Shams: Porzingis to Boston?

[gouki88]

I think Grant is staying now too. That was mentioned in an article last week. Celtics likely would bring him back.

Smart/brown/Tatum/porzingas/rob

PP/white/Hauser/grant/Horford

How we feeling? Are there any moves we can make in FA too?

Not really wanting Hauser to be the back up wing. He’s just not reliable and not trusted. Still think that bench needs a little more scoring.

I would explore a sign and trade for a wing for Grant

How much scoring does the bench need?

Tatum and Jaylen both score 25-30ppg. Porzingis 20-25ppg. That is 70-85ppg from those three alone.

Then we have Smart, D White and Horford who are double digit scorers. Another 30-35ppg. And Timelord who will chip in with 5-10ppg. A backup wing (whether Hauser or G Will or someone else) with another 5-10ppg. That is 40-55ppg in the supporting cast.

So that is 70-85ppg from the three scorers and 40-55ppg from the supporting cast. So 110-140ppg.

Why do we need more scoring?

I don't see the need.

We will have 3 hugely prolific scorers in Tatum, Jaylen and Porzingis. There isn't much need for a lot of scoring from the supporting cast when you have 3 high scoring stars. But even so we still have multiple double digit scoring role players in Smart, D White and Horford. Plus more minutes from Timelord and a backup wing. That is a lot of scoring.

Yeah, scoring is not what I think we should be looking at. Insurance in the case of a seemingly inevitable injury would be more helpful for my mind

[RJ87]

I like Kristaps  but I am worried we are getting Dallas Kristaps as Maz will not create a system where the Jay's and Marcus share the ball with him. That is why I am favouring a CP3 trade.

Why wouldn't the Jays/Marcus give him shots? Al gets shots. Brogdon got shots. White gets shots.

Dallas Porzingis might have been a Luka issue since he seems to struggle alongside other high usage players (the minutes he played with Kyrie reinforced that to me), but that's a conversation for another thread.

Porzingis needs a lot of shots. A lot more shots than Horford, Smart or Brogdon took. Porzingis will need 15-20 shots (FGs, FTs, TOs) per game and they will need to be the right shots. He will need post ups and midrange shots. Not just floor spacer team offense shots. He needs to be focal point a good portion of the time. Not all the time but a good portion of it.

KP has never averaged 20 shots in his career. The most he has in a season was in 17/18 where he averaged 18 shots. Over the past 3 years, he's been right around 15 which I don't realistically see why he couldn't get that here. Brogdon got 11 shots a game last season and we'll probably be resting Al a lot more. He'll be able to find his spots.

I'm really not worried about him not getting shots.

[Who]

According to multiple league sources, the completion of the Porzingis deal would likely mean that Grant Williams's time in Boston has come to an end.

Oh, that would be a bummer.

[RJ87]

For those wondering about a possible extension. Reportedly, it is something that could be in the works.

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The three-team deal to send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston is likewise expected to lead to a July contract extension for Porzingis beyond next season's $36 million player option, league sources say.

Hmm. Not sure how I feel about that part. I would have liked to retain the flexibility of shipping him as an expiring if it doesn't pan out

Depends on how much the extension is for. A cost controlled contract could be useful with the new CBA.

[Who]

So we'll have one big who's 37 and 2 more who can't stay healthy.  If Grant goes (which apparently is likely) this is far from ideal. Plus we have a coach who doesn't know how to manage minutes.

Also if Brogdon and Gallo are gone, not to mention Grant, there will be a need for more reliable 3 pt shooting again.

I don't quite see this as a 'steal' - more like a roll of the dice.

I have a similar feeling.

[gouki88]

I like Kristaps  but I am worried we are getting Dallas Kristaps as Maz will not create a system where the Jay's and Marcus share the ball with him. That is why I am favouring a CP3 trade.

Why wouldn't the Jays/Marcus give him shots? Al gets shots. Brogdon got shots. White gets shots.

Dallas Porzingis might have been a Luka issue since he seems to struggle alongside other high usage players (the minutes he played with Kyrie reinforced that to me), but that's a conversation for another thread.

Porzingis needs a lot of shots. A lot more shots than Horford, Smart or Brogdon took. Porzingis will need 15-20 shots (FGs, FTs, TOs) per game and they will need to be the right shots. He will need post ups and midrange shots. Not just floor spacer team offense shots. He needs to be focal point a good portion of the time. Not all the time but a good portion of it.

KP has never averaged 20 shots in his career. The most he has in a season was in 17/18 where he averaged 18 shots. Over the past 3 years, he's been right around 15 which I don't realistically see why he couldn't get that here. Brogdon got 11 shots a game last season and we'll probably be resting Al a lot more. He'll be able to find his spots.

I'm really not worried about him not getting shots.

I think we'll also see Brown's share drop 1-2 FGAs, Grant walk, and Horford diminish in MPG and FGAs. That is immediately around 20 FGAs to spread between KP and Gallo

[gouki88]

For those wondering about a possible extension. Reportedly, it is something that could be in the works.

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The three-team deal to send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston is likewise expected to lead to a July contract extension for Porzingis beyond next season's $36 million player option, league sources say.

Hmm. Not sure how I feel about that part. I would have liked to retain the flexibility of shipping him as an expiring if it doesn't pan out

Depends on how much the extension is for. A cost controlled contract could be useful with the new CBA.

Could be, and I guess if this all works out and he can stay healthy it would be great. I'm just wary

[libermaniac]

For those wondering about a possible extension. Reportedly, it is something that could be in the works.

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The three-team deal to send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston is likewise expected to lead to a July contract extension for Porzingis beyond next season's $36 million player option, league sources say.

Interesting. No way they could keep JB, JT, Porzingis. Perhaps they just trade whoever they decide next off-season.

[RPGenerate]

If the rumors are true about us extending him right away, that's a big risk. Very high risk, high reward type scenario.

[Kuberski33]

According to multiple league sources, the completion of the Porzingis deal would likely mean that Grant Williams's time in Boston has come to an end.

Oh, that would be a bummer.

Hypothetically, can a Muscala/Blake Griffin platoon give you say 80% of Grant's contribution last season - keeping in mind that he didn't have nearly as good a season as he did in 21-22? 

[cman88]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1671625313862778888?t=UF5l7f8p_dmjFZ6Dp98RLA&s=19

Hmm looking to extend porzingas in July too per mark stein

[keevsnick]

Okay, so money wise I think a Brogdon+Gallo package would work money wise. Lets assume those two are shipped to a third team for assets that are flipped for KP.

At that price the deal makes SOME sense. KP opts in for next year at 36 million and becomes an expiring. Celtics get more expensive for NEXT year but get off the 22 million for Brogdon in 24-25, when Jaylen's extension kicks in and they become FAR more expensive. Its sort of a 1 year gamble on a guy who will still be only 28 next year. Unlike a guy like Ayton, KP is a good enough shooter that you can probably play any two of Horford/Rob/KP at a given time so having too many center isn't AS big a deal.

If all you give up is Brogdon+ other small asset or equivalent I'd like it. It simplifies the Celtics contract situation going forward and really beefs up the center position.

Remember, most of the reason the C's want to trade Brogdon is they don't want the extra year of his deal on the books when Jaylens contract kicks in. Shifting that to a guy essentially on an expiring makes sense.

That is shocking to me that this is why they want to trade Brogdon. I worry they are too worried about the financial situation if this is accurate.

I don't know that there is any proof of this being the case.

Look, it may or may not be. But trading a guy with 2 years left on his deal for a guy with 1 year left would seem to support the idea that they want to drop guaranteed salary in 24-25 when Jaylen's extension kicks in.

Of course maybe KP comes with an extension and blows that idea up. Its possible the C's just think he's so good they decide to blow right through the 2nd apron.

By some advanced metrics he was like the 20th-25th bets player in the NBA last year.

The rumors are that we're extending KP.  That makes sense; why else would he opt in?

well if he wasn't going to make more than 36 million a year on the open market he may have decided he's rather opt in, go somewhere for a year to win, and get back out there next year.

But it does appear he's going to get extended. So the question now is this: Will JB and KP both be on the c's after next year and the c's are just going to blow past the 2nd apron? Or is one of those guys going to get traded to avoid the 2nd apron and Boston is just signing them to extensions this summer as an asset play?

[Who]

For those wondering about a possible extension. Reportedly, it is something that could be in the works.

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The three-team deal to send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston is likewise expected to lead to a July contract extension for Porzingis beyond next season's $36 million player option, league sources say.

That is scary. I wonder what that number will be.

[cman88]

Well I'll hand it to Brad. Thought we were going to just run it back. But he's making big changes to the roster

[Who]

According to multiple league sources, the completion of the Porzingis deal would likely mean that Grant Williams's time in Boston has come to an end.

Oh, that would be a bummer.

Hypothetically, can a Muscala/Blake Griffin platoon give you say 80% of Grant's contribution last season - keeping in mind that he didn't have nearly as good a season as he did in 21-22?

Yeah, it's not the end of the world. Especially now with 3 bigs in Porzingis, Horford, Timelord. So there is less of a clear role for G Will here. Fewer PF minutes. More SF minutes where he is less effective. Not a good situation for him individually. Probably another drop-off in minutes and on-court value to the C's. 

A bit sad to see him leave is all. I liked his defensive versatility as a man defender and spot up shooting. Good combination of skills.