NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021

[footey]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

Yeah this is the kind of risk adverse mentality that may convince Tatum and Brown to look elsewhere.

If the Celtics land Beal in free agency, the Jays are not going to care one bit that management decided to go all in for a title in 2022-23 rather than 2021-22.

If for all we know, Beal probably wants to stay in Washington. The Wizards did well getting out of Westbrook's contract.

If the numbers in the other thread are correct, we'd have to clear every single player from our books other than Brown, Tatum, Pritchard and Nesmith, and stash our #1 pick, and we *still* wouldn't have quite enough for a max contract for Beal.

So, it sounds like it's not really in the cards.  All the talk about flexibility, etc., is really about getting the folks to stay invested in the team while Wyc refuses to fund a competitive team.

It's doable, but we'd have to gut our team in the process. What did you expect? We already have one max contract (Tatum) and one close-to max contract (Brown). Of course we'd have to clear the books. That's usually the price you have to pay for a legit big 3. I mean, the Lakers have just 4 guaranteed contracts right now: their big 3 + Gasol. They did it via trade, but they gutted their team anyway.

Btw, Westbrook is a terrible fit on the Lakers! I absolutely loved that trade from a Celtics perspective!

To add Beal, our team would be:

Room exception / Vet min / Vet min
Tatum / Vet min / Vet min
Brown / Nesmith / Vet min
Beal / Vet min / Vet min
Pritchard / Vet min / Vet min

That team isn't contending for a long, long time. 

It seems more sensible to actually build a competitive team around players that other teams might actually want in trade.

Imo, we'd be legit contenders from year one. Having Tatum, Brown and Beal/Kawhi would allow us to attract reliable role players either via free agency of via the buyout market. We'd also have all our future picks intact.

I get why you don't like it, but that doesn't mean that ''it's not really in the cards''.

3 wings none of whom has point guard skills. Not a recipe for a championship IMO.

Both Beal and Tatum have guard skills. Tatum is already our primary ball handler in the half court. Kemba/Smart/Pritchard were bringing the ball up the court, but we were running pretty much everything through Tatum. Our offense is built around Tatum's ability to run the PnR as a 6'8" ball handler.

Harden has point guard skills. Tatum, Brown and Beal not nearly at that level.

[Celtics2021]

According to a league source, negotiations between the Celtics and Evan Fournier are close to stalling, with the team unwilling to meet the valuable wing player’s asking price of $80 million over four years.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/amp/

When the C’s traded for Fournier, wasn’t it understood that he was going to command between 15-$20M/year? He’s 28, so a 4 year deal would ensure that you get him through his prime. It’s going to really suck if he goes to the Knicks For 4/$80M...

It may suck for us, but I find it perfectly reasonable that Fournier demands 80/4.
I expect he will get that elsewhere if the Celtics won't compromise.

I agree, He’s definitely worth $20m/year. C’s shouldn’t have traded for him if they weren’t willing to pay him up to that amount.

I don’t think he gets it, not without the C’s helping with a sign-and-trade.  There just aren’t that many teams with cap space out there.  He’s probably got three suitors — Knicks, Spurs, and us, who could hit that number.  And I don’t know if either the Knicks or Spurs are enough interested/don’t have higher priorities.  Certainly the Knicks might not want to go for a four year deal with next year’s free agency class.

Not sure he ends back up in Boston — seemed like the Richardson trade was made with an idea that he wouldn’t — but I don’t think Fournier gets that asking price.  Could see him getting it for a season with the Knicks, but not 3-4 years.

[Jvalin]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

Yeah this is the kind of risk adverse mentality that may convince Tatum and Brown to look elsewhere.

If the Celtics land Beal in free agency, the Jays are not going to care one bit that management decided to go all in for a title in 2022-23 rather than 2021-22.

If for all we know, Beal probably wants to stay in Washington. The Wizards did well getting out of Westbrook's contract.

If the numbers in the other thread are correct, we'd have to clear every single player from our books other than Brown, Tatum, Pritchard and Nesmith, and stash our #1 pick, and we *still* wouldn't have quite enough for a max contract for Beal.

So, it sounds like it's not really in the cards.  All the talk about flexibility, etc., is really about getting the folks to stay invested in the team while Wyc refuses to fund a competitive team.

It's doable, but we'd have to gut our team in the process. What did you expect? We already have one max contract (Tatum) and one close-to max contract (Brown). Of course we'd have to clear the books. That's usually the price you have to pay for a legit big 3. I mean, the Lakers have just 4 guaranteed contracts right now: their big 3 + Gasol. They did it via trade, but they gutted their team anyway.

Btw, Westbrook is a terrible fit on the Lakers! I absolutely loved that trade from a Celtics perspective!

To add Beal, our team would be:

Room exception / Vet min / Vet min
Tatum / Vet min / Vet min
Brown / Nesmith / Vet min
Beal / Vet min / Vet min
Pritchard / Vet min / Vet min

That team isn't contending for a long, long time. 

It seems more sensible to actually build a competitive team around players that other teams might actually want in trade.

Imo, we'd be legit contenders from year one. Having Tatum, Brown and Beal/Kawhi would allow us to attract reliable role players either via free agency of via the buyout market. We'd also have all our future picks intact.

I get why you don't like it, but that doesn't mean that ''it's not really in the cards''.

3 wings none of whom has point guard skills. Not a recipe for a championship IMO.

Both Beal and Tatum have guard skills. Tatum is already our primary ball handler in the half court. Kemba/Smart/Pritchard were bringing the ball up the court, but we were running pretty much everything through Tatum. Our offense is built around Tatum's ability to run the PnR as a 6'8" ball handler.

Harden has point guard skills. Tatum, Brown and Beal not nearly at that level.

Harden isn't a wing. He's a ball handler/combo guard/name it what you will. Of course he has point guard skills. Tatum is a legit swing at 6'8". Beal is actually shorter than Harden, which is part of the reason why Harden is a superior player. Just because Harden is better, it doesn't mean that Beal has no point guard skills.

Agreed about Brown. To his credit, he has come a long way as a ball handler/passer, but he cannot run the offense.

[Goldstar88]

According to a league source, negotiations between the Celtics and Evan Fournier are close to stalling, with the team unwilling to meet the valuable wing player’s asking price of $80 million over four years.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/amp/

When the C’s traded for Fournier, wasn’t it understood that he was going to command between 15-$20M/year? He’s 28, so a 4 year deal would ensure that you get him through his prime. It’s going to really suck if he goes to the Knicks For 4/$80M...

It may suck for us, but I find it perfectly reasonable that Fournier demands 80/4.
I expect he will get that elsewhere if the Celtics won't compromise.

I agree, He’s definitely worth $20m/year. C’s shouldn’t have traded for him if they weren’t willing to pay him up to that amount.

Stevens wasn't the one who traded for him though. It's his show now, he shouldn't make decisions based on what Ainge did or did not want.

Ownership has to sign off on any trade and Brad was involved with every roster decision.

“We’ve gotten to know Brad over the last eight years and gotten to understand his brilliance,” C’s owner Wyc Grousbeck said, explaining the decision to urge Stevens to interview for GM. “He was at the table with Danny for all of our roster decisions over the last eight years. Brad’s fingerprints and DNA are on this team with putting it together.” https://www.clnsmedia.com/moving-brad-stevens-to-celtics-gm-creates-more-questions-than-answers/

[nickagneta]

To add Beal, our team would be:

Room exception / Vet min / Vet min
Tatum / Vet min / Vet min
Brown / Nesmith / Vet min
Beal / Vet min / Vet min
Pritchard / Vet min / Vet min

That team isn't contending for a long, long time. 

It seems more sensible to actually build a competitive team around players that other teams might actually want in trade.

I'd say it takes about a year based on previous teams who have gutted their rosters. That first year you lack the depth you need to win a title but by that second year you are right there.

You have that room exception MLE type thing, an actual MLE the next year, the LLE, another draft pick and a bunch of veteran minimum contract players looking to latch onto a contender.

So I'd say by year two we should expect a title contender after gutting our team to sign Beal.

Actually, due to having three players making over $94 million, that means the Celtics will never want to get hard capped. Which means only having Bird rights on your own free agent(which they probably won't have many, if any, of), the taxpayer MLE and vet min options as a free agent avenue to make the team better through free agency. A full MLE and the biannual exception(the LLE) hard cap teams, much like sign and trades.Trading vet mins and draft picks will be the easiest way to put competent talent around the team on a fast timeline.

[hpantazo]

According to a league source, negotiations between the Celtics and Evan Fournier are close to stalling, with the team unwilling to meet the valuable wing player’s asking price of $80 million over four years.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/amp/

When the C’s traded for Fournier, wasn’t it understood that he was going to command between 15-$20M/year? He’s 28, so a 4 year deal would ensure that you get him through his prime. It’s going to really suck if he goes to the Knicks For 4/$80M...

It may suck for us, but I find it perfectly reasonable that Fournier demands 80/4.
I expect he will get that elsewhere if the Celtics won't compromise.

I agree, He’s definitely worth $20m/year. C’s shouldn’t have traded for him if they weren’t willing to pay him up to that amount.

Stevens wasn't the one who traded for him though. It's his show now, he shouldn't make decisions based on what Ainge did or did not want.

Ownership has to sign off on any trade and Brad was involved with every roster decision.

“We’ve gotten to know Brad over the last eight years and gotten to understand his brilliance,” C’s owner Wyc Grousbeck said, explaining the decision to urge Stevens to interview for GM. “He was at the table with Danny for all of our roster decisions over the last eight years. Brad’s fingerprints and DNA are on this team with putting it together.” https://www.clnsmedia.com/moving-brad-stevens-to-celtics-gm-creates-more-questions-than-answers/

Nowhere does that say that Brad wanted the Fournier trade. That's standard ownership PR selling the public on their choice for team president. Assuming they trust him as much as they say, then he's got free reign to move on from Fournier as he sees fit. I think most people agree that the last year or two, Ainge did not do a great job putting together a competitive basketball team, and nobody knows that better than Brad. He knows what the issues were and how to fix them.

As long as he doesn't try something crazy like trading Tatum, I don't see ownership getting in his way.

[Emmette Bryant]

So it appears that Daniel Theis is on his way to Boston.

https://twitter.com/JamPackard/status/1421666118758981637

[DefenseWinsChamps]

So it appears that Daniel Theis is on his way to Boston.

https://twitter.com/JamPackard/status/1421666118758981637

Can you post the tweet?

[Sketch5]

So it appears that Daniel Theis is on his way to Boston.

https://twitter.com/JamPackard/status/1421666118758981637

I'd be okay with that.

[Emmette Bryant]

So it appears that Daniel Theis is on his way to Boston.

https://twitter.com/JamPackard/status/1421666118758981637

Can you post the tweet?

Sorry I don't know how to do that.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

So it appears that Daniel Theis is on his way to Boston.

https://twitter.com/JamPackard/status/1421666118758981637

Can you post the tweet?

Sorry I don't know how to do that.

Just copy/paste the actually tweet. Some of us don’t have access to Twitter. There’s a tp in it for you.

[Emmette Bryant]

So it appears that Daniel Theis is on his way to Boston.

https://twitter.com/JamPackard/status/1421666118758981637

Can you post the tweet?

Sorry I don't know how to do that.

Just copy/paste the actually tweet. Some of us don’t have access to Twitter. There’s a tp in it for you.

copy/paste didn't work

I can get copy/paste to work okay, but I can't get it to work on Celticsstrong

[greenhead85]

Josh Richardson for Moses Brown

[SparzWizard]

Per Shams, Celtics expected to show strong interest in signing Avery Bradley

[Ed Monix]

Per Shams, Celtics expected to show strong interest in signing Avery Bradley

I'd love Avery back, was always one of my favourites.

I have read reports that the Lakers are targeting him also, it would be interesting if it's down between us and the Lakers. Perhaps if the money is the same, Avery chooses the most potential playing time.