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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3630 on: April 19, 2023, 09:50:31 AM »

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It wasn’t the stomp that got me, it’s the way he stand on him with his force of his weight & both feet were up off the floor

Both were disgusting. Have to imagine that the Warriors are getting tired of his antics. Will be interesting to see if he’s back after this year.
well he has a player option, which I personally think he'd be dumb to turn down. 
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3631 on: April 19, 2023, 10:17:40 AM »

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So some big news, Green suspended and Giannis is doubtful.  Wow.

As to Green, the NBA statement said that the ban “was based in part on Green’s history of unsportsmanlike acts".  I think that is fair.  Had this been his first incident, had he not showboated around in front of the crowd, he probably doesn't get suspended.  Good for the NBA.

As to Giannis, I don't think the Heat and their fans should get too confident.  That team without Giannis could still beat them in one game in MIL.  And even if this does end up 2-0 MIA, MIL with a healthy Giannis could still come back.  MIA is a tough scrappy team, Butler is still a clutch star, but I just don't think they have enough raw talent.  If the Giannis injury lingers, then sure, MIA has a good shot to beat them.  We might end up playing MIA after all.

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« Reply #3632 on: April 19, 2023, 10:20:36 AM »

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It wasn’t the stomp that got me, it’s the way he stand on him with his force of his weight & both feet were up off the floor

Both were disgusting. Have to imagine that the Warriors are getting tired of his antics. Will be interesting to see if he’s back after this year.
well he has a player option, which I personally think he'd be dumb to turn down.

I agree, but there's always some dumb team looking for "leadership".  Detroit has been rumored, and Lebron loves him so LAL could be a possibility.


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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3633 on: April 19, 2023, 10:31:38 AM »

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So some big news, Green suspended and Giannis is doubtful.  Wow.

As to Green, the NBA statement said that the ban “was based in part on Green’s history of unsportsmanlike acts".  I think that is fair.  Had this been his first incident, had he not showboated around in front of the crowd, he probably doesn't get suspended.  Good for the NBA.

As to Giannis, I don't think the Heat and their fans should get too confident.  That team without Giannis could still beat them in one game in MIL.  And even if this does end up 2-0 MIA, MIL with a healthy Giannis could still come back.  MIA is a tough scrappy team, Butler is still a clutch star, but I just don't think they have enough raw talent.  If the Giannis injury lingers, then sure, MIA has a good shot to beat them.  We might end up playing MIA after all.

Agreed. Even down 0-2, I'd expect MIL to win that series. Maybe in 6. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them win 4 straight (with Giannis) and win in 6 after being down 0-2.

I do not see that in any way being a competitive series with Giannis on the court. MIA are vastly overmatched.

I do see it as a competitive series without Giannis. Meaning I see MIL without Giannis as being comparable to MIA. So MIL are not overmatched by MIA even without Giannis. They could beat MIA not just in Gm 2 but in a whole series without Giannis. Not that they are a sure thing just that it is more of a 50-50 series that could go either way rather than a sure-fire MIA victory if MIL were to lose Giannis for the whole series.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3634 on: April 19, 2023, 10:35:17 AM »

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So some big news, Green suspended and Giannis is doubtful.  Wow.

As to Green, the NBA statement said that the ban “was based in part on Green’s history of unsportsmanlike acts".  I think that is fair.  Had this been his first incident, had he not showboated around in front of the crowd, he probably doesn't get suspended.  Good for the NBA.

As to Giannis, I don't think the Heat and their fans should get too confident.  That team without Giannis could still beat them in one game in MIL.  And even if this does end up 2-0 MIA, MIL with a healthy Giannis could still come back.  MIA is a tough scrappy team, Butler is still a clutch star, but I just don't think they have enough raw talent.  If the Giannis injury lingers, then sure, MIA has a good shot to beat them.  We might end up playing MIA after all.

Agreed. Even down 0-2, I'd expect MIL to win that series. Maybe in 6. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them win 4 straight (with Giannis) and win in 6 after being down 0-2.

I do not see that in any way being a competitive series with Giannis on the court. MIA are vastly overmatched.

I do see it as a competitive series without Giannis. Meaning I see MIL without Giannis as being comparable to MIA. So MIL are not overmatched by MIA even without Giannis. They could beat MIA not just in Gm 2 but in a whole series without Giannis. Not that they are a sure thing just that it is more of a 50-50 series that could go either way rather than a sure-fire MIA victory if MIL were to lose Giannis for the whole series.

I agree, that is more or less how I see it.  MIA was 15-25 from 3 in game 1.  They won't keep that up.  But with a game 1 win in their back pocket, I would see MIA having an edge over MIL with no Giannis moving forward.  Not a big edge, but an edge based on having a head start.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3635 on: April 19, 2023, 10:36:09 AM »

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It wasn’t the stomp that got me, it’s the way he stand on him with his force of his weight & both feet were up off the floor

Both were disgusting. Have to imagine that the Warriors are getting tired of his antics. Will be interesting to see if he’s back after this year.
well he has a player option, which I personally think he'd be dumb to turn down.

I agree, but there's always some dumb team looking for "leadership".  Detroit has been rumored, and Lebron loves him so LAL could be a possibility.
I'm not saying he wouldn't have a market, heck I'd take him here, but I don't think he will have a market at more than the MLE.  He just doesn't move the needle as a core player any more.  He can still be an excellent role player though and even his antics can really get his team going. 
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3636 on: April 19, 2023, 11:09:36 AM »

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It wasn’t the stomp that got me, it’s the way he stand on him with his force of his weight & both feet were up off the floor

Both were disgusting. Have to imagine that the Warriors are getting tired of his antics. Will be interesting to see if he’s back after this year.
well he has a player option, which I personally think he'd be dumb to turn down.

I agree, but there's always some dumb team looking for "leadership".  Detroit has been rumored, and Lebron loves him so LAL could be a possibility.

Detroit will absolutely make a play for him if he's available.  He was/is a hero to that area, and it would increase the energy to a pretty lifeless fan base.  And honestly, I'm not sure the Pistons have anyone who cares on that team other than Isaiah Stewart, and Draymond's perverse leadership could work there, at least for a couple of seasons.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3637 on: April 19, 2023, 11:10:00 AM »

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It wasn’t the stomp that got me, it’s the way he stand on him with his force of his weight & both feet were up off the floor

Both were disgusting. Have to imagine that the Warriors are getting tired of his antics. Will be interesting to see if he’s back after this year.
well he has a player option, which I personally think he'd be dumb to turn down.

I agree, but there's always some dumb team looking for "leadership".  Detroit has been rumored, and Lebron loves him so LAL could be a possibility.
I'm not saying he wouldn't have a market, heck I'd take him here, but I don't think he will have a market at more than the MLE.  He just doesn't move the needle as a core player any more.  He can still be an excellent role player though and even his antics can really get his team going.

I had to look it up.  His player option for next season is $27.6M  I predict that there will be some off season theatrics, like with Kyrie last off season, but that in the end, he will find out that no one is interested in or able to (due to cap limits) pay him anything close to that value so he will pick it up and be in GSW for another season.

Spotrac says the deadline for the option is 29 Jun 2023.  That is coming up pretty soon.  Finals game 7 is scheduled for 18 Jun 2023.  The draft is 22 Jun 2023.  That does not leave a lot of time to find a new team.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3638 on: April 19, 2023, 12:02:05 PM »

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Heat may smell blood if G.A. Is out .

The pressure is totally on Bucks to win this game.

Predicting more injuries are likely , hard as these teams will beat up on each other to win.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3639 on: April 19, 2023, 12:03:48 PM »

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It wasn’t the stomp that got me, it’s the way he stand on him with his force of his weight & both feet were up off the floor

Both were disgusting. Have to imagine that the Warriors are getting tired of his antics. Will be interesting to see if he’s back after this year.
well he has a player option, which I personally think he'd be dumb to turn down.

I agree, but there's always some dumb team looking for "leadership".  Detroit has been rumored, and Lebron loves him so LAL could be a possibility.

I can’t stand him, but Draymond is a good player. I think several teams would be interested in Green.
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« Reply #3640 on: April 19, 2023, 12:13:49 PM »

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Green's history -- including 162 career technical fouls, 17 ejections and now four suspensions -- played a significant part in the decision.

Asked about the gravity of the circumstances surrounding the decision -- the Warriors trailing 2-0 in the best-of-seven series to the Kings -- Dumars told ESPN: "You know what the situation is, but you have to set that aside and look at the facts in front of you. ... Repeat offender weighs as heavy as anything."

When asked if the league would've administered punishment differently had it been a player without Green's history of on-court transgressions, Dumars told ESPN: "It may have been, but the act itself would have still look at in a serious way -- stomping on a guy's chest. On the back end of this act, you add repeat offender and that's how you end up getting to a suspension."

Dumars acknowledged that Green's behavior in the aftermath of his ejection -- including a short period of taunting and further riling up the Sacramento fans -- played a factor, but conceded those actions alone wouldn't have triggered a league office conversation on further punishment. NBA commissioner Adam Silver was courtside for the game and witnessed the entirety of the episode.

"That was some extra onto it that he didn't need to do," Dumars said. "Not helpful."

League investigators interviewed Green and Sabonis, among others, on Tuesday and shared a report with Dumars, who heads the league's disciplinary decision-making.

After Sabonis lost his footing and fell in the painted area, he grabbed Green's right leg. Green first shook free of Sabonis' grip before landing a hard step right on Sabonis' chest. Sabonis stayed down for a several minutes, and tests eventually revealed a bruised sternum.

Asked if Sabonis' apparent injury played a part in the process, Dumars told ESPN: "It plays a part -- you don't ignore that."

Sabonis was called for a technical foul for clutching onto Green's leg, and Green was delivered a flagrant foul 2 that resulted with an automatic ejection.

"Sabonis was penalized in the game with a technical foul and Golden State gets the free throw," Dumars said. "It wasn't like (Sabonis) didn't get off without any punishment, but we didn't think that rose to the level of excessive and over-the-top, conduct detrimental and repeat offender. That's why you separate those two and deal with one act on the court -- and then another act."
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3641 on: April 19, 2023, 12:18:41 PM »

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I think the Warriors' failure to punish Green for his egregious assault on his teammate pre-season had the consequence of further enabling him to continue his ridiculous antics.   Not the sole cause, but a contributing factor.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3642 on: April 19, 2023, 12:22:40 PM »

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I expect Draymond to get $19-22mil a year on his next deal. Maybe more with the cap increase ($23-25mil per).

Draymond is still a good difference maker out there. Not a top 2/3 player on a team anymore but still a 4th best player on a team type of guy similar to Marcus Smart when Smart became a FA.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3643 on: April 19, 2023, 12:23:41 PM »

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I think the Warriors' failure to punish Green for his egregious assault on his teammate pre-season had the consequence of further enabling him to continue his ridiculous antics.   Not the sole cause, but a contributing factor.

Good point.  I expected that whole incident to affect the team.  They tried to brush it off but even up to this point, I think it did affect the team.  Now this, which as you say, may not have happened if the Poole incident had been handled differently.

It is not going to break my heart to see GSW crash and burn.  SAC is now my new second favorite team for the next week or so.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3644 on: April 19, 2023, 12:24:58 PM »

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I would expect Draymond to get $19-22mil a year on his next deal. Maybe more with the cap increase ($23-25mil per).

I pity the fool that gives him that kind of money.

But we shall see, players almost always end up getting more than I think.