Ainge is a Moron

[Celtics4ever]

Just imagine Larry Bird being offered the same option --Danny has said he disagreed with Red and would have shipped Larry Bird--that is just beyond my sense of what the Celtics stand for.

Larry Bird started here and won a few more titles.  Pierce has been more productive over the course of his career.  But I do not think he is or was as big as a star as Larry.

The 90's and most of the early 2000's Celtic teams were a joke.  There were some proud moments here and there but nothing like the 60's, 70's, 80's or late 2000's teams.   There were many dark years then precisely because we held on to guys too long.   This is a business, not a friendship club or the like.   To succeed in a business you have to have a good business model or change with the times.   The business model of the Celtics, letting guys retire didn't work after Larry.   With free agency things have changed.

Part of me, hates this happening.   But I would rather have us be a non factor for three years instead of ten.  Ainge brought us back from the abyss, if he thinks this is best, I trust a heck of a lot more than some buddy posting on a blog just because they have sentimental feelings about a player.   

Emotionally your decision is a sound one from the heart but it is an emotional decision at the core.   Business wise, it's a fool's folly and not logic nor based entirely in reason.  Much of our tradition has changed under Ainge.   We have dancers now and different uniforms.   

Had we not traded beloved guys we watch mature and grow up on the court, we would not have won in 08.   There were some Peeps who were mad when we traded Al Jefferson and the lads.   I was psyched because we got better.   This trade will put us in a better place than two more years of mediocrity and bad draft picks.   We will blow next year but have a chance on a megastar.  Most NBA teams grow through the draft.   MIA would not have got James without Wade.  PP was instrumental in bringing us titles.   Spurs have drafted well.  Only LA seems not to draft their stars all time but they have the draw of Hollywood.

This is our best chance going forward.  Running it back will go nowhere.   We are not the Spurs.  It is not even close, they have guys like Green that are owning that they got on the cheap.

[freshinthehouse]

Ainge was hired on May 9 2003.  He took over an incredible flawed team that hadn't been relevant since 1988.  We're talking 15 years of either being terrible or mediocre.  11 straight years of not even winning 50 games.  A down in the dumps franchise based around obscenely overrated Antoine Walker and Paul Pierce.   

On July 31, 2007... we officially became contenders by trading for Kevin Garnett.

Ainge stepped into Boston and in just over 4 years turned this down-in-the-dumps irrelevant franchise into a champion.

It was always seen as a short window.  I believe we were only really fully contenders for 3.5 years, but some like to imagine we remained contenders up until 2012... some are still crazy enough to believe the team is STILL a contender.    Ainge, understanding that time was limited on the contender he put together, has been searching for ways to extend the window as far back as 2009 when he aggressively shopped Ray Allen.  We've come very close to trading Ray and Pierce (and Rondo) several times over the past few years.  And although Ainge turned over every possible stone imaginable, the deals he had an opportunity to move weren't best for the long-term health of this franchise.  He either couldn't find a taker for Pierce or couldn't get enough value making it worth trading him.

Every single move he has made is defensible.  ANyone who thinks he deserves to be fired is a Grade-A idiot.     He's easily one of the best GM's in the league.  Any team in the league would pay craploads of money to bring a visionary like Danny Ainge to lead their down-in-the-dumps franchise to relevancy.   Show some respect.  Man was born to do this.

TP.  Well said.

[feckless]

Just imagine Larry Bird being offered the same option --Danny has said he disagreed with Red and would have shipped Larry Bird--that is just beyond my sense of what the Celtics stand for.

Larry Bird started here and won a few more titles.  Pierce has been more productive over the course of his career.  But I do not think he is or was as big as a star as Larry.

The 90's and most of the early 2000's Celtic teams were a joke.  There were some proud moments here and there but nothing like the 60's, 70's, 80's or late 2000's teams.   There were many dark years then precisely because we held on to guys too long.   This is a business, not a friendship club or the like.   To succeed in a business you have to have a good business model or change with the times.   The business model of the Celtics, letting guys retire didn't work after Larry.   With free agency things have changed.

Part of me, hates this happening.   But I would rather have us be a non factor for three years instead of ten.  Ainge brought us back from the abyss, if he thinks this is best, I trust a heck of a lot more than some buddy posting on a blog just because they have sentimental feelings about a player.   

Emotionally your decision is a sound one from the heart but it is an emotional decision at the core.   Business wise, it's a fool's folly and not logic nor based entirely in reason.  Much of our tradition has changed under Ainge.   We have dancers now and different uniforms.   

Had we not traded beloved guys we watch mature and grow up on the court, we would not have won in 08.   There were some Peeps who were mad when we traded Al Jefferson and the lads.   I was psyched because we got better.   This trade will put us in a better place than two more years of mediocrity and bad draft picks.   We will blow next year but have a chance on a megastar.  Most NBA teams grow through the draft.   MIA would not have got James without Wade.  PP was instrumental in bringing us titles.   Spurs have drafted well.  Only LA seems not to draft their stars all time but they have the draw of Hollywood.

This is our best chance going forward.  Running it back will go nowhere.   We are not the Spurs.  It is not even close, they have guys like Green that are owning that they got on the cheap.

Being a fan is emotional.  Supporting a team is emotional, being loyal is emotional...I do not cheer for a business.  I do not support a team because they are good at business.  You do not win with players that are in it only for the money.  There are connections, commitments loyalties, traditions, friendships and bonds that are needed to win a championship.  Danny has stomped on all of those with his treatment of Paul, Doc and with KG, what loyalties are left are tainted by the sense that to Danny Ainge the Captain of this team, a player who more than earned the right to be in the rafters  was denied the right to retire a Celtic because Danny decided it was time to kick his Captain out the door for the slightly enhanced possibility that we might be better 4 years from now than if he waited another year and showed the respect a decent human being would.  And the Spurs had this same choice stayed the course and are better off for it.

[chambers]

Ainge was hired on May 9 2003.  He took over an incredible flawed team that hadn't been relevant since 1988.  We're talking 15 years of either being terrible or mediocre.  11 straight years of not even winning 50 games.  A down in the dumps franchise based around obscenely overrated Antoine Walker and Paul Pierce.   

On July 31, 2007... we officially became contenders by trading for Kevin Garnett.

Ainge stepped into Boston and in just over 4 years turned this down-in-the-dumps irrelevant franchise into a champion.

It was always seen as a short window.  I believe we were only really fully contenders for 3.5 years, but some like to imagine we remained contenders up until 2012... some are still crazy enough to believe the team is STILL a contender.    Ainge, understanding that time was limited on the contender he put together, has been searching for ways to extend the window as far back as 2009 when he aggressively shopped Ray Allen.  We've come very close to trading Ray and Pierce (and Rondo) several times over the past few years.  And although Ainge turned over every possible stone imaginable, the deals he had an opportunity to move weren't best for the long-term health of this franchise.  He either couldn't find a taker for Pierce or couldn't get enough value making it worth trading him.

Every single move he has made is defensible.  ANyone who thinks he deserves to be fired is a Grade-A idiot.     He's easily one of the best GM's in the league.  Any team in the league would pay craploads of money to bring a visionary like Danny Ainge to lead their down-in-the-dumps franchise to relevancy.   Show some respect.  Man was born to do this.

Quoted for truth.
TP.
Take a look at the bigger picture. Guy has more heart and passion for the Celtics than any human being. He is the Celtics.

By Truth do you mean Paul Pierce because if you mean Danny Ainge you do know he was traded by the Celtics, played for 3 other teams and coached Phoenix for 4 or 5 years.  He is the Celtics did you mean Tommy Heinsohn--just unclear and does not to anyone describe danny ainge.

He LOVES this team and without him theres no title in 2008. He bought the pick for Rondo on draft night. Drafted Al Jeff, Delonte, Gerald Green, Jeff Green which ultimately turned into Ray and KG.
You remember when Pierce threatened to leave because he didnt want to lose anymore?
Danny got him help with nothing in the top 10 picks other than Jeff Green. Big Al was the 15th pick and thats as good as it gets. He dumped Perkins at the perfect time for Green, then found out about the heart stuff. THEN he signed Green to 9 million per year which is looking like a very good value deal. Just watch DeAndre Jordans trade value go up over 2 years playing with Rondo. Ainge has amazing vision for the future.
He always made it clear he puts the name on the front before the names on the back. The players know this. Pierce and KG now get a shot at a title. Hes sending them off to a decent team...i mean how perfect can it be fir them as 36 and 37 year old vets?
Youre delusional if you think hes been anything other than EXCELLENT over his Celtics GM tenure.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Ainge is a backstabbing, bloodsucking, disloyal, maggot of a moron.  When you think of the Celtics you think of those who are the legends coming and playing and winning for life. Coming back to be part of the organization. Think of the names: Russell, Cousy, Havlicek, Heinsohn, White, Bird McHale DJ-- think of the rafters. Danny is doing all this because KG and Doc object to Danny's  plan to backstab PP who is more of a Celtic and has more of a connection to the C's than Danny Ainge.

You're off your rocker kid

I am not a kid I have been a fan a lot longer than you. And I have no problem with what Ainge has done until now.  But he still is disrespecting what Paul Pierce has meant to the Celtics.  And PP has menat more to the Celtics than any of Danny's contributions. Ainge lives in a world where loyalty means nothing.  As a fan having seen Bill Russell play out his career as a player coach and Champion.  Seeing the commitment and loyalty Red had in his players.  Seeing Bird struggle with pain and injuries but having the Celtics reward his hard work and commitment by letting Larry finish on his terms-- Paul has earned the reward that Danny in his mercenary, heartless approach is denying him.

Beautiful. New TPs coming your way every day, till we are contenders again.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Just imagine Larry Bird being offered the same option --Danny has said he disagreed with Red and would have shipped Larry Bird--that is just beyond my sense of what the Celtics stand for.

Larry Bird started here and won a few more titles.  Pierce has been more productive over the course of his career.  But I do not think he is or was as big as a star as Larry.

The 90's and most of the early 2000's Celtic teams were a joke.  There were some proud moments here and there but nothing like the 60's, 70's, 80's or late 2000's teams.   There were many dark years then precisely because we held on to guys too long.   This is a business, not a friendship club or the like.   To succeed in a business you have to have a good business model or change with the times.   The business model of the Celtics, letting guys retire didn't work after Larry.   With free agency things have changed.

Part of me, hates this happening.   But I would rather have us be a non factor for three years instead of ten.  Ainge brought us back from the abyss, if he thinks this is best, I trust a heck of a lot more than some buddy posting on a blog just because they have sentimental feelings about a player.   

Emotionally your decision is a sound one from the heart but it is an emotional decision at the core.   Business wise, it's a fool's folly and not logic nor based entirely in reason.  Much of our tradition has changed under Ainge.   We have dancers now and different uniforms.   

Had we not traded beloved guys we watch mature and grow up on the court, we would not have won in 08.   There were some Peeps who were mad when we traded Al Jefferson and the lads.   I was psyched because we got better.   This trade will put us in a better place than two more years of mediocrity and bad draft picks.   We will blow next year but have a chance on a megastar.  Most NBA teams grow through the draft.   MIA would not have got James without Wade.  PP was instrumental in bringing us titles.   Spurs have drafted well.  Only LA seems not to draft their stars all time but they have the draw of Hollywood.

This is our best chance going forward.  Running it back will go nowhere.   We are not the Spurs.  It is not even close, they have guys like Green that are owning that they got on the cheap.

Being a fan is emotional.  Supporting a team is emotional, being loyal is emotional...I do not cheer for a business.  I do not support a team because they are good at business.  You do not win with players that are in it only for the money.  There are connections, commitments loyalties, traditions, friendships and bonds that are needed to win a championship.  Danny has stomped on all of those with his treatment of Paul, Doc and with KG, what loyalties are left are tainted by the sense that to Danny Ainge the Captain of this team, a player who more than earned the right to be in the rafters  was denied the right to retire a Celtic because Danny decided it was time to kick his Captain out the door for the slightly enhanced possibility that we might be better 4 years from now than if he waited another year and showed the respect a decent human being would.  And the Spurs had this same choice stayed the course and are better off for it.

Again, completely agree. What is this strict "business" talk that is always floating around? Sports are emotional, especially from the perspective of an avid fan. And any good "business" is managed with acumen, respect and loyalty.

Everyone acknowledges that FAs don't want to come to Boston. Well, why are we making it harder for them? Ainge may be competent, but he was handed a championship... his track record otherwise screams "average," and he has no idea what "business" is all about. As a supervisor, do you believe openly displaying a lack of trust, confidence and loyalty for your employees improves their productivity? I'd doubt it, and imagine they're wishing for a new home - where they are appreciated - as aggressively as you're shopping them.

Please stop saying he's great. McHale was a great friend. Ainge is not a great GM. He is average, and his stock falls every year that he continues to dangle his entire roster at every trade deadline.

[D.o.s.]

Ainge is a backstabbing, bloodsucking, disloyal, maggot of a moron.  When you think of the Celtics you think of those who are the legends coming and playing and winning for life. Coming back to be part of the organization. Think of the names: Russell, Cousy, Havlicek, Heinsohn, White, Bird McHale DJ-- think of the rafters. Danny is doing all this because KG and Doc object to Danny's  plan to backstab PP who is more of a Celtic and has more of a connection to the C's than Danny Ainge.

You're off your rocker kid

I am not a kid I have been a fan a lot longer than you. And I have no problem with what Ainge has done until now.  But he still is disrespecting what Paul Pierce has meant to the Celtics.  And PP has menat more to the Celtics than any of Danny's contributions.  Ainge lives in a world where loyalty means nothing.  As a fan having seen Bill Russell play out his career as a player coach and Champion.  Seeing the commitment and loyalty Red had in his players.  Seeing Bird struggle with pain and injuries but having the Celtics reward his hard work and commitment by letting Larry finish on his terms-- Paul has earned the reward that Danny in his mercenary, heartless approach is denying him.

So, first hand, what was it like being amongst all those fans that made Bill Russell so utterly indifferent to the city of Boston for all those years?

Genuine curiosity, no sarcasm. I agree with you--I'd like Pierce to retire as a Celtic, if he doesn't want to play for another team.

[LB3533]

PP to Cavs for two 2nd rounders.....Ainge is a moron if he takes that deal.

[Sketch5]

PP to Cavs for two 2nd rounders.....Ainge is a moron if he takes that deal.

Not if he got the TE with that. That extra money brings in a Smith or Millsap.

So pretty much you trade for those two and two pics...That's not bad. And if he an move the two pics and their own for a higher pic, thats even better. Or just roll the dice with three pics. If one sticks, good. If two, wow, great!

[CelticConcourse]

Why the fierce language. Love and love.

[Sully7]

PP to Cavs for two 2nd rounders.....Ainge is a moron if he takes that deal.

Not if he got the TE with that. That extra money brings in a Smith or Millsap.

So pretty much you trade for those two and two pics...That's not bad. And if he an move the two pics and their own for a higher pic, thats even better. Or just roll the dice with three pics. If one sticks, good. If two, wow, great!

If he can free up 15mil and get two picks I would say he's a genius.  I would rather a 3 year rebuild to a decade long one anytime.

[thirstyboots18]

PP to Cavs for two 2nd rounders.....Ainge is a moron if he takes that deal.

I don't think Ainge is a moron.  He is proving to be incompetent, though...

[LB3533]

PP to Cavs for two 2nd rounders.....Ainge is a moron if he takes that deal.

Not if he got the TE with that. That extra money brings in a Smith or Millsap.

So pretty much you trade for those two and two pics...That's not bad. And if he an move the two pics and their own for a higher pic, thats even better. Or just roll the dice with three pics. If one sticks, good. If two, wow, great!

How you know?

Are you either players' sports agent?