NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Josh Richardson is a classic expiring contract/chip on his shoulder guy. Maybe it motivates him to earn his next contract and he performs at a high level. If not, he can be the salary ballast for another trade toward the trade deadline.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

The current status is that we have traded Tristan Thompson for Josh Richardson, Kris Dunn, and Bruno Fernando.  There may be some additional news regarding these trades but it does not appear that we have any other players going out.  The result is that all 15 roster spots are currently filled along with 1 of 2 2-way spots.  We eliminated one Center which is good and I guess we did add a PF.  Here is where we stand

Smart        Dunn                 Pritchard
Brown        Richardson        Edwards
Tatum        Nesmith            Langford
Parker        Fernando           GWilliams
Horford      RWilliams           MBrown

Or something like that.  I have Parker starting at PF over Richardson starting at SG but there are of course other variatinos.  Langford or Nesmith could slot in or maybe Bruno Fernando will have a break out year.

The next move has to be for a PF though I would think.  We can still sign and trade Fournier along with other players to get back a currently signed PF (ideal as then no hard cap) or in a double sign and trade (but then hard capped).  We could also target Ball or another PG upgrade, or both.

By my count, we are about $6M under the apron (the potential hard cap value).  So if we bring in a S&T (like Ball) we would have to send out Smart and/or other salary.  If we do a S&T the other way using Fournier, we could bring back say Myles Tuner and be over the apron but not hard capped (not suggesting Tuner, just providing the example).

I like the Thompson for Dunn + Fernando (and save some money) deal, it gives us something for Thompson, but I don't like the Josh Richardson trade/acquisition if it costs us Fournier and we don't get anything back (even a TPE).  I would have rather just signed Fournier.  Fournier may have a deal he likes and does not want Boston, in which case, grabbing Richardson and maybe still getting a TPE is not a terrible outcome.

TP and thanks for the breakdown. Don't we get a 9.25m trade exception as well?

Getting that much for Tristan Thompson is a pretty impressive deal.

[Jvalin]

Smart        Dunn                 Pritchard
Brown        Richardson        Edwards
Tatum        Nesmith            Langford
Parker        Fernando           GWilliams
Horford      RWilliams           MBrown

Or something like that.  I have Parker starting at PF over Richardson starting at SG but there are of course other variatinos.  Langford or Nesmith could slot in or maybe Bruno Fernando will have a break out year.

The next move has to be for a PF though I would think.

No way would I start Jabari alongside the Jays. Why would we want a score-first swing taking shots away from the Jays? He's also a mediocre shooter, hence he can't play off the ball. Imo, he should be coming off the bench. We lack a go-to scorer for our second unit. Jabari fits the bill.

My starting PF would be Tatum. Traditional PFs aren't mobile enough to stay in front of him on the perimeter. This is a massive advantage in our favour, especially since Tatum can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot.

It seems like our plan is to go after a max free agent in 2022. With this in mind, I'd love us to sign and trade Fournier for an expiring contract. Some players that come to mind: Joe Ingles, Robert Covington, Thad Young. Not sure whether the owners would be willing to pay the necessary tax though.

8-man rotation come playoff time
PG: Smart (32) - Pritchard (16)
SG: Brown (12) - JRich (36)
SF: Ingles (24) - Brown (24)
PF: Tatum (36) - Ingles (12)
C: Horford (24) - Timelord (24)

Or something along these lines. We could then go after a max free agent in 2022 (Beal, Kawhi?).

[Vermont Green]

The current status is that we have traded Tristan Thompson for Josh Richardson, Kris Dunn, and Bruno Fernando.  There may be some additional news regarding these trades but it does not appear that we have any other players going out.  The result is that all 15 roster spots are currently filled along with 1 of 2 2-way spots.  We eliminated one Center which is good and I guess we did add a PF.  Here is where we stand

Smart        Dunn                 Pritchard
Brown        Richardson        Edwards
Tatum        Nesmith            Langford
Parker        Fernando           GWilliams
Horford      RWilliams           MBrown

Or something like that.  I have Parker starting at PF over Richardson starting at SG but there are of course other variatinos.  Langford or Nesmith could slot in or maybe Bruno Fernando will have a break out year.

The next move has to be for a PF though I would think.  We can still sign and trade Fournier along with other players to get back a currently signed PF (ideal as then no hard cap) or in a double sign and trade (but then hard capped).  We could also target Ball or another PG upgrade, or both.

By my count, we are about $6M under the apron (the potential hard cap value).  So if we bring in a S&T (like Ball) we would have to send out Smart and/or other salary.  If we do a S&T the other way using Fournier, we could bring back say Myles Tuner and be over the apron but not hard capped (not suggesting Tuner, just providing the example).

I like the Thompson for Dunn + Fernando (and save some money) deal, it gives us something for Thompson, but I don't like the Josh Richardson trade/acquisition if it costs us Fournier and we don't get anything back (even a TPE).  I would have rather just signed Fournier.  Fournier may have a deal he likes and does not want Boston, in which case, grabbing Richardson and maybe still getting a TPE is not a terrible outcome.

TP and thanks for the breakdown. Don't we get a 9.25m trade exception as well?

Getting that much for Tristan Thompson is a pretty impressive deal.

Good question.  We have exemptions available to absorb Dunn and Fernando which would then create one for Thompson.  That is probably how it will go down but I have not see it officially reported as to exactly what TPE we used.

Anyway, in reality, we get Dunn and Fernando for Thompson which I agree, is a pretty good deal with no long term commitments and a decent TPE (assumed) also thrown in for good measure.  A great deal all around.  Keep in mind, we could have just taken Delon Wright instead of Dunn and Fernando so if Wright has a good season in ATL, there will be that narrative to criticize the trade.  Wright would cost us about $2M more.

TBD on Richardson in my opinion.  Right now, we get Richardson at the expense of Fournier likely (although we are not hard capped at the moment so we could sign Fournier if we want to but it would put us well into tax paying).  More is likely to play out so let's see.  Hopefully, we still get something back for Fournier, at least a nice TPE.

[Jvalin]

The current status is that we have traded Tristan Thompson for Josh Richardson, Kris Dunn, and Bruno Fernando.  There may be some additional news regarding these trades but it does not appear that we have any other players going out.  The result is that all 15 roster spots are currently filled along with 1 of 2 2-way spots.  We eliminated one Center which is good and I guess we did add a PF.  Here is where we stand

Smart        Dunn                 Pritchard
Brown        Richardson        Edwards
Tatum        Nesmith            Langford
Parker        Fernando           GWilliams
Horford      RWilliams           MBrown

Or something like that.  I have Parker starting at PF over Richardson starting at SG but there are of course other variatinos.  Langford or Nesmith could slot in or maybe Bruno Fernando will have a break out year.

The next move has to be for a PF though I would think.  We can still sign and trade Fournier along with other players to get back a currently signed PF (ideal as then no hard cap) or in a double sign and trade (but then hard capped).  We could also target Ball or another PG upgrade, or both.

By my count, we are about $6M under the apron (the potential hard cap value).  So if we bring in a S&T (like Ball) we would have to send out Smart and/or other salary.  If we do a S&T the other way using Fournier, we could bring back say Myles Tuner and be over the apron but not hard capped (not suggesting Tuner, just providing the example).

I like the Thompson for Dunn + Fernando (and save some money) deal, it gives us something for Thompson, but I don't like the Josh Richardson trade/acquisition if it costs us Fournier and we don't get anything back (even a TPE).  I would have rather just signed Fournier.  Fournier may have a deal he likes and does not want Boston, in which case, grabbing Richardson and maybe still getting a TPE is not a terrible outcome.

TP and thanks for the breakdown. Don't we get a 9.25m trade exception as well?

Getting that much for Tristan Thompson is a pretty impressive deal.

Good question.  We have exemptions available to absorb Dunn and Fernando which would then create one for Thompson.  That is probably how it will go down but I have not see it officially reported as to exactly what TPE we used.

''Kris Dunn fit into Enes Kanter's $5 million trade exception which was set to expire this weekend. They have now made a $9.2 million exception after sending out Tristan Thompson''.

https://twitter.com/CelticsCLNS/status/1421231409902014464

[DefenseWinsChamps]

The current status is that we have traded Tristan Thompson for Josh Richardson, Kris Dunn, and Bruno Fernando.  There may be some additional news regarding these trades but it does not appear that we have any other players going out.  The result is that all 15 roster spots are currently filled along with 1 of 2 2-way spots.  We eliminated one Center which is good and I guess we did add a PF.  Here is where we stand

Smart        Dunn                 Pritchard
Brown        Richardson        Edwards
Tatum        Nesmith            Langford
Parker        Fernando           GWilliams
Horford      RWilliams           MBrown

Or something like that.  I have Parker starting at PF over Richardson starting at SG but there are of course other variatinos.  Langford or Nesmith could slot in or maybe Bruno Fernando will have a break out year.

The next move has to be for a PF though I would think.  We can still sign and trade Fournier along with other players to get back a currently signed PF (ideal as then no hard cap) or in a double sign and trade (but then hard capped).  We could also target Ball or another PG upgrade, or both.

By my count, we are about $6M under the apron (the potential hard cap value).  So if we bring in a S&T (like Ball) we would have to send out Smart and/or other salary.  If we do a S&T the other way using Fournier, we could bring back say Myles Tuner and be over the apron but not hard capped (not suggesting Tuner, just providing the example).

I like the Thompson for Dunn + Fernando (and save some money) deal, it gives us something for Thompson, but I don't like the Josh Richardson trade/acquisition if it costs us Fournier and we don't get anything back (even a TPE).  I would have rather just signed Fournier.  Fournier may have a deal he likes and does not want Boston, in which case, grabbing Richardson and maybe still getting a TPE is not a terrible outcome.

TP and thanks for the breakdown. Don't we get a 9.25m trade exception as well?

Getting that much for Tristan Thompson is a pretty impressive deal.

Good question.  We have exemptions available to absorb Dunn and Fernando which would then create one for Thompson.  That is probably how it will go down but I have not see it officially reported as to exactly what TPE we used.

''According to a league source, the Celtics will be creating a new trade exception in the deal. They will take Dunn into a $4.7 million trade exception created last season when the Celtics dealt Enes Kanter to the Blazers. Bruno Fernando will also fit into one of Boston’s other exceptions, which allows the Celtics to create a new $9.2 million traded player exception in place of Tristan Thompson’s outgoing salary''.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/07/celtics-trade-tristan-thompson-to-hawks-for-kris-dunn-bruno-fernando-2023-second-round-pick.html

I primarily ask because Kyle Anderson's contract is like 9.4 million or something, and with them drafting a young player at his position, I wondered if they were going to move on, but that exception is not big enough for his contract.

[Vermont Green]

Smart        Dunn                 Pritchard
Brown        Richardson        Edwards
Tatum        Nesmith            Langford
Parker        Fernando           GWilliams
Horford      RWilliams           MBrown

Or something like that.  I have Parker starting at PF over Richardson starting at SG but there are of course other variatinos.  Langford or Nesmith could slot in or maybe Bruno Fernando will have a break out year.

The next move has to be for a PF though I would think.

No way would I start Jabari alongside the Jays. Why would we want a score-first swing taking shots away from the Jays? He's also a mediocre shooter, hence he can't play off the ball. Imo, he should be coming off the bench. We lack a go-to scorer for our second unit. Jabari fits the bill.

My starting PF would be Tatum. Traditional PFs aren't mobile enough to stay in front of him on the perimeter. This is a massive advantage in our favour, especially since Tatum can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot.

It seems like our plan is to go after a max free agent in 2022. With this in mind, I'd love us to sign and trade Fournier for an expiring contract. Some players that come to mind: Joe Ingles, Robert Covington, Thad Young. Not sure whether the owners would be willing to pay the necessary tax though.

8-man rotation come playoff time
PG: Smart (32) - Pritchard (16)
SG: Brown (12) - JRich (36)
SF: Ingles (24) - Brown (24)
PF: Tatum (36) - Ingles (12)
C: Horford (24) - Timelord (24)

Or something along these lines. We could then go after a max free agent in 2022 (Beal, Kawhi?).

I was not trying to predict the starting line up, just putting the players we have now into a framework so it was easier to see what we have.

On Parker, he was principally a starting PF for ATL in 2019-20 and put up 15 pts/6 rebs in 26 min (albeit only 32 games).  He then got injured (again) and traded.  That is probably more than we would get from Ingles, Covington, or Young, or at least in the ball park.  I am not sure if that Jabari Parker still exists, he is only 26 and that was only 1.5 seasons ago so I suspect that the Celtics are hoping that is the Jabari Parker we will get this coming season.  That was certainly not the Jabari Parker we saw at the end of last season.

In any case, I think another move is in the works and the result will be a PF.  If the best we do is Ingles, I am not going to be so excited.  I would rather just give Jabari a run to see if we can get the ATL version of him back.  If not, make a trade along the way.

[Jvalin]

Smart        Dunn                 Pritchard
Brown        Richardson        Edwards
Tatum        Nesmith            Langford
Parker        Fernando           GWilliams
Horford      RWilliams           MBrown

Or something like that.  I have Parker starting at PF over Richardson starting at SG but there are of course other variatinos.  Langford or Nesmith could slot in or maybe Bruno Fernando will have a break out year.

The next move has to be for a PF though I would think.

No way would I start Jabari alongside the Jays. Why would we want a score-first swing taking shots away from the Jays? He's also a mediocre shooter, hence he can't play off the ball. Imo, he should be coming off the bench. We lack a go-to scorer for our second unit. Jabari fits the bill.

My starting PF would be Tatum. Traditional PFs aren't mobile enough to stay in front of him on the perimeter. This is a massive advantage in our favour, especially since Tatum can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot.

It seems like our plan is to go after a max free agent in 2022. With this in mind, I'd love us to sign and trade Fournier for an expiring contract. Some players that come to mind: Joe Ingles, Robert Covington, Thad Young. Not sure whether the owners would be willing to pay the necessary tax though.

8-man rotation come playoff time
PG: Smart (32) - Pritchard (16)
SG: Brown (12) - JRich (36)
SF: Ingles (24) - Brown (24)
PF: Tatum (36) - Ingles (12)
C: Horford (24) - Timelord (24)

Or something along these lines. We could then go after a max free agent in 2022 (Beal, Kawhi?).

I was not trying to predict the starting line up, just putting the players we have now into a framework so it was easier to see what we have.

On Parker, he was principally a starting PF for ATL in 2019-20 and put up 15 pts/6 rebs in 26 min (albeit only 32 games).  He then got injured (again) and traded.  That is probably more than we would get from Ingles, Covington, or Young, or at least in the ball park.  I am not sure if that Jabari Parker still exists, he is only 26 and that was only 1.5 seasons ago so I suspect that the Celtics are hoping that is the Jabari Parker we will get this coming season.  That was certainly not the Jabari Parker we saw at the end of last season.

In any case, I think another move is in the works and the result will be a PF.  If the best we do is Ingles, I am not going to be so excited.  I would rather just give Jabari a run to see if we can get the ATL version of him back.  If not, make a trade along the way.

Couldn't care less about raw box score stats, especially by players on lotto teams. Jabari is a one-dimensional player. He can create his own shot. He cannot create shots for his teammates. He ain't spacing the floor, hence he needs the ball in his hands on offense. He's close to a liability on defense. Gimme Ingles over Jabari all day long. It's not even close. I'd be thrilled if we could somehow get Ingles. He's a terrific 2-way player. He makes everyone around him better. He's happy to play off the ball. I reckon he'd be an amazing fit alongside the Jays.

[#1P4P]

Stevens’ approach is placing an emphasis on defense and cap flexibility.

Acquiring Joe Ingles is a best case scenario. He’s one of the best complementary players at the 4 and he maintains/improves performance during the playoffs. He’s the single best addition that can be made.

Horford
Ingles
Tatum
Brown
Smart

That is a 1 seed this upcoming season and I would be very confident of upsetting the shallow Nets and matchup-friendly Bucks in the playoffs.

Before this past season, the J’s weren’t ready to be the 2 best players on a Championship team, but they are now and if it takes an offer like a Fournier S&T + 2 1sts to get Ingles, you do it. Utah really has to consider an offer like that, but in the event that they’re unwilling to part with him: Justise Winslow, Otto Porter, Kelly Oubre, PJ Tucker, Paul Millsap, Trevor Ariza, and Andre Igoudala, would be flawed, but intriguing additions.

[PAOBoston]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

[Roy H.]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

[PAOBoston]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

Tampering? You’re crazy. No way NBA teams do that.

[Big333223]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

[Cman]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

[Jvalin]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

Question is, what can we get for him? We sacrificed a huge chunk of the TPE for Fournier, plus 2 second-round picks (if not 4, cause we sent Charlotte 2 picks as well). It would suck big time if we just let him walk.

Already posted above that my targets would be Joe Ingles, Robert Covington and Thad Young. DWC mentioned Kyle Anderson. We could also ask for Tyus Jones to make the salaries work. According to rumors, the Grizzlies have made him available in trade talks. Both Anderson and Jones are expirings. The C's could then go after a max free agent in 2022.

Obviously, Fournier would have to be on board with this.