NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021

[RJ87]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

[Rondo9]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

Yeah this is the kind of risk adverse mentality that may convince Tatum and Brown to look elsewhere.

[Rondo9]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1421496906358968331

Heat are interested in Smart.

[hpantazo]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1421496906358968331

Heat are interested in Smart.

Would you trade Smart for Herro?

[liam]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1421496906358968331

Heat are interested in Smart.

Would you trade Smart for Herro?

Smart for Herro and Precious Achiuwa?

[RodyTur10]

According to a league source, negotiations between the Celtics and Evan Fournier are close to stalling, with the team unwilling to meet the valuable wing player’s asking price of $80 million over four years.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/amp/

When the C’s traded for Fournier, wasn’t it understood that he was going to command between 15-$20M/year? He’s 28, so a 4 year deal would ensure that you get him through his prime. It’s going to really suck if he goes to the Knicks For 4/$80M...

It may suck for us, but I find it perfectly reasonable that Fournier demands 80/4.
I expect he will get that elsewhere if the Celtics won't compromise.

[gouki88]

I would really hope we're aggressively asking the question about a Fournier for Ingles S&T. Would also strongly consider Smart for Thad Young (or some other veteran expiring forward) + a pick.

Only really invested in making sure we can trade Fournier

[footey]

According to a league source, negotiations between the Celtics and Evan Fournier are close to stalling, with the team unwilling to meet the valuable wing player’s asking price of $80 million over four years.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/amp/

When the C’s traded for Fournier, wasn’t it understood that he was going to command between 15-$20M/year? He’s 28, so a 4 year deal would ensure that you get him through his prime. It’s going to really suck if he goes to the Knicks For 4/$80M...

It may suck for us, but I find it perfectly reasonable that Fournier demands 80/4.
I expect he will get that elsewhere if the Celtics won't compromise.

Seems to be a market for him.  Enough teams have cleared cap space to make it tenable.  Expecting him to re-sign for $14 mm per based upon his current earnings was wrongheaded. But I understand why we should not commit that much for 4 years.  2 years, sure. But not 4. I don't think cap space next season is that big a deal. 2023 cap space is something to strive for.

[BruceBanner18]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1421496906358968331

Heat are interested in Smart.

Would you trade Smart for Herro?

I proposed Smart, TT for Dragic, Herro a couple months ago. I'd slightly alter now and suggest Smart, Langford, Dunn for Dragic, Herro.

Dragic is a the vet PG we need. Herro could be a premo trade chip if/when he bounces back. Also, we can still offer a max next summer and keep Herro.

[nickagneta]

If Fournier doesn't re-sign and the Celtics open up cap space for a major free agent next off-season, it's incumbent upon Ime Udoka to develop the youth next year. You gotta play Langford, Nesmith, Timelord, Grant and Pritchard lots and lots of minutes to to try to develop into something worth keeping around the 3 stars. Especially since they are on cheap contracts.

[nickagneta]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

Yeah this is the kind of risk adverse mentality that may convince Tatum and Brown to look elsewhere.

If the Celtics land Beal in free agency, the Jays are not going to care one bit that management decided to go all in for a title in 2022-23 rather than 2021-22.

[Rondo9]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

Yeah this is the kind of risk adverse mentality that may convince Tatum and Brown to look elsewhere.

If the Celtics land Beal in free agency, the Jays are not going to care one bit that management decided to go all in for a title in 2022-23 rather than 2021-22.

If for all we know, Beal probably wants to stay in Washington. The Wizards did well getting out of Westbrook's contract.

[Roy H.]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

Yeah this is the kind of risk adverse mentality that may convince Tatum and Brown to look elsewhere.

If the Celtics land Beal in free agency, the Jays are not going to care one bit that management decided to go all in for a title in 2022-23 rather than 2021-22.

If for all we know, Beal probably wants to stay in Washington. The Wizards did well getting out of Westbrook's contract.

If the numbers in the other thread are correct, we'd have to clear every single player from our books other than Brown, Tatum, Pritchard and Nesmith, and stash our #1 pick, and we *still* wouldn't have quite enough for a max contract for Beal.

So, it sounds like it's not really in the cards.  All the talk about flexibility, etc., is really about getting the folks to stay invested in the team while Wyc refuses to fund a competitive team.

[Rondo9]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

Yeah this is the kind of risk adverse mentality that may convince Tatum and Brown to look elsewhere.

If the Celtics land Beal in free agency, the Jays are not going to care one bit that management decided to go all in for a title in 2022-23 rather than 2021-22.

If for all we know, Beal probably wants to stay in Washington. The Wizards did well getting out of Westbrook's contract.

If the numbers in the other thread are correct, we'd have to clear every single player from our books other than Brown, Tatum, Pritchard and Nesmith, and stash our #1 pick, and we *still* wouldn't have quite enough for a max contract for Beal.

So, it sounds like it's not really in the cards.  All the talk about flexibility, etc., is really about getting the folks to stay invested in the team while Wyc refuses to fund a competitive team.

And that'll cause Tatum and Brown to leave if that's the case.

[Celtics2021]

Fournier is not coming back based off the latest and greatest. Just awful.

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1421538433042898946?s=21

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/31/0731-bh-s-fournier/

Yep.  Funny how Boston and NY are both in active negotiations despite the anti-tampering period.

$20 mil a year is a lot but wouldn't the C's still have to do that deal rather than let him walk for nothing?

Not necessarily. Part of what the Cs have been doing with all these moves is get rid of players who are too expensive and create financial flexibility going forward (Dunn and Richardson have expiring contracts).

Flexibilty is great but the team is worse this year.

At this point, we should just trade Smart for a matching expiring contract and a future 1st. If we are going to let him go anyway, it would be nice to add a future pick. It’s not like we are trying to climb the standings next season.

If that's true it's just another wasted years off Brown and Tatum's prime. 

Brown and Tatum are still 2 years or so from entering their prime, at a minimum.

Heck, it can be argued that Giannis Antetokounmpo still hasn't reached his prime at 26 years old. Most consider NBA stars in their prime between the ages of 27 and 32.

But we should be trying to be competitive though, no? Another season of
.500 ball because the pieces around them are not very good just makes me queasy.

The team should at least be making a case as to why they should spend their primes in Boston. So far the message is ownership is willing to build around them, but not if it means they have to spend money.

Yeah this is the kind of risk adverse mentality that may convince Tatum and Brown to look elsewhere.

If the Celtics land Beal in free agency, the Jays are not going to care one bit that management decided to go all in for a title in 2022-23 rather than 2021-22.

If for all we know, Beal probably wants to stay in Washington. The Wizards did well getting out of Westbrook's contract.

If the numbers in the other thread are correct, we'd have to clear every single player from our books other than Brown, Tatum, Pritchard and Nesmith, and stash our #1 pick, and we *still* wouldn't have quite enough for a max contract for Beal.

So, it sounds like it's not really in the cards.  All the talk about flexibility, etc., is really about getting the folks to stay invested in the team while Wyc refuses to fund a competitive team.

Yep.  I’ve said since we traded Kemba that the only real path to Beal is via a trade, sign-and-trade or the regular variety.  Cap space is likely not an option.  The best hope is that there might be a tad more space, because the cap could jump a bit next year if attendance rebounds, up to $~123 million, but with Delta that’s not a given.