NFL Off-season 2022

[Donoghus]

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
 · 1h
The #Chiefs are signing former #Packers WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to a three-year, $30 million deal with $18 million in the first two years and incentives to reach a maximum of $36 million, his agents @NSAFootball tell @RapSheet and me. 💰💰

[Goldstar88]

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
 · 1h
The #Chiefs are signing former #Packers WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to a three-year, $30 million deal with $18 million in the first two years and incentives to reach a maximum of $36 million, his agents @NSAFootball tell @RapSheet and me. 💰💰

So the Packers are just moving on from all of their WR’s. Lol.

[Celtics2021]

Safe to say KC's "dynasty" cuts short now that Hill is gone and the Chiefs have been exposed throughout the years after their Superbowl win.

AFC West might be Denver's year...look out.

Yep, I've said it religiously over the past year but I've always felt Denver was just a QB away. Solid defense that's getting better/growing, some real weapons on offense and emerging talent, and now they add Russell Wilson in place of Drew Lock (lol) at QB. Massive upgrade. I also think Fangio was a bit overrated as HC and so it might simply be "addition by subtraction" getting rid of him, adding Hackett and also adding a true QB veteran in Wilson.

Denver's my current pick to win the AFC West. But either way, KC isn't going to have it easy in the division anymore. Before it was almost always a guaranteed 5-1 with a loss to the Chargers mixed in, but now it might be tough to even go 4-2 within the division. Even the Raiders have improved a lot.

Denver had Teddy Bridgewater last year.  Obviously not as good as Wilson, but also significantly better than Drew Lock.  They were 7-7 with Teddy while Lock was 0-3.  And to acquire Wilson they give up their stud TE in Fant, a very good DL in Harris, along with 5 draft picks (2 1's, 2 2's, and a 5) and of course Lock.  They got Wilson and a 4 back.  They gave up a lot of draft capital, their leading receiver, their leading pass rusher (most sacks and QB Hits), and a recent 2nd rounder.  They did add Gregory to replace Harris, which is a solid move, but they haven't replaced Fant yet.  Their OL isn't very good and Gordon is entering his 8th year which is a lot of miles on a RB.  Jeudy and Sutton is a fantastic WR duo though.  Denver seems like the clear 3rd or 4th best team in the AFC West.  I don't think they are as good as the Chiefs or Chargers and may not even be as good as the Raiders (who quietly got a lot better).  The AFC West is going to be very tough, but the Chiefs still look like the best team in the division to me.

A few things:

1) There is a pretty vast difference between Russell Wilson and Teddy Bridgewater.  The fact they were 7-7 with Bridgewater should be a sign of the team’s potential with Wilson at the helm.

2) They replaced Fant with Albert Okwuegbunam, who started 6 games last year and had both a higher yards/catch and catch percentage than Fant. Okwuegbunam is entering his third year and wont be a significant downgrade to Fant.

3) Javonte Williams was the 35th pick last year and is the #1 back.  Gordon is gone and is not a big loss.

4) The coaching was awful last year.  Awful.  Pat Shurnur was probably the worst play caller in football, and he was probably only the second worst coordinator on the team (special teams being amazingly bad) for multiple seasons.  The knives are starting to come out for Fangio from the players now that he’s gone.  If Denver gets even average coaching, they will improve.

You’re right on one thing, the offensive line was not good last season.  Hopefully that was in part due to coaching, as otherwise it will be the weak link, as they return most of the starters.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I really like KC's moves. I didn't think Hill was all that reliable. In a tough spot, he didn't get tough catches to move the chains.

I don't think they will miss him as much as people think. I also think Juju and MVS are great additions as replacements. I'd like to see one more possession wr on the outside for them, but that's been a problem for a while.

On top of that, they infuse the roster with draft talent on good contracts.

[gouki88]

I really like KC's moves. I didn't think Hill was all that reliable. In a tough spot, he didn't get tough catches to move the chains.

I don't think they will miss him as much as people think. I also think Juju and MVS are great additions as replacements. I'd like to see one more possession wr on the outside for them, but that's been a problem for a while.

On top of that, they infuse the roster with draft talent on good contracts.

In the last two seasons Hill has more yards and TDs than JuJu and MVS combined.

[Moranis]

I really like KC's moves. I didn't think Hill was all that reliable. In a tough spot, he didn't get tough catches to move the chains.

I don't think they will miss him as much as people think. I also think Juju and MVS are great additions as replacements. I'd like to see one more possession wr on the outside for them, but that's been a problem for a while.

On top of that, they infuse the roster with draft talent on good contracts.

In the last two seasons Hill has more yards and TDs than JuJu and MVS combined.

Yep and it isn't like MVS wasn't receiving passes from the league MVP during the time.  Hill is a loss in the short term, but I do think it will help KC in the long term given they got 5 draft picks including 2 top 50 picks in the upcoming draft.  They should be able to really add to their depth. 

[Roy H.]

What's Green Bay's plan?

There are still a handful of quality receivers, but the list is dwindling.  OBJ, Landry, Beasley, Hilton, Julio Jones... 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I really like KC's moves. I didn't think Hill was all that reliable. In a tough spot, he didn't get tough catches to move the chains.

I don't think they will miss him as much as people think. I also think Juju and MVS are great additions as replacements. I'd like to see one more possession wr on the outside for them, but that's been a problem for a while.

On top of that, they infuse the roster with draft talent on good contracts.

In the last two seasons Hill has more yards and TDs than JuJu and MVS combined.

I predict their offense will be better this year.

[Roy H.]

I really like KC's moves. I didn't think Hill was all that reliable. In a tough spot, he didn't get tough catches to move the chains.

I don't think they will miss him as much as people think. I also think Juju and MVS are great additions as replacements. I'd like to see one more possession wr on the outside for them, but that's been a problem for a while.

On top of that, they infuse the roster with draft talent on good contracts.

In the last two seasons Hill has more yards and TDs than JuJu and MVS combined.

I predict their offense will be better this year.

Yeah?

They've lost their #1, #3 and #4 wide receivers, and their top receiving RB is still a free agent.  That's a combined 225 receptions.

They've replaced that with a couple of guys who were lousy last year:

Valdes-Scandling:  26 receptions, 430 yards, 3 TD

Smith-Schuster: 15 receptions, 129 yards, 0 TD

Obviously, those two suffered from injuries and missed a bunch of games.  But, even when they were playing they weren't particularly productive.

I mean, combine those two into one player and triple their production and you're about at what Tyreek gave them alone.

I understand using 2022 as a bridge year to rebuild with some draft picks in a very deep class for WRs.  But, I don't think they're better in any way.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I really like KC's moves. I didn't think Hill was all that reliable. In a tough spot, he didn't get tough catches to move the chains.

I don't think they will miss him as much as people think. I also think Juju and MVS are great additions as replacements. I'd like to see one more possession wr on the outside for them, but that's been a problem for a while.

On top of that, they infuse the roster with draft talent on good contracts.

In the last two seasons Hill has more yards and TDs than JuJu and MVS combined.

I predict their offense will be better this year.

Yeah?

They've lost their #1, #3 and #4 wide receivers, and their top receiving RB is still a free agent.  That's a combined 225 receptions.

They've replaced that with a couple of guys who were lousy last year:

Valdes-Scandling:  26 receptions, 430 yards, 3 TD

Smith-Schuster: 15 receptions, 129 yards, 0 TD

Obviously, those two suffered from injuries and missed a bunch of games.  But, even when they were playing they weren't particularly productive.

I mean, combine those two into one player and triple their production and you're about at what Tyreek gave them alone.

I understand using 2022 as a bridge year to rebuild with some draft picks in a very deep class for WRs.  But, I don't think they're better in any way.

I feel like people forget how underwhelming the Chiefs' offense was last year.

[SHAQATTACK]

And there it is.  Miami.

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
4m
Chiefs are trading six-time Pro-Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks: a 2022 1st-round pick (No. 29), a 2nd-round pick (No. 50) and a 4th-round pick, as well as 4th- and 6th-round picks in the 2023 draft, sources tell ESPN.

Hill’s contract: 4 years/$120M, $72M guaranteed. Yeesh.

Wow..bad trade for Miami..Tua is not even close to Mahomes so will have trouble getting ball to Hill

I think they know Tua sucks , no matter how many good pieces he has he ll fail ,  and they should try and get a better QB.   I saw a rumor about them wanting to coax Brady to join.

[Moranis]

I really like KC's moves. I didn't think Hill was all that reliable. In a tough spot, he didn't get tough catches to move the chains.

I don't think they will miss him as much as people think. I also think Juju and MVS are great additions as replacements. I'd like to see one more possession wr on the outside for them, but that's been a problem for a while.

On top of that, they infuse the roster with draft talent on good contracts.

In the last two seasons Hill has more yards and TDs than JuJu and MVS combined.

I predict their offense will be better this year.

Yeah?

They've lost their #1, #3 and #4 wide receivers, and their top receiving RB is still a free agent.  That's a combined 225 receptions.

They've replaced that with a couple of guys who were lousy last year:

Valdes-Scandling:  26 receptions, 430 yards, 3 TD

Smith-Schuster: 15 receptions, 129 yards, 0 TD

Obviously, those two suffered from injuries and missed a bunch of games.  But, even when they were playing they weren't particularly productive.

I mean, combine those two into one player and triple their production and you're about at what Tyreek gave them alone.

I understand using 2022 as a bridge year to rebuild with some draft picks in a very deep class for WRs.  But, I don't think they're better in any way.

I feel like people forget how underwhelming the Chiefs' offense was last year.

They had the 3rd most yards.  They had BY FAR the most expected points.  And they turned it over a lot, decreasing possessions.  If they don't turn it over as much, they would have probably been the top offense again. 

[Roy H.]

I really like KC's moves. I didn't think Hill was all that reliable. In a tough spot, he didn't get tough catches to move the chains.

I don't think they will miss him as much as people think. I also think Juju and MVS are great additions as replacements. I'd like to see one more possession wr on the outside for them, but that's been a problem for a while.

On top of that, they infuse the roster with draft talent on good contracts.

In the last two seasons Hill has more yards and TDs than JuJu and MVS combined.

I predict their offense will be better this year.

Yeah?

They've lost their #1, #3 and #4 wide receivers, and their top receiving RB is still a free agent.  That's a combined 225 receptions.

They've replaced that with a couple of guys who were lousy last year:

Valdes-Scandling:  26 receptions, 430 yards, 3 TD

Smith-Schuster: 15 receptions, 129 yards, 0 TD

Obviously, those two suffered from injuries and missed a bunch of games.  But, even when they were playing they weren't particularly productive.

I mean, combine those two into one player and triple their production and you're about at what Tyreek gave them alone.

I understand using 2022 as a bridge year to rebuild with some draft picks in a very deep class for WRs.  But, I don't think they're better in any way.

I feel like people forget how underwhelming the Chiefs' offense was last year.

Even if that's conceded, how does replacing great players with worse players help that offense?

[celticsclay]

Some rumors circulating of Brady possibly going to Miami. Unlikely to be credible, but that would be wild.

[Donoghus]

Some rumors circulating of Brady possibly going to Miami. Unlikely to be credible, but that would be wild.

Jeff Howe, who is pretty reliable, shot those down last night.