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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #255 on: June 21, 2023, 06:47:09 PM »

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The Three Porzingis'

(1) The Porzingis who shows you all his size, skill and versatility. A guy who looks like a possible top 10 player in the league. A nightmare to matchup to an offense and a disruptive defensive presence giving him a strong two-way impact.

(2) The Porzingis who is inconsistent and plays more like a borderline All-Star. So a top 25 maybe top 30 player in the league. A guy who has a good impact but not a huge impact. A lot of variability in performance. We see this Porzingis a lot when he is struggling with injuries / knocks and/or is recovering from injuries / knocks.

(3) The Porzingis who struggles to find his role on offense and starts to give minimum acceptable effort on defense. A guy who lets his offensive troubles effect his defensive effort in a big way. This guy plays more like the 75th best player in the league. An average starter. So in that 60-90 range. This is the Porzingis we see when he becomes peripheral on offense and does not understand where his touches and shots are coming from. We saw this one a lot in Dallas but also at times in NY.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #256 on: June 21, 2023, 06:56:30 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #257 on: June 21, 2023, 06:59:21 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but my personal opinion is that Pritchard is not good. I think he is awful. I would rather give up him and also like Champagne or some low salaried nobody to match. Pritchard is just not a good player. He bricks a lot. He brings nothing other than the 3 and he isn't even good at 3s.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #258 on: June 21, 2023, 07:07:16 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but my personal opinion is that Pritchard is not good. I think he is awful. I would rather give up him and also like Champagne or some low salaried nobody to match. Pritchard is just not a good player. He bricks a lot. He brings nothing other than the 3 and he isn't even good at 3s.
i dont disgree. but you asked and i answered.  ;D
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #259 on: June 21, 2023, 07:09:04 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but my personal opinion is that Pritchard is not good. I think he is awful. I would rather give up him and also like Champagne or some low salaried nobody to match. Pritchard is just not a good player. He bricks a lot. He brings nothing other than the 3 and he isn't even good at 3s.

He's a 40% career 3 point shooter.  He's averaged less than a turnover per game for his career. 89% career FTs.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #260 on: June 21, 2023, 07:12:43 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but my personal opinion is that Pritchard is not good. I think he is awful. I would rather give up him and also like Champagne or some low salaried nobody to match. Pritchard is just not a good player. He bricks a lot. He brings nothing other than the 3 and he isn't even good at 3s.

He's a 40% career 3 point shooter.  He's averaged less than a turnover per game for his career. 89% career FTs.

He was only 36% last year. Saying 40% career is cute but when your career is only 3 years AND the most recent year you played less, shot less 3s, and your percentage went down... that is just misleading. He also doesn't shoot that many 3s for that to matter even if he did play more, AND most of those are in garbage time against 3rd or 4th stringers. And high FT% on less than 1 attempt per game...

It's a no from me on Pritchard, dawg.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #261 on: June 21, 2023, 07:15:14 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but my personal opinion is that Pritchard is not good. I think he is awful. I would rather give up him and also like Champagne or some low salaried nobody to match. Pritchard is just not a good player. He bricks a lot. He brings nothing other than the 3 and he isn't even good at 3s.

He's a 40% career 3 point shooter.  He's averaged less than a turnover per game for his career. 89% career FTs.

He was only 36% last year. Saying 40% career is cute but when your career is only 3 years AND the most recent year you played less, shot less 3s, and your percentage went down... that is just misleading. He also doesn't shoot that many 3s for that to matter even if he did play more, AND most of those are in garbage time against 3rd or 4th stringers. It's a no from me on Pritchard, dawg.

Ok, He shot 36% from 3 this year. You pick and choose I'm going by career averages. You're going by what exactly? Is he shooting Freethrows against lesser players? When he shoots 40% for his career in 6 years can we count that?

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #262 on: June 21, 2023, 07:16:49 PM »

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Gallinari gone too? Didn’t get to see him play in green & white
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #263 on: June 21, 2023, 07:17:49 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but my personal opinion is that Pritchard is not good. I think he is awful. I would rather give up him and also like Champagne or some low salaried nobody to match. Pritchard is just not a good player. He bricks a lot. He brings nothing other than the 3 and he isn't even good at 3s.

He's a 40% career 3 point shooter.  He's averaged less than a turnover per game for his career. 89% career FTs.

He was only 36% last year. Saying 40% career is cute but when your career is only 3 years AND the most recent year you played less, shot less 3s, and your percentage went down... that is just misleading. He also doesn't shoot that many 3s for that to matter even if he did play more, AND most of those are in garbage time against 3rd or 4th stringers. It's a no from me on Pritchard, dawg.

Ok, He shot 36% from 3 this year. You pick and choose I'm going by career averages. You're going by what exactly? Is he shooting Freethrows against lesser players? When he shoots 40% for his career in 6 years can we count that?

0.4 FTA per game. Literally cherry-picking a stat. I get it, he is a white guy so you probably pull for him. But he is not good. But, yes, we may win banner 18 with our 12th man lighting the world on fire with his 0.4 FTA per game.
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #264 on: June 21, 2023, 07:18:01 PM »

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Gallinari gone too? Didn’t get to see him play in green & white

He might not really be heathy enough to give much this year.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #265 on: June 21, 2023, 07:19:09 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but my personal opinion is that Pritchard is not good. I think he is awful. I would rather give up him and also like Champagne or some low salaried nobody to match. Pritchard is just not a good player. He bricks a lot. He brings nothing other than the 3 and he isn't even good at 3s.

He's a 40% career 3 point shooter.  He's averaged less than a turnover per game for his career. 89% career FTs.

He was only 36% last year. Saying 40% career is cute but when your career is only 3 years AND the most recent year you played less, shot less 3s, and your percentage went down... that is just misleading. He also doesn't shoot that many 3s for that to matter even if he did play more, AND most of those are in garbage time against 3rd or 4th stringers. It's a no from me on Pritchard, dawg.

Ok, He shot 36% from 3 this year. You pick and choose I'm going by career averages. You're going by what exactly? Is he shooting Freethrows against lesser players? When he shoots 40% for his career in 6 years can we count that?

0.4 FTA per game. Literally cherry-picking a state. I get it, he is a white guy so you probably pull for him. But he is not good. But, yes, we may win banner 18 with our 12th man lighting the world on fire with his 0.4 FTA per game.

Wow, you're calling me a racist! That's so uncool. Hey mods!!!!

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #266 on: June 21, 2023, 07:21:25 PM »

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Why can't we give up Pritchard instead of Gallo? Our bench has no depth or pop now. If it were Pritchard instead of Gallo I would love the deal, but now I don't. KP is intriguing for sure but he is hurt a lot and on top of it we have no depth for when/if he gets hurt. Do not like this unless there is another domino to fall.

I like the fit of KP a lot more but based on us giving up hot garbage for Brogdon and LAC doing the same, but us now giving him up plus Gallo, don't like the value. Great value for us last year and for LAC this year, though.
i suppose one possible reason might be matching salaries for the trade. pritchard will make just over $4 million next season  while gallinari will make $6.8 million.

another reason might be that pritchard has more value to the celtics since brogdon would be gone.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but my personal opinion is that Pritchard is not good. I think he is awful. I would rather give up him and also like Champagne or some low salaried nobody to match. Pritchard is just not a good player. He bricks a lot. He brings nothing other than the 3 and he isn't even good at 3s.

He's a 40% career 3 point shooter.  He's averaged less than a turnover per game for his career. 89% career FTs.

He was only 36% last year. Saying 40% career is cute but when your career is only 3 years AND the most recent year you played less, shot less 3s, and your percentage went down... that is just misleading. He also doesn't shoot that many 3s for that to matter even if he did play more, AND most of those are in garbage time against 3rd or 4th stringers. It's a no from me on Pritchard, dawg.

Ok, He shot 36% from 3 this year. You pick and choose I'm going by career averages. You're going by what exactly? Is he shooting Freethrows against lesser players? When he shoots 40% for his career in 6 years can we count that?

0.4 FTA per game. Literally cherry-picking a state. I get it, he is a white guy so you probably pull for him. But he is not good. But, yes, we may win banner 18 with our 12th man lighting the world on fire with his 0.4 FTA per game.

Oh, just a troll! Got it!

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #267 on: June 21, 2023, 07:22:00 PM »

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Also if this deal goes through KP would be the highest paid Celtics next year. 36 million PO for KP, Tatum gets 32.6, Brown would be at about 30.7.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #268 on: June 21, 2023, 07:28:13 PM »

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Doesn't this trade have to be completed tonight?

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #269 on: June 21, 2023, 07:28:56 PM »

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Also if this deal goes through KP would be the highest paid Celtics next year. 36 million PO for KP, Tatum gets 32.6, Brown would be at about 30.7.

Is he replacing Horford as the highest paid?