Shams: Porzingis to Boston?

[celticinorlando]

Still need a legit wing off the bench

Free agency hasn't even started yet.

Correct. Needs to be the top priority

[gouki88]

Get grant to Dallas for the 10 pick and a player

Hilariously lopsided offer. Why don't we trade Horford for Jokic too?

[celticinorlando]

Get grant to Dallas for the 10 pick and a player

Hilariously lopsided offer. Why don't we trade Horford for Jokic too?

That’s been the scuttle…

[Who]

I like Kristaps  but I am worried we are getting Dallas Kristaps as Maz will not create a system where the Jay's and Marcus share the ball with him. That is why I am favouring a CP3 trade.

Why wouldn't the Jays/Marcus give him shots? Al gets shots. Brogdon got shots. White gets shots.

Dallas Porzingis might have been a Luka issue since he seems to struggle alongside other high usage players (the minutes he played with Kyrie reinforced that to me), but that's a conversation for another thread.

Porzingis needs a lot of shots. A lot more shots than Horford, Smart or Brogdon took. Porzingis will need 15-20 shots (FGs, FTs, TOs) per game and they will need to be the right shots. He will need post ups and midrange shots. Not just floor spacer team offense shots. He needs to be focal point a good portion of the time. Not all the time but a good portion of it.

Porzingis is another iso type player. Like Jaylen. Not as much so because Porzingis is a big but a lot of iso. He has the potential for a great team offense player but it is always something he has struggled with due to low BBIQ and low passing ability. He does well when the offense works around him because he knows where his touches are coming from and where his shots are but he struggles more when he has to play off of others. He is not adaptable.

[tonydelk]

Crazy part is Porzingis Doesn't turn 28 until August.  He's like 14 months older then Jaylen.

[Roy H.]

Okay, so money wise I think a Brogdon+Gallo package would work money wise. Lets assume those two are shipped to a third team for assets that are flipped for KP.

At that price the deal makes SOME sense. KP opts in for next year at 36 million and becomes an expiring. Celtics get more expensive for NEXT year but get off the 22 million for Brogdon in 24-25, when Jaylen's extension kicks in and they become FAR more expensive. Its sort of a 1 year gamble on a guy who will still be only 28 next year. Unlike a guy like Ayton, KP is a good enough shooter that you can probably play any two of Horford/Rob/KP at a given time so having too many center isn't AS big a deal.

If all you give up is Brogdon+ other small asset or equivalent I'd like it. It simplifies the Celtics contract situation going forward and really beefs up the center position.

Remember, most of the reason the C's want to trade Brogdon is they don't want the extra year of his deal on the books when Jaylens contract kicks in. Shifting that to a guy essentially on an expiring makes sense.

That is shocking to me that this is why they want to trade Brogdon. I worry they are too worried about the financial situation if this is accurate.

I don't know that there is any proof of this being the case.

Look, it may or may not be. But trading a guy with 2 years left on his deal for a guy with 1 year left would seem to support the idea that they want to drop guaranteed salary in 24-25 when Jaylen's extension kicks in.

Of course maybe KP comes with an extension and blows that idea up. Its possible the C's just think he's so good they decide to blow right through the 2nd apron.

By some advanced metrics he was like the 20th-25th bets player in the NBA last year.

The rumors are that we're extending KP.  That makes sense; why else would he opt in?

[jay]

No way Grant brings back a lottery pick

[gouki88]

Get grant to Dallas for the 10 pick and a player

Hilariously lopsided offer. Why don't we trade Horford for Jokic too?

That’s been the scuttle…

If Dallas are dumb enough, then we are obliged to commit that obscene robbery. I just don't think they are

[Roy H.]

The Boston Celtics will be $8M below the second tax apron with 12 players after acquiring Kristaps Porzingis. If Grant Williams doesn’t return, they still have enough flexibility to use the $5M tax MLE. Re-signing him would take them over the second apron, eliminating the MLE.

I can't imagine we match any offer for Grant. 

[jambr380]

For those wondering about a possible extension. Reportedly, it is something that could be in the works.

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The three-team deal to send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston is likewise expected to lead to a July contract extension for Porzingis beyond next season's $36 million player option, league sources say.

[Neurotic Guy]

Wow - this thread grew fast, seems like this might mean something real is happening.  I apologize for not reading through all 12 pages...   

I thought KP was a force at first with the Knicks.  Subsequently it seems like his impact hasn't been as great as it should be. IDK if this is the right way to put it -- his impact is less than the sum of his parts.  I don't know why his presence didn't translate to more wins in NY, Dallas, or Washington.   Not just injuries, though that's definitely a factor.   

Maybe someone who's seen more of him than I have can explain why he hasn't impacted wins more, and why at 27 and with his size and offensive skill he is now likely looking at his 4th NBA team.

[tonydelk]

I like Kristaps  but I am worried we are getting Dallas Kristaps as Maz will not create a system where the Jay's and Marcus share the ball with him. That is why I am favouring a CP3 trade.

Why wouldn't the Jays/Marcus give him shots? Al gets shots. Brogdon got shots. White gets shots.

Dallas Porzingis might have been a Luka issue since he seems to struggle alongside other high usage players (the minutes he played with Kyrie reinforced that to me), but that's a conversation for another thread.

Porzingis needs a lot of shots. A lot more shots than Horford, Smart or Brogdon took. Porzingis will need 15-20 shots (FGs, FTs, TOs) per game and they will need to be the right shots. He will need post ups and midrange shots. Not just floor spacer team offense shots. He needs to be focal point a good portion of the time. Not all the time but a good portion of it.

Porzingis is another iso type player. Like Jaylen. Not as much so because Porzingis is a big but a lot of iso. He has the potential for a great team offense player but it is always something he has struggled with due to low BBIQ and low passing ability. He does well when the offense works around him because he knows where his touches are coming from and where his shots are but he struggles more when he has to play off of others. He is not adaptable.

Not sure this is quite accurate.  I've seen him play a lot.  Any player that works in the post is an ISO situation.  Porzingas will not ISO someone off the dribble as much as Tatum and Brown.  Porzingas will also score a lot off of Offensive rebounds and PNR rolling to the rim and lobs.  He shoots over 6 FT's a game and makes over 2 x 3pts per game.

[gouki88]

For those wondering about a possible extension. Reportedly, it is something that could be in the works.

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The three-team deal to send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston is likewise expected to lead to a July contract extension for Porzingis beyond next season's $36 million player option, league sources say.

Hmm. Not sure how I feel about that part. I would have liked to retain the flexibility of shipping him as an expiring if it doesn't pan out

[Who]

I think Grant is staying now too. That was mentioned in an article last week. Celtics likely would bring him back.

Smart/brown/Tatum/porzingas/rob

PP/white/Hauser/grant/Horford

How we feeling? Are there any moves we can make in FA too?

Not really wanting Hauser to be the back up wing. He’s just not reliable and not trusted. Still think that bench needs a little more scoring.

I would explore a sign and trade for a wing for Grant

How much scoring does the bench need?

Tatum and Jaylen both score 25-30ppg. Porzingis 20-25ppg. That is 70-85ppg from those three alone.

Then we have Smart, D White and Horford who are double digit scorers. Another 30-35ppg. And Timelord who will chip in with 5-10ppg. A backup wing (whether Hauser or G Will or someone else) with another 5-10ppg. That is 40-55ppg in the supporting cast.

So that is 70-85ppg from the three scorers and 40-55ppg from the supporting cast. So 110-140ppg.

Why do we need more scoring?

I don't see the need.

We will have 3 hugely prolific scorers in Tatum, Jaylen and Porzingis. There isn't much need for a lot of scoring from the supporting cast when you have 3 high scoring stars. But even so we still have multiple double digit scoring role players in Smart, D White and Horford. Plus more minutes from Timelord and a backup wing. That is a lot of scoring.

[Who]

It would not surprise me if they try and ship muscala to the wiz also, just lessens c's tax bill this year and is not guaranteed next year.

Although they could just trade him to another team with room or an exception

Muscala is a nice 4th big and good injury insurance for Porzingis. I hope we keep him.