Celtics Off-Season News

[radiohead]

3 spots left not counting nonguaranteed contracts

My Selections
Derrick Jones Jr
Javonte Greene
Blake Griffin

Those would be nice vets to round up the bench.

[Surferdad]

3 spots left not counting nonguaranteed contracts

My Selections
Derrick Jones Jr
Javonte Greene
Blake Griffin

Those would be nice vets to round up the bench.

My bet is just Blake. In a money-saving year, Brad may not use all the roster spots.

[celticinorlando]

3 spots left not counting nonguaranteed contracts

My Selections
Derrick Jones Jr
Javonte Greene
Blake Griffin

Those would be nice vets to round up the bench.

My bet is just Blake. In a money-saving year, Brad may not use all the roster spots.

Agree...Brad is going to leave a spot or two open for a trade deadline deal he never makes.

[KeepBigAl]

Last season, this team lacked scoring punch off the bench.  This year, it is looking rough and potentially disastrous if Brogdon starts.  PP and Hauser will help on some nights, but we need shot creators.  I wish we had Gallo on one leg at this point.

[cman88]

Last season, this team lacked scoring punch off the bench.  This year, it is looking rough and potentially disastrous if Brogdon starts.  PP and Hauser will help on some nights, but we need shot creators.  I wish we had Gallo on one leg at this point.

Brogdon will be off the bench. White will start IMO. But you are right sadly he is the only shot creator.

My guess is the team will always want to have 2 of Brogdon/brown/Tatum/KP on the floor with the bench at all times.

[Vermont Green]

With Walsh signing a regular contract, here is where we stand:

White           Pritchard           Banton
Brown          Brogdon            Champagnie (NG)
Tatum          Hauser              Brissett
Porzingis      OPEN                Walsh
Horford        RWilliams          Kornet (NG)

2-way   Davison   OPEN    OPEN

I am listing Davison as a 2-way, but I am not 100% clear on his status.  He has a QO which I was advised by one of the wiser posters that this is likely for a 2-way.  He could get offered a full roster spot by another team and we could match that based on the QO.  My understanding is that Brissett, Banton, and now Walsh have all signed "real" contracts so they are formally on the roster.  Spotrac lists Brissett and Banton as fully guaranteed, I am not sure about Walsh.  They can play in Maine but they are roster players, not 2-way.

If I have this all correct, we have one open roster spot and also 2 non-guaranteed contracts that can easily be waived.  I would like to see the Celtics make a trade with the Grant TPE ($6.3M) and some of the 2nd round picks to get a reliable bench PF.  For now, I guess the bench PF could be Brissett but I don't know his game well enough to know if he is a PF or SF or what.  It would be nice to have a natural PF on the bench to replace Grant in any case.  We could also pick up a bench C, start RWill, and Horford could be the bench PF.  We have some flexibility there thanks to Horford's versatility.

I am surprised that we gave Walsh a regular contract.  I was expecting him to be a 2-way this season (he could always be converted), like Davison was last season.  I have no idea what to expect from him.  I know money is a factor in this but can he be expected to contribute more than a vet min player?  I will assume that this is what the Celtics believe and be optimistic that he will be the next Draymond Green but without the drama.

Assuming we do a trade for a bench PF, we would then have only the two NG contracts to potentially waive and fill with a FA.  I would think that for sure we can upgrade on Champagnie.  Even if we do a trade with the TPE, he could be waived to save some money and keep the roster at 14.  Kornet is actually useful, in my mind, so I see him being on the team to start the season.

[Celtics2021]

3 spots left not counting nonguaranteed contracts

My Selections
Derrick Jones Jr
Javonte Greene
Blake Griffin

Those would be nice vets to round up the bench.

My bet is just Blake. In a money-saving year, Brad may not use all the roster spots.

With a third two-way contract available this year, I think most every tax team will leave open a roster spot until after the deadline.  I don't think our last player will be Blake (well, not if we keep Kornet), but it would be very surprising if we went with 15.  Probably even sub-optimal, because we can spend more of our TPE on a single-player if we stick with 14 due to the cap at the second apron.

[celticinorlando]

With Walsh signing a regular contract, here is where we stand:

White           Pritchard           Banton
Brown          Brogdon            Champagnie (NG)
Tatum          Hauser              Brissett
Porzingis      OPEN                Walsh
Horford        RWilliams          Kornet (NG)

2-way   Davison   OPEN    OPEN

I am listing Davison as a 2-way, but I am not 100% clear on his status.  He has a QO which I was advised by one of the wiser posters that this is likely for a 2-way.  He could get offered a full roster spot by another team and we could match that based on the QO.  My understanding is that Brissett, Banton, and now Walsh have all signed "real" contracts so they are formally on the roster.  Spotrac lists Brissett and Banton as fully guaranteed, I am not sure about Walsh.  They can play in Maine but they are roster players, not 2-way.

If I have this all correct, we have one open roster spot and also 2 non-guaranteed contracts that can easily be waived.  I would like to see the Celtics make a trade with the Grant TPE ($6.3M) and some of the 2nd round picks to get a reliable bench PF.  For now, I guess the bench PF could be Brissett but I don't know his game well enough to know if he is a PF or SF or what.  It would be nice to have a natural PF on the bench to replace Grant in any case.  We could also pick up a bench C, start RWill, and Horford could be the bench PF.  We have some flexibility there thanks to Horford's versatility.

I am surprised that we gave Walsh a regular contract.  I was expecting him to be a 2-way this season (he could always be converted), like Davison was last season.  I have no idea what to expect from him.  I know money is a factor in this but can he be expected to contribute more than a vet min player?  I will assume that this is what the Celtics believe and be optimistic that he will be the next Draymond Green but without the drama.

Assuming we do a trade for a bench PF, we would then have only the two NG contracts to potentially waive and fill with a FA.  I would think that for sure we can upgrade on Champagnie.  Even if we do a trade with the TPE, he could be waived to save some money and keep the roster at 14.  Kornet is actually useful, in my mind, so I see him being on the team to start the season.

Good write up. I think Kornet makes the team also but he is pretty useless. I see Walsh as a high energy guy that can defend and can rebound. I hope he gets some sort of chance to play. I think Brissett will come off the bench to spell Tatum. He seems to have more game than Hauser does. He is more athletic, defends, can get his own shot and will go inside. Hauser is just a spot up shooter that is easily defended.

You are right about the bench PF being a major hole on this team. Brissett and walsh to me are wings but they need a legit PF off the bench.

[footey]

With Walsh signing a regular contract, here is where we stand:

White           Pritchard           Banton
Brown          Brogdon            Champagnie (NG)
Tatum          Hauser              Brissett
Porzingis      OPEN                Walsh
Horford        RWilliams          Kornet (NG)

2-way   Davison   OPEN    OPEN

I am listing Davison as a 2-way, but I am not 100% clear on his status.  He has a QO which I was advised by one of the wiser posters that this is likely for a 2-way.  He could get offered a full roster spot by another team and we could match that based on the QO.  My understanding is that Brissett, Banton, and now Walsh have all signed "real" contracts so they are formally on the roster.  Spotrac lists Brissett and Banton as fully guaranteed, I am not sure about Walsh.  They can play in Maine but they are roster players, not 2-way.

If I have this all correct, we have one open roster spot and also 2 non-guaranteed contracts that can easily be waived.  I would like to see the Celtics make a trade with the Grant TPE ($6.3M) and some of the 2nd round picks to get a reliable bench PF.  For now, I guess the bench PF could be Brissett but I don't know his game well enough to know if he is a PF or SF or what.  It would be nice to have a natural PF on the bench to replace Grant in any case.  We could also pick up a bench C, start RWill, and Horford could be the bench PF.  We have some flexibility there thanks to Horford's versatility.

I am surprised that we gave Walsh a regular contract.  I was expecting him to be a 2-way this season (he could always be converted), like Davison was last season.  I have no idea what to expect from him.  I know money is a factor in this but can he be expected to contribute more than a vet min player?  I will assume that this is what the Celtics believe and be optimistic that he will be the next Draymond Green but without the drama.

Assuming we do a trade for a bench PF, we would then have only the two NG contracts to potentially waive and fill with a FA.  I would think that for sure we can upgrade on Champagnie.  Even if we do a trade with the TPE, he could be waived to save some money and keep the roster at 14.  Kornet is actually useful, in my mind, so I see him being on the team to start the season.

Good write up. I think Kornet makes the team also but he is pretty useless. I see Walsh as a high energy guy that can defend and can rebound. I hope he gets some sort of chance to play. I think Brissett will come off the bench to spell Tatum. He seems to have more game than Hauser does. He is more athletic, defends, can get his own shot and will go inside. Hauser is just a spot up shooter that is easily defended.

You are right about the bench PF being a major hole on this team. Brissett and walsh to me are wings but they need a legit PF off the bench.

Hauser v Brissett for minutes will be interesting. I predict Hauser will win, especially given Joe's propensity for spacing and 3 point shooting. I also think Hauser defense is deceptively solid. 

[celticinorlando]

With Walsh signing a regular contract, here is where we stand:

White           Pritchard           Banton
Brown          Brogdon            Champagnie (NG)
Tatum          Hauser              Brissett
Porzingis      OPEN                Walsh
Horford        RWilliams          Kornet (NG)

2-way   Davison   OPEN    OPEN

I am listing Davison as a 2-way, but I am not 100% clear on his status.  He has a QO which I was advised by one of the wiser posters that this is likely for a 2-way.  He could get offered a full roster spot by another team and we could match that based on the QO.  My understanding is that Brissett, Banton, and now Walsh have all signed "real" contracts so they are formally on the roster.  Spotrac lists Brissett and Banton as fully guaranteed, I am not sure about Walsh.  They can play in Maine but they are roster players, not 2-way.

If I have this all correct, we have one open roster spot and also 2 non-guaranteed contracts that can easily be waived.  I would like to see the Celtics make a trade with the Grant TPE ($6.3M) and some of the 2nd round picks to get a reliable bench PF.  For now, I guess the bench PF could be Brissett but I don't know his game well enough to know if he is a PF or SF or what.  It would be nice to have a natural PF on the bench to replace Grant in any case.  We could also pick up a bench C, start RWill, and Horford could be the bench PF.  We have some flexibility there thanks to Horford's versatility.

I am surprised that we gave Walsh a regular contract.  I was expecting him to be a 2-way this season (he could always be converted), like Davison was last season.  I have no idea what to expect from him.  I know money is a factor in this but can he be expected to contribute more than a vet min player?  I will assume that this is what the Celtics believe and be optimistic that he will be the next Draymond Green but without the drama.

Assuming we do a trade for a bench PF, we would then have only the two NG contracts to potentially waive and fill with a FA.  I would think that for sure we can upgrade on Champagnie.  Even if we do a trade with the TPE, he could be waived to save some money and keep the roster at 14.  Kornet is actually useful, in my mind, so I see him being on the team to start the season.

Good write up. I think Kornet makes the team also but he is pretty useless. I see Walsh as a high energy guy that can defend and can rebound. I hope he gets some sort of chance to play. I think Brissett will come off the bench to spell Tatum. He seems to have more game than Hauser does. He is more athletic, defends, can get his own shot and will go inside. Hauser is just a spot up shooter that is easily defended.

You are right about the bench PF being a major hole on this team. Brissett and walsh to me are wings but they need a legit PF off the bench.

Hauser v Brissett for minutes will be interesting. I predict Hauser will win, especially given Joe's propensity for spacing and 3 point shooting. I also think Hauser defense is deceptively solid.

Brissett can make them from 3. He might not get as streaky as Hauser but he can make them. Also think Brissett has somewhat of a midrange game. Will go iniside. Will rebound. Hauser does not.

I think there is room for both of them. I think Brissett probably does more little things, works harder and and provides other ways he can contribute if the 3 point shot isn't dropping.

But competition is good for everyone.

[Vermont Green]

3 spots left not counting nonguaranteed contracts

My Selections
Derrick Jones Jr
Javonte Greene
Blake Griffin

Those would be nice vets to round up the bench.

My bet is just Blake. In a money-saving year, Brad may not use all the roster spots.

With a third two-way contract available this year, I think most every tax team will leave open a roster spot until after the deadline.  I don't think our last player will be Blake (well, not if we keep Kornet), but it would be very surprising if we went with 15.  Probably even sub-optimal, because we can spend more of our TPE on a single-player if we stick with 14 due to the cap at the second apron.

Yes, I think we could make a trade with the TPE and also waive Champagnie (saving $1.9M).  That would keep us at 14.  We could also potentially waive Kornet and sign Griffin to a vet min.  I am not sure exactly how the cap hit works with vet min contracts but wouldn't that end up reducing our cap some due to the "subsidy"? 

I know that by trading Grant, it appears the Celtics are now trying to stay under the apron, but that is not necessarily the case.  We are not hard capped so we could go over the apron if it became necessary, right?  I don't see us doing that, just confirming it is still an option.

As to potential bench PF, does anyone understand what is going on in IND?  They drafted a PF (Jarace Walker) and traded for a PF (Obi Toppin).  Is Jalen Smith potentially available in a trade?  His $5.0M salary would fit the TPE (not sure the impact on the apron).   [Actually just saw he has a 10% trade bonus, still fits though].  We have picks that could potentially make this worth it for IND.  He doesn't shoot the 3 (at least so far in his career) but it appears as though he could be a reliable 10/6 off the bench.  If we traded for him and waived Champagnie, it would add maybe $3M or so net.

[Surferdad]

With Walsh signing a regular contract, here is where we stand:

White           Pritchard           Banton
Brown          Brogdon            Champagnie (NG)
Tatum          Hauser              Brissett
Porzingis      OPEN                Walsh
Horford        RWilliams          Kornet (NG)

2-way   Davison   OPEN    OPEN

I am listing Davison as a 2-way, but I am not 100% clear on his status.  He has a QO which I was advised by one of the wiser posters that this is likely for a 2-way.  He could get offered a full roster spot by another team and we could match that based on the QO.  My understanding is that Brissett, Banton, and now Walsh have all signed "real" contracts so they are formally on the roster.  Spotrac lists Brissett and Banton as fully guaranteed, I am not sure about Walsh.  They can play in Maine but they are roster players, not 2-way.

If I have this all correct, we have one open roster spot and also 2 non-guaranteed contracts that can easily be waived.  I would like to see the Celtics make a trade with the Grant TPE ($6.3M) and some of the 2nd round picks to get a reliable bench PF.  For now, I guess the bench PF could be Brissett but I don't know his game well enough to know if he is a PF or SF or what.  It would be nice to have a natural PF on the bench to replace Grant in any case.  We could also pick up a bench C, start RWill, and Horford could be the bench PF.  We have some flexibility there thanks to Horford's versatility.

I am surprised that we gave Walsh a regular contract.  I was expecting him to be a 2-way this season (he could always be converted), like Davison was last season.  I have no idea what to expect from him.  I know money is a factor in this but can he be expected to contribute more than a vet min player?  I will assume that this is what the Celtics believe and be optimistic that he will be the next Draymond Green but without the drama.

Assuming we do a trade for a bench PF, we would then have only the two NG contracts to potentially waive and fill with a FA.  I would think that for sure we can upgrade on Champagnie.  Even if we do a trade with the TPE, he could be waived to save some money and keep the roster at 14.  Kornet is actually useful, in my mind, so I see him being on the team to start the season.

Good write up. I think Kornet makes the team also but he is pretty useless. I see Walsh as a high energy guy that can defend and can rebound. I hope he gets some sort of chance to play. I think Brissett will come off the bench to spell Tatum. He seems to have more game than Hauser does. He is more athletic, defends, can get his own shot and will go inside. Hauser is just a spot up shooter that is easily defended.

You are right about the bench PF being a major hole on this team. Brissett and walsh to me are wings but they need a legit PF off the bench.

Hauser v Brissett for minutes will be interesting. I predict Hauser will win, especially given Joe's propensity for spacing and 3 point shooting. I also think Hauser defense is deceptively solid.

Brissett can make them from 3. He might not get as streaky as Hauser but he can make them. Also think Brissett has somewhat of a midrange game. Will go iniside. Will rebound. Hauser does not.

I think there is room for both of them. I think Brissett probably does more little things, works harder and and provides other ways he can contribute if the 3 point shot isn't dropping.

But competition is good for everyone.

Good post. I'm trying to convince myself that Brissett can play the PF and replace much of what Grant did (of course he's not as good a 3-pt shooter and he can't body-up Embiid/Giannis) at a fraction of the cost. On the other hand, he is taller and more athletic than Grant.  If he can just push his 3-pt% up a little, he will beat out Hauser for minutes.

[Vermont Green]

As I have said above, I don't know Brissett's game well enough to know if he is more PF or more SF.  Between Brissett and Hauser, it seems to give us a lot of flexibility to provide back up forward minutes.  It appears that Brissett should be at least as good as Hauser, probably a little better.

We might be able to "get by" with Brissett and Hauser backing up SF and PF but I would still like to see them bring in a solid bench PF or C (with Horford as the back up PF).  Not the end of the world if we don't, but that is what I see as the most pressing soft spot in the roster.  The PF vs. C distinction does not matter all that much with players like Horford and Porzingis, they are really either and both at the same time.

[radiohead]

I was watching highlights of Azubuike and he seems to be strong and athletic. He’s another guy to watch on the C’s summer league team. He may be more ready to contribute than Kabengele.

[No Nickname]

As I have said above, I don't know Brissett's game well enough to know if he is more PF or more SF.  Between Brissett and Hauser, it seems to give us a lot of flexibility to provide back up forward minutes.  It appears that Brissett should be at least as good as Hauser, probably a little better.

We might be able to "get by" with Brissett and Hauser backing up SF and PF but I would still like to see them bring in a solid bench PF or C (with Horford as the back up PF).  Not the end of the world if we don't, but that is what I see as the most pressing soft spot in the roster.  The PF vs. C distinction does not matter all that much with players like Horford and Porzingis, they are really either and both at the same time.

I've been watching some video on Brissett.  Going solely by my untrained eye he appears to be too small to play PF for more than just a few spot minutes.  He's not that big at 6'7" (210lbs).  Hauser is actually bigger than him (217lbs).

These highlights are filled with some little flip layups by Brissett, but boy they all just look like lucky flicks of the wrist that happened to go in while he was fouled.  Not like he absorbs contact and still has amazing body control to deftly lay it up.  Hope I'm wrong, but these highlights don't look like he's really creating any offense off the dribble that we could count on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljekZ0V8Fps

Brissett has more dog in him than Hauser.  But Sam plays a smarter game.  He's always looking for that sliver of daylight to be ready to receive a pass and shoot.  And he ALWAYS looks to find his man and box him out (even around the perimeter) to prevent any offensive boards. 

Hauser is a heady defender too, he just gets focused on by opposing offenses in iso ball because they believe he's a poor defender.  Just because of the odds he's gonna get scored on occasionally.  But so would everyone if they got into an iso situation like that, even someone like Jaylen Brown.