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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2018, 05:33:45 PM »

Offline Moranis

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You guys are crazy. Towns is one of the 15 best players on the world 3 years into his career.  He is one of the best offensive players in all of basketball.  His shooting is incredible.  He is an excellent rebounder and credible passer.  His defense needs work but he has the skill level to be at least passable if not better (and I do think the fact he plays with so many poor defenders makes him seem worse than he actually is).  Jaylen Brown if everything goes right will be lucky to be as good as Towns is right now.
Disagree with that, but you don't seem to like Brown.  Towns is an elite talent offensively and won the Skills competition a few years ago, but he hasn't made Minny much better.  Why?  Yes, if you are top-15 then you make any team better.
He was 3rd Team All NBA last year.  That makes him one of the 15 best players and it is hard to argue his inclusion was a fluke (like say IT4's 2nd Team was) since he has gotten better each season.  The Wolves were 13.5 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor then when he was off the floor (his +- with him on the floor was 6.2).  That is pretty much the definition of making your team better.
And yet, with Jimmy Butler for 59 games (roughly the same as Kyrie, except he played in the playoffs),  Wiggins, Teague, Dieng, Taj Gibson and Jamal Crawford, they won 8 less games than the C's and Towns offense deteriorated in the playoffs. Capela neutralized him, and Houston had little trouble taking them out.

On the other hand, despite a difficult injury, Jaylen stepped up considerably in the playoffs and found a way to be the best player on the floor in several games. There was no comparison between the two teams in terms of competitiveness and performance.
Houston was the best team in basketball last year.  The comparison between them and the teams the C's played is just silly.  The C's are in the East, the Wolves are in the West again making a team win comparison silly (though Boston was 16-2 to start the year while it took the Wolves some time to find their groove with all their new players starting the year just 14-11).  12 games over .500 and just the 8th seed.  Comparing teams like that is just silly. 

And Towns still had a TS% of 54.2 against the Rockets.  He scored 15.2 ppg on just 12 shots (wasn't very good from 3 but had just 11 attempts) and managed a "terrible" 13.4 rpg in the series.  The Wolves tried to play the Rockets game and they just aren't as good as the Rockets.  That was flat out a poor coaching job from Thibs.
Dude, can you quit with the "silly" crap? You can disagree, and you can point out counter arguments. That's good enough.

Houston was a lot better than the teams the C's played. I didn't say they were equal. But Minnesota did play, and they were disappointing. I pointed out that Towns did not step up, and did not play up to his normal level in the playoffs.

I did compare the C's to the Timberwolves. I do contend we were considerably better, and that raw talent was not the reason. We played harder, smarter and with more poise. Towns is the centerpiece of that team. Brown was a leader of the C's playoff surge. I think it speaks to a difference in the toughness and competitiveness of the two players.
and yet in the Celtics biggest game of the year, Brown was downright terrible.  13 points on 18 shots.  -11 in a game the C's lost by 8.  Embarrassed on their home floor in a winner take all game. 

Towns first two games were bad offensively (though game 2 they got crushed and he only played like 23 minutes).  Those of course were his first 2 playoff games ever.  Games 3-5 were much better.  18/16 in the win (13 shots) and then the last 2 were 22/15 (15 shots) and 23/14 (14 shots).  Those final 2 games he shot 60% or better. 
Brown was not the only player laying bricks that game.  You're coming across as though the failure to win that game was all on him which it was not.  C's got that far into the playoffs thanks to Brown having some stellar games which are being ignored in your commentary.
No I was commenting on the toughness and competitiveness part of his statement and pointed out, correctly, that when Boston needed Brown the most in the biggest game of the year, he was awful.  He certainly wasn't the only awful player in that game, but he was in fact awful.  Where was Brown's toughness and competitiveness in that game?  I mean he used 2 bad playoff games against Towns, why isn't it also fair to use bad games against Brown?  That is why his argument is silly.  He based it on a very small sample size against vastly different competition.

At the end of the day, Towns had a top 10 or 15 season in the league in his 3rd year at the age of 22.  Brown has one less year, but he was no where near a top 15 player in the league and Towns had a significantly better 2nd year than Brown did as well (so it is reasonably to assume that Brown's 3rd year won't be as good as Towns' 3rd year).

Brown has a chance to be a very good, borderline great, player, in a very similar mold to that of Paul Pierce.  Towns, though, has a chance to be a special player.  A top 3 player in the league type player.  An all time great offensive player that could be one of the greatest all around offensive players ever.  He is just on a different tier than Brown is.   
Had to toss another silly in there, didn't you. Lame.

Neither player has any cap on what they can become. Both players can level off at any time and both can become MVPs.

Towns has eye-popping offensive numbers. His downside is that his position is increasingly devalued in the modern game, and this is particularly stark because he is a below average defender. He does not impose himself on the game in the way you want a superstar to do. There is no getting around the fact that his awesome offensive game has not made anyone fear the Timberwolves. The alpha dog on Minnesota immediately became Jimmy Butler. No one sees Towns as his equal, despite his amazing talent.

You cite his bad games and Brown's bad game. Brown came out and tried to win. He took the 18 shots and the responsibility and they didn't go in. Towns, on the other hand, took less than 10 shots in each of the first two playoff games. He shrunk from the moment.

In traditional terms, it is obvious to prefer Towns. But the NBA has fundamentally changed. A guy like Brown, who probably will make multiple all-NBA defensive teams, is the best athlete on the team, is a leader, and has proven he has the talent to average over 20 PPG - that is not a player you give up. If we win the title, it will be because it will be overwhelming to play against 3 wings that are so big, athletic and two dimensional. The soul of this team will be the trio of Brown, Tatum and Hayward. There will be no compromise anywhere on the court.

Unless Towns changed fairly fundamentally, we'd be a team that would kill lesser teams but have big problems against GS and Houston.
His 9 shots in game 2 were in under 24 minutes.  He only played 24 minutes because they got whooped because they played the best team in basketball.  Let's not pretend he wasn't shooting at his normal clip, because he absolutely was.  His first playoff game ever he didn't shoot many or well.  No question about that.  He didn't shoot well in his 2nd game, but was shooting at his normal rate.  His final 3 playoff games were all pretty darn good though.  And I wouldn't exactly be bragging about a 5 of 18 performance.  Maybe if Brown shot less, Boston wins that game.  Brown isn't Irving or Carmelo or someone that can just get hot and take over offensively.  That isn't his game.  He was off and he didn't have the sense to stop shooting the ball (same with Smart and Rozier, but no one ever expects either of them to play with sense).  Brown faded and failed in the biggest game of the year.  He didn't step up in the moment.  This was not a guy in his first playoff game ever.  This was not a guy that hadn't been in that situation.  He just failed.  Period.

And for the record, Towns outplayed Butler in the Houston series.  He was Minnesota's best and most consistent player overall.  Even in game 2, Towns outperformed Butler.

So is laying 2 eggs in 5 games (Towns) the same thing as laying 1 egg in 19 (Brown) numerically, Moranis?
Brown laid a lot more than 1 egg, but good job on reading comprehension and context.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2018, 05:55:28 PM »

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The only player from Minnesota in whom we should have any interest, imo, is Justin Patton, so yeah, no, lol. Towns is an awful defensive player and doesn't seem to have that needed fire, so to speak, but I'm weird. :-\
Towns does have NBA quality skills though. In fact, heís a very good rebounder and one of the best scoring big men in the league, and is only 22. Meanwhile Patton hasnít exhibited anything of note

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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2018, 07:32:14 PM »

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The only player from Minnesota in whom we should have any interest, imo, is Justin Patton, so yeah, no, lol. Towns is an awful defensive player and doesn't seem to have that needed fire, so to speak, but I'm weird. :-\
Towns does have NBA quality skills though. In fact, heís a very good rebounder and one of the best scoring big men in the league, and is only 22. Meanwhile Patton hasnít exhibited anything of note

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Minnesotaís 2017 first-round draft pick Justin Patton has suffered another broken foot, this time in his right foot, league sources tell me and @JonKrawczynski.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1041080938577444864?s=21
Shocking luck, but I can't say it's surprising. Big men with feet issues are shockingly risky. It took Brook Lopez basically 2 separate years off, and Zydrunas played 29 games in 3 seasons for foot injuries too
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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2018, 09:55:26 PM »

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Do not trade brown

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2018, 01:49:13 AM »

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Jaylen + SAC pick + whatever for KAT? Yes.

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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2018, 07:01:14 PM »

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I originally voted Yes, but not anymore with all this Butler drama lol

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2018, 07:15:42 PM »

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I originally voted Yes, but not anymore with all this Butler drama lol
Yeah, my maybe is turning into a no. Maybe he becomes available for cheap ;) (not that I think that is even close to being likely)
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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2018, 06:28:39 AM »

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How about Irving + Yabusele + Kings' pick for Towns + Gibson?
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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #53 on: October 19, 2018, 04:28:47 PM »

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I think Jaylen is going to be a late bloomer. We'd regret letting him go.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #54 on: October 19, 2018, 05:05:31 PM »

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I think Jaylen is going to be a late bloomer. We'd regret letting him go.

His professional attitude , work ethic and driven to win is alone reason to keep him.   I never dreamed he d shoot this well so soon.  Trading him or Tatum is a huge mistake .   

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2018, 05:11:57 PM »

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I think Jaylen is going to be a late bloomer. We'd regret letting him go.

Heís only 21 (for another week) and already really good. If heís a late bloomer, heís gonna be an MVP-candidate.
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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2018, 10:47:57 AM »

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After watching JB the 1st 2 games - hell yes.  He is the weakest near the basket player I can ever remember.  Does this kid know how to make a layup?  He can't take a hit and make one if his life depended on it.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2018, 12:32:55 PM »

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After watching JB the 1st 2 games - hell yes.  He is the weakest near the basket player I can ever remember.  Does this kid know how to make a layup?  He can't take a hit and make one if his life depended on it.

And yet he was arguably the best player on the Celtics during the Playoffs.
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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2018, 12:45:28 PM »

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After watching JB the 1st 2 games - hell yes.  He is the weakest near the basket player I can ever remember.  Does this kid know how to make a layup?  He can't take a hit and make one if his life depended on it.

Heís shot over 60% within 3 feet for his career, which isnít overly good, but itís not anything like this.  The past two games were a fluke.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #59 on: October 20, 2018, 01:17:20 PM »

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After watching JB the 1st 2 games - hell yes.  He is the weakest near the basket player I can ever remember.  Does this kid know how to make a layup?  He can't take a hit and make one if his life depended on it.

And yet he was arguably the best player on the Celtics during the Playoffs.
It's AL and Tatum and it's not close lol

 

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