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[GreenlyGreeny]

 Cancel culture is communism.  I don't care how ridiculous anyone's stance is. I support anyone's ability to say whatever they wish.

To say whatever they wish without consequence?

That's what they call a democracy. Freedom of speech as a foundation.
Without absolute freedom of speech a democracy will fail.
Like it's falling everywhere in North-America and Europe.

Cancel culture is communism (excellent remark bij KG LL).
It's in fact cultural marxism.

 TP Rody for seeing the big picture.

The entire argument is nonsensical.

Free speech means that you can say what you want without the government punishing you.  It doesn’t mean that private citizens will give bigots a free pass.

If we’re making economic analogies, let the free market decide.  Here, the market has determined that antisemitism isn’t desirable.

I hate talking politics on a sports forum, but the notion that ’cancel culture’ has killed free speech…is rubbish.

From a historical perspective, American’s have never had it so good in regards to freedom of speech.

During WWII, American citizens were locked up in interment camps simply for having Japanese heritage. During the Cold War, just being suspected of having socialist ideologies, would have you blacklisted for life.

  Narcissists,  Machvelions,  and psychopaths want cancel culture. They call it the dark triad.

 Nothing is more important than your reputation.  People try to game the reputation system.

While many agree that cancel culture is very dangerous and must stop, the same is true of antisemitism. Frankly, cancel culture has been so out of control, people jumping on people for RELATIVELY minor transgressions (like telling a joke about females), that we now see literally one of the biggest musicians on the planet espousing antisemitism…Definitely not what was intended by this cancel culture environment, or presumably that is the case, but here we stand, with truly disgusting behavior/comments from Kanye and people defending him. Cancel culture has been so out of control that it is creating an environment of increasingly disturbing behavior/theories becoming more common and defended. If so much seems so wrong, and one mistake is treated the same as literally espousing Nazi-esque ideas, then should we be surprised when the real monsters and monstrous ideas come out and become more prevalent/defended until they literally wipe out everything we all hold dear?

We need to return to common sense sanity. Obviously it’s absurd to treat someone saying what Kanye said the same as someone who simply shared a joke about women, for example. Stop cancelling people for the latter and the like, so everyone can unite to stop the former—so most everyone can unite to stop the truly dangerous ideas that threaten everything.

Bill Maher is making the case far more eloquently: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8t86Fi2JQ

This may be one of the least thoughtful comments that I’ve read on here in a long time (which says something).

Cancel culture doesn’t create hate.

Oh really? Because it’s clearly led to this, one of the biggest musicians on the planet going from controversially stating “white lives matter” to now espousing antisemitism in an effort to normalize it. It’s all a byproduct of this rigid cancel culture.

Think about it this way: If the law states the punishment for robbing a bank is life in prison, and that is the same as the punishment for murder, what do you think is far more likely to happen in that universe during bank robberies? Murder, of course, as some robbers will do whatever it takes now to escape capture since the consequences of killing people is no different than the consequences of robbing a bank. This is also why environments with harsh punishments sometimes have worse levels of violent crimes than more forgiving environments (or at least places that do not treat robbery with violence the same as robbery without violence).


When a society punishes minor transgressions the same as the worst of the worst, which is basically what this cancel culture environment is starting to resemble, we will inevitably get massive backlash at the same time as the rise of the worst of the worst, including an expansion of really dangerous ideas such as antisemitism. This is happening right now and would not be happening if not for cancel culture/extreme-holier-than-thou-wokeness.

In contrast, a more forgiving environment for minor transgressions such as sharing an off-color joke about women, is an environment where we can really ostracize the monsters/monstrous ideas like antisemitism. Let’s return to such common sense sanity please. Less judgment and more forgiveness will bring back common sense sanity, a place where we still ostracize the worst of the worst instead of treating people who commit minor transgressions the same as the worst and the worst (because we are seeing what happens when we foolishly do not delineated between levels of bad behavior/ideas). That’s how we can progress incrementally and eventually have love, peace and understanding throughout society (as older, more biased generations/ideas die off over time), instead of a backlash like we are seeing right now that has the potential to cause fascism to make a massive comeback (and yes, they will eventually come for a group you belong to, too, regardless of who you may be - the fascists won’t stop with illegal immigrants, they won’t stop with socialists, they won’t stop with Jewish people, etc.).

This is some of the most clownish stuff you've ever come up with. "It's cancel culture that made Kanye an antisemite, not Kanye"

You are truly delusional, as well as grossly offensive, for trying to equate cancel culture with fascism. It is hard to comprehend that people who think like you actually exist.

Cancel culture is clearly not stopping fascism, and may be indirectly causing fascism to grow and expand. Look at the facts. These monstrous ideas like antisemitism are becoming increasingly prevalent and accepted because of backlash to cancel culture where minor transgressions like telling a joke are ruining careers. Cancel culture is basically like communism in the Soviet Union and it’s creating a backlash in the form of fascism in some corners that used to not harbor such evil ideas. It’s beyond obvious. It’s also beyond obvious that most Americans are sick of most extremists on both sides and simply wish to return to the middle as a society where common sense sanity is the rule once again. It’s time to cancel cancel culture and stop the spread of fascism at the same time by being a more forgiving, more tolerant society once more.

[GreenlyGreeny]

You are truly delusional, as well as grossly offensive, for trying to equate cancel culture with fascism. It is hard to comprehend that people who think like you actually exist.

It is hard to comprehend the failure many have to comprehend there are free-thinkers who disagree with both extreme left and extreme right views, and recognize that the problem in society is extremism from both sides, including this incessant insistence on groupthink where the extreme left displays smug arrogance akin to the Vatican in the 16th century (in the name of their new gods, “social justice” and “equity”), and the extreme right simply being ugly/rude/increasingly evil in response to this holier-than-thou group of extremists of left. Both groups just constantly poke each other back and forth like we’re stuck in 1920s Germany or something. We all know what happened after the extreme left and extreme right started dominating 1920s Germany. That’s my only concern and why I’m warning about the dangerous unintended consequences of cancel culture/extreme wokeness.

We’ve heard of woke, of course, but here is being truly awake: America is about individualism—not cancel culture, not socialism, not fascism, not groups. America is about individuals being free to pursue their own self-interest without extremist politics getting in the way. And until the 2010s, we were on a really great road towards greater levels of respect and dignity for all regardless of race, sex, gender, religion, national origin, etc. Let us reject extremism and return to being a more decent, more tolerant, more forgiving society that values the individual/free-thinking above all else.

[nickagneta]

 Cancel culture is communism.  I don't care how ridiculous anyone's stance is. I support anyone's ability to say whatever they wish.

To say whatever they wish without consequence?

That's what they call a democracy. Freedom of speech as a foundation.
Without absolute freedom of speech a democracy will fail.
Like it's falling everywhere in North-America and Europe.

Cancel culture is communism (excellent remark bij KG LL).
It's in fact cultural marxism.

 TP Rody for seeing the big picture.

The entire argument is nonsensical.

Free speech means that you can say what you want without the government punishing you.  It doesn’t mean that private citizens will give bigots a free pass.

If we’re making economic analogies, let the free market decide.  Here, the market has determined that antisemitism isn’t desirable.

I hate talking politics on a sports forum, but the notion that ’cancel culture’ has killed free speech…is rubbish.

From a historical perspective, American’s have never had it so good in regards to freedom of speech.

During WWII, American citizens were locked up in interment camps simply for having Japanese heritage. During the Cold War, just being suspected of having socialist ideologies, would have you blacklisted for life.

  Narcissists,  Machvelions,  and psychopaths want cancel culture. They call it the dark triad.

 Nothing is more important than your reputation.  People try to game the reputation system.

While many agree that cancel culture is very dangerous and must stop, the same is true of antisemitism. Frankly, cancel culture has been so out of control, people jumping on people for RELATIVELY minor transgressions (like telling a joke about females), that we now see literally one of the biggest musicians on the planet espousing antisemitism…Definitely not what was intended by this cancel culture environment, or presumably that is the case, but here we stand, with truly disgusting behavior/comments from Kanye and people defending him. Cancel culture has been so out of control that it is creating an environment of increasingly disturbing behavior/theories becoming more common and defended. If so much seems so wrong, and one mistake is treated the same as literally espousing Nazi-esque ideas, then should we be surprised when the real monsters and monstrous ideas come out and become more prevalent/defended until they literally wipe out everything we all hold dear?

We need to return to common sense sanity. Obviously it’s absurd to treat someone saying what Kanye said the same as someone who simply shared a joke about women, for example. Stop cancelling people for the latter and the like, so everyone can unite to stop the former—so most everyone can unite to stop the truly dangerous ideas that threaten everything.

Bill Maher is making the case far more eloquently: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8t86Fi2JQ

This may be one of the least thoughtful comments that I’ve read on here in a long time (which says something).

Cancel culture doesn’t create hate.

Oh really? Because it’s clearly led to this, one of the biggest musicians on the planet going from controversially stating “white lives matter” to now espousing antisemitism in an effort to normalize it. It’s all a byproduct of this rigid cancel culture.

Think about it this way: If the law states the punishment for robbing a bank is life in prison, and that is the same as the punishment for murder, what do you think is far more likely to happen in that universe during bank robberies? Murder, of course, as some robbers will do whatever it takes now to escape capture since the consequences of killing people is no different than the consequences of robbing a bank. This is also why environments with harsh punishments sometimes have worse levels of violent crimes than more forgiving environments (or at least places that do not treat robbery with violence the same as robbery without violence).


When a society punishes minor transgressions the same as the worst of the worst, which is basically what this cancel culture environment is starting to resemble, we will inevitably get massive backlash at the same time as the rise of the worst of the worst, including an expansion of really dangerous ideas such as antisemitism. This is happening right now and would not be happening if not for cancel culture/extreme-holier-than-thou-wokeness.

In contrast, a more forgiving environment for minor transgressions such as sharing an off-color joke about women, is an environment where we can really ostracize the monsters/monstrous ideas like antisemitism. Let’s return to such common sense sanity please. Less judgment and more forgiveness will bring back common sense sanity, a place where we still ostracize the worst of the worst instead of treating people who commit minor transgressions the same as the worst and the worst (because we are seeing what happens when we foolishly do not delineated between levels of bad behavior/ideas). That’s how we can progress incrementally and eventually have love, peace and understanding throughout society (as older, more biased generations/ideas die off over time), instead of a backlash like we are seeing right now that has the potential to cause fascism to make a massive comeback (and yes, they will eventually come for a group you belong to, too, regardless of who you may be - the fascists won’t stop with illegal immigrants, they won’t stop with socialists, they won’t stop with Jewish people, etc.).

This is some of the most clownish stuff you've ever come up with. "It's cancel culture that made Kanye an antisemite, not Kanye"

You are truly delusional, as well as grossly offensive, for trying to equate cancel culture with fascism. It is hard to comprehend that people who think like you actually exist.

Cancel culture is clearly not stopping fascism, and may be indirectly causing fascism to grow and expand. Look at the facts. These monstrous ideas like antisemitism are becoming increasingly prevalent and accepted because of backlash to cancel culture where minor transgressions like telling a joke are ruining careers. Cancel culture is basically like communism in the Soviet Union and it’s creating a backlash in the form of fascism in some corners that used to not harbor such evil ideas. It’s beyond obvious. It’s also beyond obvious that most Americans are sick of most extremists on both sides and simply wish to return to the middle as a society where common sense sanity is the rule once again. It’s time to cancel cancel culture and stop the spread of fascism at the same time by being a more forgiving, more tolerant society once more.

Let me finish the bolded for you to give you the real reason.

These monstrous ideas like antisemitism are becoming increasingly prevalent and accepted because:

A politician saw that empowering people who are racists, misogynists, anti-semites, homophobes, xenophobes and sexists by tacitly approving of their behavior would garner him more votes and power. Seeing that someone in power was acceptable and implicitly approved of their warped world views, those people stopped hiding their disgusting thoughts, stepped out of the shadows they were being forced into because society was unaccepting of them and went mainstream.

That's why you see more of this garbage. It has naught to do with cancel culture.

[LilRip]

 Cancel culture is communism.  I don't care how ridiculous anyone's stance is. I support anyone's ability to say whatever they wish.

To say whatever they wish without consequence?

That's what they call a democracy. Freedom of speech as a foundation.
Without absolute freedom of speech a democracy will fail.
Like it's falling everywhere in North-America and Europe.

Cancel culture is communism (excellent remark bij KG LL).
It's in fact cultural marxism.

 TP Rody for seeing the big picture.

The entire argument is nonsensical.

Free speech means that you can say what you want without the government punishing you.  It doesn’t mean that private citizens will give bigots a free pass.

If we’re making economic analogies, let the free market decide.  Here, the market has determined that antisemitism isn’t desirable.

I hate talking politics on a sports forum, but the notion that ’cancel culture’ has killed free speech…is rubbish.

From a historical perspective, American’s have never had it so good in regards to freedom of speech.

During WWII, American citizens were locked up in interment camps simply for having Japanese heritage. During the Cold War, just being suspected of having socialist ideologies, would have you blacklisted for life.

  Narcissists,  Machvelions,  and psychopaths want cancel culture. They call it the dark triad.

 Nothing is more important than your reputation.  People try to game the reputation system.

While many agree that cancel culture is very dangerous and must stop, the same is true of antisemitism. Frankly, cancel culture has been so out of control, people jumping on people for RELATIVELY minor transgressions (like telling a joke about females), that we now see literally one of the biggest musicians on the planet espousing antisemitism…Definitely not what was intended by this cancel culture environment, or presumably that is the case, but here we stand, with truly disgusting behavior/comments from Kanye and people defending him. Cancel culture has been so out of control that it is creating an environment of increasingly disturbing behavior/theories becoming more common and defended. If so much seems so wrong, and one mistake is treated the same as literally espousing Nazi-esque ideas, then should we be surprised when the real monsters and monstrous ideas come out and become more prevalent/defended until they literally wipe out everything we all hold dear?

We need to return to common sense sanity. Obviously it’s absurd to treat someone saying what Kanye said the same as someone who simply shared a joke about women, for example. Stop cancelling people for the latter and the like, so everyone can unite to stop the former—so most everyone can unite to stop the truly dangerous ideas that threaten everything.

Bill Maher is making the case far more eloquently: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8t86Fi2JQ

This may be one of the least thoughtful comments that I’ve read on here in a long time (which says something).

Cancel culture doesn’t create hate.

Also Bill Maher is a dolt.

Taking this line as it is, I gotta disagree with this take. Cancel culture breeds hate. It fights hate with hate. So I mean, what outcome do you expect?

I’m not saying this to excuse Ye’s comments, JB’s stance (which he has now reversed) or any specific incident. I’m talking about the specific bolded statement.

[gouki88]

 Cancel culture is communism.  I don't care how ridiculous anyone's stance is. I support anyone's ability to say whatever they wish.

To say whatever they wish without consequence?

That's what they call a democracy. Freedom of speech as a foundation.
Without absolute freedom of speech a democracy will fail.
Like it's falling everywhere in North-America and Europe.

Cancel culture is communism (excellent remark bij KG LL).
It's in fact cultural marxism.

 TP Rody for seeing the big picture.

The entire argument is nonsensical.

Free speech means that you can say what you want without the government punishing you.  It doesn’t mean that private citizens will give bigots a free pass.

If we’re making economic analogies, let the free market decide.  Here, the market has determined that antisemitism isn’t desirable.

I hate talking politics on a sports forum, but the notion that ’cancel culture’ has killed free speech…is rubbish.

From a historical perspective, American’s have never had it so good in regards to freedom of speech.

During WWII, American citizens were locked up in interment camps simply for having Japanese heritage. During the Cold War, just being suspected of having socialist ideologies, would have you blacklisted for life.

  Narcissists,  Machvelions,  and psychopaths want cancel culture. They call it the dark triad.

 Nothing is more important than your reputation.  People try to game the reputation system.

While many agree that cancel culture is very dangerous and must stop, the same is true of antisemitism. Frankly, cancel culture has been so out of control, people jumping on people for RELATIVELY minor transgressions (like telling a joke about females), that we now see literally one of the biggest musicians on the planet espousing antisemitism…Definitely not what was intended by this cancel culture environment, or presumably that is the case, but here we stand, with truly disgusting behavior/comments from Kanye and people defending him. Cancel culture has been so out of control that it is creating an environment of increasingly disturbing behavior/theories becoming more common and defended. If so much seems so wrong, and one mistake is treated the same as literally espousing Nazi-esque ideas, then should we be surprised when the real monsters and monstrous ideas come out and become more prevalent/defended until they literally wipe out everything we all hold dear?

We need to return to common sense sanity. Obviously it’s absurd to treat someone saying what Kanye said the same as someone who simply shared a joke about women, for example. Stop cancelling people for the latter and the like, so everyone can unite to stop the former—so most everyone can unite to stop the truly dangerous ideas that threaten everything.

Bill Maher is making the case far more eloquently: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8t86Fi2JQ

This may be one of the least thoughtful comments that I’ve read on here in a long time (which says something).

Cancel culture doesn’t create hate.

Also Bill Maher is a dolt.

Taking this line as it is, I gotta disagree with this take. Cancel culture breeds hate. It fights hate with hate. So I mean, what outcome do you expect?

I’m not saying this to excuse Ye’s comments, JB’s stance (which he has now reversed) or any specific incident. I’m talking about the specific bolded statement.

Newsflash: the way to topple hateful ideas has always been to fight them.

[gouki88]

You are truly delusional, as well as grossly offensive, for trying to equate cancel culture with fascism. It is hard to comprehend that people who think like you actually exist.

It is hard to comprehend the failure many have to not comprehend there are free-thinkers who disagree with both extreme left and extreme right views, and recognize that the problem in society is extremism from both sides, including this incessant insistence on groupthink where the extreme left displays smug arrogance akin to the Vatican in the 16th century (in the name of their new god, “social justice” and “equity”), and the extreme right simply being ugly/rude/increasingly evil in response to this holier-than-thou group of extremists of left. Both groups just constantly poke each other back and forth like we’re stuck in 1920s Germany or something. We all know what happened after the extreme left and extreme right started dominating 1920s Germany. That’s my only concern and why I’m warning about the dangerous unintended consequences of cancel culture/extreme wokeness.

We’ve heard of woke, of course, but here is being truly awake: America is about individualism—not cancel culture, not socialism, not fascism, not groups. America is about individuals being free to pursue their own self-interests without extremist politics getting in the way. And until the 2010s, we were on a really great road towards greater levels of respect and dignity for all regardless of race, sex, gender, religion, national origin, etc. Let us reject extremism and return to being a more decent, more tolerant, more forgiving society that values the individual/free-thinking above all else.

To be so devoid of critical thinking is frightening

[GreenlyGreeny]

You are truly delusional, as well as grossly offensive, for trying to equate cancel culture with fascism. It is hard to comprehend that people who think like you actually exist.

It is hard to comprehend the failure many have to not comprehend there are free-thinkers who disagree with both extreme left and extreme right views, and recognize that the problem in society is extremism from both sides, including this incessant insistence on groupthink where the extreme left displays smug arrogance akin to the Vatican in the 16th century (in the name of their new god, “social justice” and “equity”), and the extreme right simply being ugly/rude/increasingly evil in response to this holier-than-thou group of extremists of left. Both groups just constantly poke each other back and forth like we’re stuck in 1920s Germany or something. We all know what happened after the extreme left and extreme right started dominating 1920s Germany. That’s my only concern and why I’m warning about the dangerous unintended consequences of cancel culture/extreme wokeness.

We’ve heard of woke, of course, but here is being truly awake: America is about individualism—not cancel culture, not socialism, not fascism, not groups. America is about individuals being free to pursue their own self-interests without extremist politics getting in the way. And until the 2010s, we were on a really great road towards greater levels of respect and dignity for all regardless of race, sex, gender, religion, national origin, etc. Let us reject extremism and return to being a more decent, more tolerant, more forgiving society that values the individual/free-thinking above all else.

To be so devoid of critical thinking collectivism is frightening

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[GreenlyGreeny]

 Cancel culture is communism.  I don't care how ridiculous anyone's stance is. I support anyone's ability to say whatever they wish.

To say whatever they wish without consequence?

That's what they call a democracy. Freedom of speech as a foundation.
Without absolute freedom of speech a democracy will fail.
Like it's falling everywhere in North-America and Europe.

Cancel culture is communism (excellent remark bij KG LL).
It's in fact cultural marxism.

 TP Rody for seeing the big picture.

The entire argument is nonsensical.

Free speech means that you can say what you want without the government punishing you.  It doesn’t mean that private citizens will give bigots a free pass.

If we’re making economic analogies, let the free market decide.  Here, the market has determined that antisemitism isn’t desirable.

I hate talking politics on a sports forum, but the notion that ’cancel culture’ has killed free speech…is rubbish.

From a historical perspective, American’s have never had it so good in regards to freedom of speech.

During WWII, American citizens were locked up in interment camps simply for having Japanese heritage. During the Cold War, just being suspected of having socialist ideologies, would have you blacklisted for life.

  Narcissists,  Machvelions,  and psychopaths want cancel culture. They call it the dark triad.

 Nothing is more important than your reputation.  People try to game the reputation system.

While many agree that cancel culture is very dangerous and must stop, the same is true of antisemitism. Frankly, cancel culture has been so out of control, people jumping on people for RELATIVELY minor transgressions (like telling a joke about females), that we now see literally one of the biggest musicians on the planet espousing antisemitism…Definitely not what was intended by this cancel culture environment, or presumably that is the case, but here we stand, with truly disgusting behavior/comments from Kanye and people defending him. Cancel culture has been so out of control that it is creating an environment of increasingly disturbing behavior/theories becoming more common and defended. If so much seems so wrong, and one mistake is treated the same as literally espousing Nazi-esque ideas, then should we be surprised when the real monsters and monstrous ideas come out and become more prevalent/defended until they literally wipe out everything we all hold dear?

We need to return to common sense sanity. Obviously it’s absurd to treat someone saying what Kanye said the same as someone who simply shared a joke about women, for example. Stop cancelling people for the latter and the like, so everyone can unite to stop the former—so most everyone can unite to stop the truly dangerous ideas that threaten everything.

Bill Maher is making the case far more eloquently: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8t86Fi2JQ

This may be one of the least thoughtful comments that I’ve read on here in a long time (which says something).

Cancel culture doesn’t create hate.

Also Bill Maher is a dolt.

Taking this line as it is, I gotta disagree with this take. Cancel culture breeds hate. It fights hate with hate. So I mean, what outcome do you expect?

I’m not saying this to excuse Ye’s comments, JB’s stance (which he has now reversed) or any specific incident. I’m talking about the specific bolded statement.

Newsflash: the way to topple hateful ideas has always been to fight them.

And here I thought the antidote to hate has always been love, not fighting and escalating without even trying to understand different perspectives and backgrounds. The extreme left and extreme right are on a path towards either mutual destruction with the middle taking over again as it should, or the extreme right wiping out everybody who does not play along with their nonsense. For now I’m more willing to tolerate the extreme left, but they need to knock off the instigating and stop trying to change everything more quickly than most are able to adapt. After all, the extreme right is very scary, very loaded and very knowledgeable in real warfare, not keyboard warriorism. Let’s let cooler heads prevail.

[GreenlyGreeny]

 Cancel culture is communism.  I don't care how ridiculous anyone's stance is. I support anyone's ability to say whatever they wish.

To say whatever they wish without consequence?

That's what they call a democracy. Freedom of speech as a foundation.
Without absolute freedom of speech a democracy will fail.
Like it's falling everywhere in North-America and Europe.

Cancel culture is communism (excellent remark bij KG LL).
It's in fact cultural marxism.

 TP Rody for seeing the big picture.

The entire argument is nonsensical.

Free speech means that you can say what you want without the government punishing you.  It doesn’t mean that private citizens will give bigots a free pass.

If we’re making economic analogies, let the free market decide.  Here, the market has determined that antisemitism isn’t desirable.

I hate talking politics on a sports forum, but the notion that ’cancel culture’ has killed free speech…is rubbish.

From a historical perspective, American’s have never had it so good in regards to freedom of speech.

During WWII, American citizens were locked up in interment camps simply for having Japanese heritage. During the Cold War, just being suspected of having socialist ideologies, would have you blacklisted for life.

  Narcissists,  Machvelions,  and psychopaths want cancel culture. They call it the dark triad.

 Nothing is more important than your reputation.  People try to game the reputation system.

While many agree that cancel culture is very dangerous and must stop, the same is true of antisemitism. Frankly, cancel culture has been so out of control, people jumping on people for RELATIVELY minor transgressions (like telling a joke about females), that we now see literally one of the biggest musicians on the planet espousing antisemitism…Definitely not what was intended by this cancel culture environment, or presumably that is the case, but here we stand, with truly disgusting behavior/comments from Kanye and people defending him. Cancel culture has been so out of control that it is creating an environment of increasingly disturbing behavior/theories becoming more common and defended. If so much seems so wrong, and one mistake is treated the same as literally espousing Nazi-esque ideas, then should we be surprised when the real monsters and monstrous ideas come out and become more prevalent/defended until they literally wipe out everything we all hold dear?

We need to return to common sense sanity. Obviously it’s absurd to treat someone saying what Kanye said the same as someone who simply shared a joke about women, for example. Stop cancelling people for the latter and the like, so everyone can unite to stop the former—so most everyone can unite to stop the truly dangerous ideas that threaten everything.

Bill Maher is making the case far more eloquently: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8t86Fi2JQ

This may be one of the least thoughtful comments that I’ve read on here in a long time (which says something).

Cancel culture doesn’t create hate.

Oh really? Because it’s clearly led to this, one of the biggest musicians on the planet going from controversially stating “white lives matter” to now espousing antisemitism in an effort to normalize it. It’s all a byproduct of this rigid cancel culture.

Think about it this way: If the law states the punishment for robbing a bank is life in prison, and that is the same as the punishment for murder, what do you think is far more likely to happen in that universe during bank robberies? Murder, of course, as some robbers will do whatever it takes now to escape capture since the consequences of killing people is no different than the consequences of robbing a bank. This is also why environments with harsh punishments sometimes have worse levels of violent crimes than more forgiving environments (or at least places that do not treat robbery with violence the same as robbery without violence).


When a society punishes minor transgressions the same as the worst of the worst, which is basically what this cancel culture environment is starting to resemble, we will inevitably get massive backlash at the same time as the rise of the worst of the worst, including an expansion of really dangerous ideas such as antisemitism. This is happening right now and would not be happening if not for cancel culture/extreme-holier-than-thou-wokeness.

In contrast, a more forgiving environment for minor transgressions such as sharing an off-color joke about women, is an environment where we can really ostracize the monsters/monstrous ideas like antisemitism. Let’s return to such common sense sanity please. Less judgment and more forgiveness will bring back common sense sanity, a place where we still ostracize the worst of the worst instead of treating people who commit minor transgressions the same as the worst and the worst (because we are seeing what happens when we foolishly do not delineated between levels of bad behavior/ideas). That’s how we can progress incrementally and eventually have love, peace and understanding throughout society (as older, more biased generations/ideas die off over time), instead of a backlash like we are seeing right now that has the potential to cause fascism to make a massive comeback (and yes, they will eventually come for a group you belong to, too, regardless of who you may be - the fascists won’t stop with illegal immigrants, they won’t stop with socialists, they won’t stop with Jewish people, etc.).

This is some of the most clownish stuff you've ever come up with. "It's cancel culture that made Kanye an antisemite, not Kanye"

You are truly delusional, as well as grossly offensive, for trying to equate cancel culture with fascism. It is hard to comprehend that people who think like you actually exist.

Cancel culture is clearly not stopping fascism, and may be indirectly causing fascism to grow and expand. Look at the facts. These monstrous ideas like antisemitism are becoming increasingly prevalent and accepted because of backlash to cancel culture where minor transgressions like telling a joke are ruining careers. Cancel culture is basically like communism in the Soviet Union and it’s creating a backlash in the form of fascism in some corners that used to not harbor such evil ideas. It’s beyond obvious. It’s also beyond obvious that most Americans are sick of most extremists on both sides and simply wish to return to the middle as a society where common sense sanity is the rule once again. It’s time to cancel cancel culture and stop the spread of fascism at the same time by being a more forgiving, more tolerant society once more.

Let me finish the bolded for you to give you the real reason.

These monstrous ideas like antisemitism are becoming increasingly prevalent and accepted because:

A politician saw that empowering people who are racists, misogynists, anti-semites, homophobes, xenophobes and sexists by tacitly approving of their behavior would garner him more votes and power. Seeing that someone in power was acceptable and implicitly approved of their warped world views, those people stopped hiding their disgusting thoughts, stepped out of the shadows they were being forced into because society was unaccepting of them and went mainstream.

That's why you see more of this garbage. It has naught to do with cancel culture.

I agree, but I see the cancel culture post-2020 as being primarily instigating and the potential backlash is scary. Why the extreme left could not embrace incrementalism is why fascist rule is possibly around the corner. Then it’s like 2017 all over again except much, much worse given that these dangerous people will be out for revenge, as they see it in their twisted worldview. The escalation may just continue and spiral completely out of control until we’re basically 1930s Germany in 2030s America. Not good for us individuals who just want to see America be peaceful and prosperous with dignity and respect for all.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I’m not saying this to excuse Ye’s comments, JB’s stance (which he has now reversed) or any specific incident. I’m talking about the specific bolded statement.

The fact you have to put that disclaimer out there is a great example of how mad these times have become. I think it’s pretty obvious nobody who visits this forum excuses Ye’s rubbish, let alone agrees with Ye, yet this cancel culture mob mentality is always out to hang anybody for simply misspeaking, or trying to put words in people’s mouths so they have an excuse to do another lynching to make their sick selves feel better. So perfectly good, normal humans like you, LilRip, have to put out absurd disclaimers (absurd because certain things, like being opposed to antisemitism, used to go without saying). It’s exhausting. It’s very unhealthy for free-thinking and skepticism. Very unhealthy for all individuals who reject the very concept of political parties, let alone mindless groupthink with “us or them.” If something of everything anybody says can and will be used against them, guess what you end up with eventually: The sound of silence (followed by an explosive backlash surely).

[Roy H.]

I think these things should all be universally true:

1.  Freely flowing thoughts and ideas are a good thing.  Free speech should be embraced and promoted, not just from infringement by the government, but in all spheres.  However, it's not without limits.

2.  Hate speech and bigotry are a bad thing, that should be criticized and "cancelled".  However, we can have grace and forgiveness, as well, when appropriate. 

3.  Not all speech that somebody deems "offensive" should be shut down.  People need to weigh context, reasonability, and intent. 

I think if we started from those propositions, almost everybody would be fine.  The bigots wouldn't be happy, nor would those hyperfocused on perceived slights and microaggressions, but overall people would be content.

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Question:  do people think Kanye is being cancelled here because society has finally accepted that anti-semitism is a bad thing, or because he's aligned himself with MAGA-type politics? 

In the recent past, we've had anti-semitic language from a lot of celebrities.  DeSean Jackson, Stephen Jackson, Jesse Jackson (not recent, but I wanted to keep the "Jackson" bigotry train rolling), Nick Cannon, Ice Cube, Meyers Leonard.  Only Leonard was punished in a meaningful way.  Cannon, meanwhile, practically got a promotion according to wikipedia:

On July 14, 2020, Nick Cannon was fired by ViacomCBS after making racist and anti-Semitic remarks during an episode of his podcast Cannon's Class with Professor Griff. Cannon endorsed conspiracy theories about Jewish control of finance, claimed that Jews had stolen the identity of "black people as the 'true Hebrews'", and cited Louis Farrakhan, who is labeled as an anti-semite by the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League.  Cannon also made black supremacist statements, calling white people "savages" who were "closer to animals", claiming the "only way that they can act is evil", citing the pseudoscientific melanin theory. A statement from ViacomCBS noted that the company's relationship with Cannon was terminated due to his promotion of "hateful speech and ... anti-Semitic conspiracy theories".  Two days later, Cannon released an apology only for his remarks regarding anti-Semitism, saying, "I want to assure my Jewish friends, new and old, that this is only the beginning of my education." He also demanded for complete ownership for Wild 'n Out, and an apology from ViacomCBS for his termination.  When Fox became aware of his podcast, the network immediately consulted him and accepted his public apology, allowing him to remain host of The Masked Singer.  He donated his first paycheck to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, in light of the incident.  On February 5, 2021, ViacomCBS announced that Wild 'N Out would resume production with Cannon as host, saying that Cannon has "taken responsibility for his comments" and "worked to educate himself" through conversations with Jewish leaders.

Has the world just evolved in 17 months?

[mobilija]

Kanye has always been batty. He wasn't being canceled before his antisemitic comments but was MAGA before. Don't believe JB is MAGA but still chose to do business w him, ditto for Adidas. I'd argue the opposite is true, people are sticking up for his freedom of speech bc he is MAGA.

[Roy H.]

Kanye has always been batty. He wasn't being canceled before his antisemitic comments but was MAGA before. Don't believe JB is MAGA but still chose to do business w him, ditto for Adidas. I'd argue the opposite is true, people are sticking up for his freedom of speech bc he is MAGA.

So within the past year and a half America has finally turned the corner where anti-semitism is taken seriously?

Will Louis Farrakhan finally be banned from Twitter, I wonder?

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Re Roy’s question: I think Kanye went overboard. “Deathcon on Jews” is very aggressive and noteworthy. It’s not run of the mill racism. He is saying that he is intending to attack Jews. Not one Jewish person. Jews. Very disturbing stuff that should trigger some type of wellness check. Police should be monitoring his activities. Bigots might say he was just kidding or not serious. I disagree.

[mobilija]

Kanye has always been batty. He wasn't being canceled before his antisemitic comments but was MAGA before. Don't believe JB is MAGA but still chose to do business w him, ditto for Adidas. I'd argue the opposite is true, people are sticking up for his freedom of speech bc he is MAGA.

So within the past year and a half America has finally turned the corner where anti-semitism is taken seriously?

Will Louis Farrakhan finally be banned from Twitter, I wonder?

Doesn't seem preposterous to me. Wasnt there some local Californian politician or school board president that was just outed for antisemitic comemts? Hasn't hate speech and crimes against Asians been bigger focus lately? Why wouldn't antisemitic stuff follow suit? Seems pretty natural to me.


Twitter....idk...that its own entity that I don't pay much attention to. Farrakhan....idk...is he currently weighing in?

Anti Christian comments often don't create a cancel culture stir. Is that bc Christians are often right wing?