.

In the Knuckleheads interview, he came across as extremely charismatic and fun loving. One of the best interviews I've seen them do. He is also doing a huge amount of charity work and is trying to use his wealth to help people. A genuinely good person. One of the better human beings in the NBA I would think.

But ...

I always remember Magic Johnson saying there is two guys - Ervin & Magic. (1) Ervin is a laid back happy to know you guy who wants to have a good time (2) Then there is Magic. Magic an arrogant egotistical winner who'll say or do whatever it takes to win. He is relentless and not a nice guy to be around.

Magic Johnson almost had to have two different personalities to be guy he was off the court while being the winner he wanted to be on the court.

Derrick Coleman strikes me as a guy who is great off the court but more difficult on the court. When that competitiveness kicks in. He wants to win so bad that it can come out the wrong way.

He was very unhappy with New Jersey and rightly so. That team was a mess. But he had problems in Philly too. Their GM or team president Pat Croce said he would never let Coleman anywhere near the team ever again. That is how bad the experience was. Then Larry Brown talked Croce into it and Coleman returned a couple years later.

I don't think he had any problems in Charlotte.

[smokeablount]

With their final pick, the ChiBulls select...

4x all star
2x all defensive 1st team
3x league leader in steals
1x league leader in assists (same year leading steals)
The only player to average 15-6.5-10-3 for a full year...

Magic Johnson and Isaiah Thomas feared him....
Rookie Bird said he was the best player he'd ever seen...

PG/SG (and occasional SF) Michael Ray Richardson!